Jun 27 2007
Another Poll Confirms The Amnesty Hypochondriacs Small Minority
The Amnesty Hypochondriacs who oppose any legislation that provides a path, with retribution to society, for the illegal aliens here claim to represent 75% of the people. OK, ego-maniacal observations aside (that would mean the GOP had enormous leads in Congress) we also have polls and other DATA to understand what is really going on here. Some question the clearly simple math I used on the Senate vote to note that the immigration hypochondriacs only garnered 25% support. Well it is pretty easy to do the math. 24 GOP members voted ‘naye’ (the rest were liberals who felt the bill was too harsh on immigrants. 24 out of 99 is…?
While the hypochondriacs mull over that little problem we have a new poll out from CNN/Opinion Research which shows an interesting and similar result:
A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll released Monday showed 47 percent of Americans opposed the bill, while 30 percent supported it and 19 percent said they didn’t know enough about it to make a judgment. The poll’s sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.
However, the poll found a significant division among opponents of the immigration plan. About 28 percent said they were opposed because it did too much to help illegal immigrants, but 15 percent said they were opposed because it did too little.
There is that same number again – 28%! The far right cannot claim (but they do try) alliance with liberals who would truly open the borders and provide immediate citiznship to illegals here now. If they do they are only kidding themselves. But the pollsters make a valid point:
So while much of the opposition to the bill has come from those who believe it is too soft on illegal immigration, the poll found that 45 percent of Americans either support the bill or want it to be more immigrant-friendly, compared to 28 percent who feel it’s already too immigrant-friendly.
Ooppps. No where near the 75% the far right claims they represent! And let’s not forget those undecideds – who are probably more likely the ‘who the hell cares anymore’ crowd. The point is these 19 percent don’t have a position – and they DO NOT agree with the 28% who are the amnesty hypochondriacs. Finally, in a 50-50 nation between Rep and Dem support at the polls 28% is not a solid majority. And all those traitors and quislings on the right who support Bush will not be allying again anytime soon with the hypochondriacs so they could even hope to get near 50% again. These are strong indicators that there is no wide spread support for the far right, and in fact they are rapidly forcing the vast majority of people to line up AGAINST them.
Update: And another poll out showing similar results (remember opposition comes from far left AND far right – so only a subset are from the far right)
To correctly gauge the difference of this issue, we asked people whether they would favor or oppose creating a program that would allow illegal immigrants already living in the United States for a number of years to stay in the country and apply for U.S. citizenship. Then, there was a twist — the question one-half of our sample read continued “if they had a job and paid back taxes” while the question the other half read concluded “even if they don’t pay back taxes”.
Not surprisingly, there was a large difference. Well over half (57%) of adults who had the first statement with the back tax provision favored such a program while two in five (39%) opposed. Among the adults who had the provision of not paying back taxes, two-thirds (66%) opposed such a program while only one-quarter (28%) favored it.
Under certain conditions – those outlined in the bill as opposed to some cherry picked by partisans – the country still supports “amnesty”. And I would wager that 39% opposition is 25% far right and 14% far left, give or take a few points. Which can be seen in the polls internals:
Partisan leanings also show a split on this divisive issue. When back taxes are included, two-thirds of Democrats (65%) favor this program as do 56 percent of Independents. Republicans are split straight down the middle as 49 percent favor it and 49 percent oppose it.
The 25% “majority” marches on, splitting the GOP in half and making it impotent on all other issues.
Update: OK, now a third poll.
In the study, respondents stated that they strongly agreed with the statement, “The nation’s immigration system was broken,†with a rating of eight (8.03) on a ten point scale. They also felt (6.9) that “Building more fences will not stop the flow of immigrants into the U.S.â€
Most favored the statement, “A legal path to permanent residency and eventual citizenship should be available to all immigrants who have built a life in this country.†Two-thirds (66.6%) of those surveyed expressed their support and only about one-in-four (26%) disagreed with the statement.
All these folks must be working for Ted Kennedy of course, that is the only reason the same result keeps coming up. Folks, you can only cook the polls so much and MAYBE move them 5-7 points. We are not in the 5-7 point range. And there is that mid 20’s number again. Imagine that?
The total number of amendments to be considered is limited to 27.
oooh….
Merlin is now scared of typos!
OK. leave the killers here.
Terrye,
The purity purge is in full gear! Submit or get insulted!!!
Ahhhhh, hahahahahaha!
Terrye, the first thing you might want to do is learn the difference between “gig” and “jig”. They are in no way related.
And are you so clueless that you are now going to tell me that the prescription drug plan is NOT costing more than we were told it would? God, Terrye, are you on some kind of mind altering Rx?
And now Grassley wants to make it illegal to hire Americans first? Anyone want to argue that this bill is not in the interest of foreign nationals over Americans? God, welcome to the United Socialist States of America.
BTW, Terrye, if you did your research as you should, you would know that Hispanics voted 44% for Bush (the majority 56% voting for Kerry and means they still chose a Democrat) but that in local and state elections they voted primarily Democrat.
You are so uninformed you are no longer funny.
AJ
You know I am only dealing with facts and issues here, please reduce the snark level , it is not justified.
Poor Ro5 was called a ‘hypochondriac’, sniff, sniff….
That’s much worse than insinuating some one is a Nazi – isn’t folks?
Let’s have a big ‘ol pity party for the guy who insinuated Terrye was a Nazi – shall we???
Awwwwwww.
Feel proud of yourself R05????
And pulleeaase don’t whine to me about the name calling. I don’t care, honestly R05. I am glad to see your side losing their composure (what little they had) and threatening to stay home (and please, please honor that promise) if the GOP turns their back on you folks.
Then we all will celebrate the calm and quiet that will follow.
Merlin, what is the matter with you? Are you on some prescription marijane? Facts? We don’t get facts from the opposition. We get snarky remarks and untruths. Facts seem to have no place for the (drum roll, please, here comes the insult) “amnesty pimps”.
No AJ it’s not typos, they were specifically discussing illegals who had committed other crimes who might slip through the net.
Unless their were specific things like fingerprints to tie a crime to a given zcard applicant, then they could slip through because they use aliases when arrested for the crime.
AJ, I could not be more composed if I tried to emulate you. But I do find it funny that you, who drew first blood, would complain about having the tables turned on one of your groupies.
Now, while you are at it, why don’t you show where I have ever said I would stay home if the GOP doesn’t follow my lead? You can’t because I didn’t.
How sad you are to have to make things up. Just can’t let go of those days being a Dhimmicrat, can you?
Merlin, of course it is justified! What, do you think there is perfection in this little old world?
And you know what, I really stopped caring. I find it much more calming to stop pretending these are serious issues. Grassly is an idiot. but at least he used to vote in GOP leadership. The price you pay to get the gavel. But you know what – he is a duly elected senator. He can strut up there and have his little amendment voted on.
And no, I am not afraid of 300,000 mistakes because they can be corrected. You supposedly the mathematician. Dazzle us with the accuracy level of 300,000 errors out of 12 million estimated aliens? Want me to do it for you? Why not.
2.5% error rate. So instead of dealing with 97.5% perfectly you want to do nothing! And no word on what subset of those RANDOM 300,000 errors would be a serious problem.
It is like someone saying we have a 97.5% chance of dealing with your cancer and you saying \”no thanks, I am waiting for 100% before I act\”.
That is why the snark was well deserved and eagerly offered!
They also noted that only about 60% of all crimes where fingerprints were taken are submitted to the common fingerprint database.
AJ
That was just the estimate for actual criminals who would slip through and it doesn’t take into account errors from non criminals who used aliases in their work history.
I would be concerned if 300,000 drug dealers, home invasion people or drunk drivers slip through the net.
First its errors and now its criminals.
Merlin’s arguments are quite fluid. HA HA HA.
AJ
A lot of it tied back to sanctuary cities who refused to submit their fingerprint records to the system. They were talking of tried and convicted persons NOT random errors.
Reader
Yes I did not include in my original comment that these were related specifically to convicted criminals. My oversight.
So far today 5 amendments killed one passed.
perhaps you should cite a source so we know for sure whether these are “errors” or criminals.
Your oversight has called your credibility on this particular bit of information into question.
Thanks
Tom Coburn is speaking right now about how the country is distressed about the bill process going on here, how it was introduced and manipulated in the Senate. He claims that confidence is lost by the general public as to how this bill has proceeded.
From Michelle Malkin website;
“5:31pm. Specter is having a snit fit over Grassley’s remarks about broken promises and bad process. Specter’s thin skin is oozing imperiousness. Everything you hate about the Senate. Specter moves to table the Baucus amendment.”
Its funny how radical conserv hissyfitters are commenting on Specter’s tantrums. Of course, they fail to point out their own hissyfits and don’t comment on how their own tantrums are marginalizing the Republican Party.
I thought this was ironic and funny. HA HA HA.
(FYI: I am a republican but I can’t stand radicals. Radicals on the right behave just as badly as radicals on the left. Michelle Malkin on immigration reform is becoming almost as bad (though not quite, yet) as Chris Matthews on the war!)