Jun 26 2007
GOP Meltdown
I was not going to do this again, go into the fevered swamps of the Amnesty Hypochondriacs and expose some of the anger that is destroying the GOP. But of course it is necessary to expose what too many who oppose the immigration bill believe about America and Americans on this subject:
Post the list of traitors.
We’ll pull together the list of their corporate sponsors (because I can’t think of who else pushed them to vote for it) and start a boycott.
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get the roll call.
Let’s crack some heads.
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And with that, I leave the GOP.
Goodbye, guys.…
This Is Fargin’ War!
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Can you say United States of Mexico! Courtesy of our RINOS and RATS! I saw the soccer game between the USA and Mexico from Chicago and the stadium was filled with folk loyal to the RED, WHITE and GREEN…chants for Mexico drowned the USA chants…imagine that in our own land….USM!
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Treason.
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Prez. Bush needs horse-whipping.
It goes on for pages and pages. The Amnesty Hypochondriacs failed to convince enough people that their scary fantasies were legitimate. Only 24 out of 49 GOP voted to kill the bill. As I have been saying, the GOP is split on this issue. But the far right is clearly unhinged and more than willing to attack anyone and everyone who disagrees with them. They are a 25% minority who like to pretend the are 75%. Clearly they are not. Or else the vote (and the polls) would show the opposite of what they did.
People who whom “compromise” is a dirty word eventually find themselves marginalized and irrelevant. I can see more good things in this bill than bad things. And allowing those that are here, gainfully employed, and have stayed out of trouble to remain isn’t a bad thing.
Besides, to do otherwise ignores the physical reality. It is simply physically impossible to eliminate the number of employed illegals without crushing the economy. Half the restaurants in California would need to close because they wouldn’t be able to find the required help and that is just one example of many.
There are more illegals here working than there are unemployed legals to take their places. Ejecting them is simply impossible. And I know the stories of the locals showing up to take jobs opened by immigration raids but those people would, in the vast majority of cases, be leaving other lower paying jobs. Who would take *those*?
It is simply an economic impossibility to “enforce the laws” the way some cement heads think should be done. This legislation at least addresses the economic reality.
And let’s hear what the far (really far) left has to say about this travesty of a bill:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-news/comments/2007/06/26/53773
Of course, AJ’s sole purpose in life is to slam those he considers far right.
Crosspatch:
There are more illegals here working than there are unemployed legals to take their places.
I can see more good things in this bill than bad things.
Do you just make it up as you go along? How many illegals are working here? If we know that number, then we must know who they are and where they’re working. Are they ipso facto out of the shadows?
List one good thing in the bill, I can name dozens of bad things, but just for the hell of it, list one good thing?
You read something on freerepublic, and you respond to it here. Do you think the people who wrote what you are responding to are going to see it here?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to post your reply and comments there, where the comments you are replying to will actually be seen by those who made them?
It is your blog and I wouldn’t dream of trying to say what you should or should not post on your blog. I’m just saying that it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
What you are doing is a lot like having a bad day at work and then coming home and kicking the dog. News flash! The dog isn’t responsible for what happens at work.
It’s scary to observe how hissyfittedness is obscuring the vision and mental capacities of those commenters who support the immigration bill. HA HA HA
Apache, I think its you who is having a bad day if you cannot determine the message behind AJ’s latest post (whether you agree with it or not and whether I agree with it or not).
Go get a drink or something, dude!!!!!
If this bill is passed, show us the budget allocated for it and show us how this bill will be enforced. Show us how serious you guys are in backing this bill.
crosspatch is not making up anything.
47% of the ag labor market. And when it comes to restaurant work the rate of employment by undocumented workers is around 30% and then of course there are the independent contractors, the hair dressers and care givers etc. If these figures are bogus, then so must be the figures used by the right who say we are being ripped off, bled dry, used and abused etc. After all they have no problem at all coming up with “facts” when they need them.
To think that you can just pull 11 million people out of the labor force without repercussions is ridiculous. Food would rot in the fields for starters. Tax paying businesses would shut down. Neighborhoods would be depopulated.
So I don’t think crosspatch is the one making things up. The ones making things up are the people who go off the deep end about this while they ignore the simple reality that if the American people did not want a lot of these people to be here, if they served no purpose, they would not be here now, working.
So the problem then becomes to create a system that does not throw the baby out with the bath water.
I am of course not surprised at the over reaction of the my hair is on fire members of the right who have been running in circles screaming like banshees for some time now. It is what they do best.
Sorry, I made an error in my previous post in response to Apache’s earlier comment. Hissyfittedness is obscuring the judgement of those who OPPOSE the immigration bill.
My apologies.
AJ, I’m afraid that your side has never helped matters.
Take a look at your posts, and tell me that you have not been equally eager to sling mud…and I seem to recollect that Bush started the shin-kicking.
Reader
Apache, I think its you who is having a bad day if you cannot determine the message behind AJ’s latest post (whether you agree with it or not and whether I agree with it or not). Go get a drink or something, dude!!!!! Left by reader2007
Hissyfit? AJ’s post is all about ‘these people who’ are having fits, etc and I don’t see one name. Not one. which is unusual because the host is usually good at calling names.
and Reader, there is no message behind AJ’s post, that’s why Apache can’t determine what it is. It is just a soliquey of name calliing, without naming names.
Apache was the one who responded to my posting here about the “Mussolinied” comment on Lucianne a week or two ago by calling me a child.
Hello! We comment on this stuff because we see too many on the Right going completely batshit over large numbers of people guilty of a process crime, a misdemeanor at best. We’re reading posts from people who believe that failure to deport 12 million or more people (or to somehow induce them to “self-deport”) is treason. We’re reading about people in the GOP hinting that they might stop supporting the War on Terror in order to punish President Bush over this immigration thing. We’re reading about a Townhall blogger who posted a graphic fantasy about assassinating Johnny Sutton. We’re witnessing people going apeshit on Linda Chavez because she suggested that a minority of those crying “amnesty,” less than ten percent, are driven as much by racism as by concern for the economy or for sovereignty or for national security. We’re getting the impression that being here illegally trumps everything for some people — it doesn’t matter if an illegal lives an otherwise exemplary life, has a job, employs other people, pays taxes, serves in the military, whatever — if the son of a bitch is guilty of the process crime of being here illegally, then not only do some on the Right not want him here in our country, but it is an obscenity almost beyond imagining to be offering the bastard any sort of path to citizenship no matter how onerous, for this is “amnesty.”
It doesn’t matter what you think of this bill or that bill — that’s not really the issue for some of us. No, we’re watching FreeRepublic and other sites go all French Revolution on us because they’ve apparently convinced themselves that this bill is the beginning of the end of America. Some of us are against joining the pack when it starts to get rabid and would prefer to sit back and wait for things to simmer down before making up our minds about things. Some of us are sick of watching the Right going off half-cocked every five or six months and are starting to reconsider our support for (and even our identification with) the Right. That’s the issue for some of us, not just this bill.
Alright; TOO “Hot” in here, as usual when this topic comes up.
I’m off for a day, to cool off; before we all say things that we regret!
Well said Aitch!
And others, like me, have no concerns in making sure those ugly aspects of this debate are out in the open for all to see so we can decide which brand of “America” we will salvage from this idiotic conservative war brought on by the opposition to this bill.
Most of preferred a more reasoned debate, but us Quislings and Traitors were not given the choice of what level this battle was going to be fought on. That was decided by the opponents. They chose the sewer so that is were it gets fought.
No holds bar of course. As the opponents dictated. There is no common ground – just the political battlefield.
Aitch748
Amen Aitch to all that.
I am Pro Life Republican, anti Gay marriage by State Statute, Pro – Second Amendment, Free trade, Strong Defense, and Tax cutting Republican. Yet I am told I am a RINO.
If the far right that is upset about this wishes to go third party fine. But we all know that will not happen. What would this party look like. It would have a ton of extremist and then they would start fighting each other and the purges would continue.
It is about time that people realize the GOP is a Colation and you can’t tell other parts of it to F off all the time.
Terrye:
crosspatch is not making up anything.
with you around, he doesn’t have to. You did a good job of making up a lot.
47% of the ag labor market. And when it comes to restaurant work the rate of employment by undocumented workers is around 30%
So we have those identified, is that exactly 47 and 30% or is it approximately?
undocumented workers, if they are undocumented how do we know who they are and where they’re working? maybe you meant illegal?
To think that you can just pull 11 million people out of the labor force without repercussions is ridiculous. Food would rot in the fields for starters. Tax paying businesses would shut down. Neighborhoods would be depopulated.
Who proposed this? are you running in circles screaming like banshees or something?
So I don’t think crosspatch is the one making things up. Oh, so you will be listing the good things in the bill?
The ones making things up are the people who go off the deep end How deep is it there?
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Mike M.
We traitors and quislings begged the opponents to stay out of the sewer, but they ignored our warnings. My side, and especially myself, can fight on any level the opposition picks. They picked the sewer so here we are. They decided it was all or nothing, so those are the stakes. They declared there is no common ground and this was a fight to the finish.
OK – too late to whine about those choices now! The funny thing is those of who have even a modicum of self control can manipulate and exploit the amnesty hypochondriacs’ anger and emotion and control the tactics of the battle all day long. We are not out of control angry or hysterical. That is how battles are won – you use the opponents weaknesses against them.
Want to end this? Admit the opposition crossed the line and over reacted and should not have gone as far as they did. Promise to act respectfully and respect the results of the process. Short of the mea culpa and the promise not to burn the conservative house down again in a fit of angst this battle continues.
Aitch748
Some of us are sick of watching the Right going off half-cocked every five or six months
and some of us are sick of watching the Left staying off halfcocked all the time.
and some of us are sick of RINO’S
and are starting to reconsider our support for (and even our identification with) the Right.
and since you are apparently not and never have been on the right, why does it matter to you?
Admit the opposition crossed the line and over reacted
Okay RO5, Apache, Dale, ya’ll all willing to admit our opposition crossed the line and over reacted? I am.
Enforcement
Enforcement What is a Rino? I think that would be great to define.
I am pro immigration bill for various conservative reasons. So is this the issue of all that decides what a RINO is. We have had a quite a few test lately
I disagree with Many moderate Republicans. But can you imagine what life would be like withy out the so called RINOS(mostly truly moderate Republicans. Shall we put some one too far to the right in Maine? We can lose two seats there. What about California? How has been putting non moderate Republicans on State wide tickets working out there? Can you imagine if we told all the moderate GOPERS to leave. We would be in a electoral minority forever.
I might disagree with the moderate wing of the GOP on some issues. BUt I find we have much more in common than we have in disagreement. It should also be noted that this Moderate faction time after time votes to put conservative leadership in. Much more conservative than own districts or states generally. Yet they havent revolted and despite being abused and ignored(I have to admit I do that) they are still on the whole loyal despite the Chafeees of the world and the bloombergs that just hooped in to get some PR.
I fyou are sicj of RINOS then you are pretty much sick of having any chance of having input in Congress and thus the Judiciary.
Sen Spector that drives me into fits voted for Supreme Court justices that he knows are PRo -life leaning. Even though he is a pro choice Republican. I wonder. Who should be getting tired of whom
LE: I admit it, I crossed the line; that’s why I’m done on this topic for they day.
I have in fact, crossed the line by doing the following:
a) I’ve posted over 25 posts on the topic, where I’ve Spun like a top!
b) I have labelled the people who disagreed with me, from the very beginning “immigration hypochondriacs”
c) I have refused to listen to, brook dissent, answer questions, or provide facts for any of my positions
d) I have labelled a cursory “fingerprint check” as a complete “Background Check”, and refused to listen to FACTS and Evidence to the contrary..
e) To support my position, I have attempted to tie any subject, no matter how inconsequential to the matter at hand, such as Global Warming, into the Immigration Debate!
f) I have relentlessly attacked anyone who even dared to have the temerity to disagree with my position, and then played the “victim” card, and accused them of attacking ME!
g) I have said repeatedly, I am not a member of the Repulican Party, and could not abide by the far-right immigration Hypochondriacs, and that it was good riddance that they’ve destroyed themselves over this issue, and yet, for some reason, I continue to worry about whether we and pander to Hispanic Votes to stay in power!
h) I claim repeatedly that I’ve debunked the theories of all the naysayers, but somehow, I do that without ever having read the bill, understanding what is in it, providing any actual facts, nor answering any of my critics questions.
i) Despited repeated questions by you all, I still cannot explain why I actually support this bill, other than to say if it is not passed, we’ll lose the Hispanic vote, but when that fact is pointed out by the idiot in Atlanta, I deny that is the case!
j) I make predictions, and when the do not come true, I attack the messenger; except when I’m delivering the “messenger”, then I complain about you all attacking the “messenger”.
k) When I make a prediction, or state that something will come true/happen, and the EXACT OPPOSITE happens, I immediately make a post, claiming that that was my position all along!
l) I surf obscure websites, to find nutbag remarks by clearly unhinged fringe rightists, and then bring them over here and post them, clearly trying to paint all my critics here, with the same brush, even though none of them have ever used anything even close to comparable language.
m) I constantly tell people not to insult ME, but I insult them, at every opportunity, by calling them “immigration hypochondricas”; “far right nuts”; and thru obvious inference as well!
For all of these serious transgressions, and others too numerous to reiterate, I apologize to everyone who has read my posts.
I confess, I have personally crossed the line as AJ has said, with the above list of “sins”, and I will strive not to do so again!