Jun 28 2007
Guess We Need To Dump Some More Hypochondriacs!
I was in meetings all day, but I suspected the vote would not make it based on some early morning indications. I will be looking at the votes but it would seem more far left and far right folks moved to leave us in the same mess we have had for 20+ years. Well, there is only one answer: get rid of the fringes left and right.
The motto for 2008 should be “Stay Out Of The Fringes!”. For me that means I would rather see Webb (D) stay on for a while longer – at least until we can get this immigrartion issue fixed. And of course I will support Warner (R) if he runs in 2008. But if Warner retires all bets are off. The Dems probably will not run a liberal in VA so it will be up to the Republican options to see which way I would vote. But if we ended up with a Mark Warner type vs. an Allen/Sessions type VA would probably be all Democrat at the top of the ticket in 2008. I don’t have time for an analysis of where it makes sense to trim the fringes, but I am sure there are plenty of opportunities out there.
Until then I plan to thank the GOP for every victim of a crime by a repeat offender illegal alien for doing so much to allow these animals to stay in our country. The DO NOTHING NOW! crowd one this round. But each round takes a toll on them and they loose more credibility and support. It is just a matter of time before enough get tossed out before we can try again. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want a Clinton or Levin or any liberal in office. But the Dems are willing to let moderates into their caucuses more than the frantic right.
Besides, the far right has run its course. They have nothing to offer new and if we need to protect the gains we made we can do that when needed. Yes, we may lose some ground, but that was happening anyway. You need to align with folks who will give you some part of your goals. With the GOP caving on stem cells and other matters their utility is about used up. They are victims of their own success. We have 90% of the stuff proposed by the Contract with America and Bush’s pledges – so take the progress and find opportunities for more. The one open issue is Iraq.
But if Bush’s Surge has done what is needed to stabilize the situation, then that too can be a success fairly immune to Congressional meddling by 2009. That I will watch. If Iraq does stabilize then al bets are off. Might be time to give the Dems another shot. Who knows. But anything is better than NOTHING NOW! – the new and everlasting GOP mantra. This was interesting – can’t wait to do it again.
In reality I think that there are many legislators on both the right and left that did not like this bill. In reality we have bills that are law that are not enforced, if enforced could help the problem a lot. I think we could deal with the problem if we closed the boarder and found a reliable way to tack people in this county. I have read that in Iraq they have a system that tracks people very well. I think DOD developed it. We should use it here.
“Until then I plan to thank the GOP for every crime by a repeat offender illegal aliens.”
No, AJ, that every administration since LBJ. It is the administration’s responsibility to require the Justice Department to enforce the laws. It is the responsibility of the administration to require Chernoff to enforce the laws on the books that would deport and/or prosecute repeat offender illegal aliens. Congress can enact laws until the cows come home but it is the administration that is responsible for putting people in positions that will enforce them.
We have already discussed how this bill would allow those with three misdemeanors on their records to stay here, legally. A DWI, in some states, is a class B misdemeanor. That means that your precious bill would have allowed every illegal who had been convicted of DWI in those states, would have been allowed to stay.
I will say this for you, AJ, you have cajones. You feel you can talk about the crimes of illegal aliens when you, personally, have never been affected by them. Somehow, I think you would have a change of opinion if it was your neighbor or your good friend that died at the hands of an illegal. But then, I could be wrong on that.
According to you, it was only the far left/right fringes that killed this bill. That means that the center is made up of only 20% of all Americans. A pretty big fringe group, wouldn’t you say?
Did it ever occur to you that if we suffer another attack that all this talk of legalization for ANY illegal will become moot? The American people will rise up against illegals like we have never seen.
Just one other point: it was the far right fringes, Senator Cornyn and Senator Hutchison, that took to the podiums and said “don’t let this conversation end. Secure the border, enforce the laws, show the American people that we are sincere about those things, and then, ask the American people to take into consideration those who have been here illegally for years but have worked hard.” Not one of your “comprehensive immigration” proponents did that. Not one. Instead, they declared the bill DOA. In other words, Reid knows that they cannot ramrod the American people to garner the bills they want that pander to special interest groups. If Reid, Kyl, Graham and Kennedy were really interested in doing something constructive, they would have suggested that new bills be drawn up to be discussed, in the open, above board, to address the mulitiple problems we face.
It will be your “immigration hypochondriacs” that will try to get something done. Expand the worker visas, enforce the employer sanctions, secure the border.
But then, what would you rant about if they are successful?
I thought the losing side was supposed to take it like true patriots. Oh well, so much for that guidance.
Let’s see now. the Dims brought up this bill, the majority of votes for it were Dims, but when they lost the votes, it was the Repubs that lost? Well, so much for Logic 101.
So even tho the ponographer Webb, Dim-Va voted no, he was right to do so. So much for Logic 102.
Seems to me as if the Dims were the losers rather than the far right. Didn’t the far right prevail? Didn’t the American public win? Wasn’t it a victory for a Republic, representative government responding to the desires of the represented?
Wasn’t it a loss for the Amnesty pimps?
“Until then I plan to thank the GOP for every victim of a crime by a repeat offender illegal alien for doing so much to allow these animals to stay in our country.” which is it? do they have laws now that allow for deporting criminals or not? you don’t seem to be able to make up your mind on that. In fact, with the criminals at the head of the line for legal papers, they would likely be the last ones to be deported.
See, I told you I could write your diatribe ahead of time. But maybe you are lucky and got into your fallout shelter before the sky started falling.
Your prediction performance record stayed intact.
Congressman Bilbray says you can’t start a comprehensive immigration reform with blanket amnesty, it’s a non-starter. Hey, someone from California with a real brain.
He says it was the liberal unions that won the day, they teamed with far right hypochondriacs to be heard. Since it is the end of the far right hypo’s guess it’s the end of the liberal unions also. If losing on this is the death knell. No, wait…..they won, didn’t they…. do we need a recount? What’s going on here? Anyhow?
I intend to show the same loyalty to the Republican party that is has shown to the president.
And Kathie, I am so tired of hearing about laws not being enforced. What do they intend to do about it other than bitch? Spend more money? Streamline the process? Hire more people? What exactly? All of that would require an act of Congress at any rate.
Just saying that over and over again has about as much realistic impact on the situation as telling kids to just say no to drugs.
It ain’t that simple. I have never heard one single hardliner come up with a viable alternative to a bill like this. Nothing. Bitching is not a plan. What would they do differently to see to it that those laws are enforced? What exactly? And what about the laws that have been watered down by court decisions?
They need a plan, they need details, they need to at least be able to come up with a few of the same kind of gaurantees they demanded of others. After awhile the nonstop bitching is just annoying if it is not followed by policy, a bill and a solution.
And that is not out there. A wall is like a bandaid on a gaping wound.
But I have gotten to the place where I don’t think that most of the hardliners really care about a solution. They just want to use the issue to assert their influence in the party and they don’t really care about the long term problems they create, nor do they care about the hard work of governing.
If they did, they would have been making an issue out of this a decade ago, but instead they saved it…until it was politically usefull.
Thus far, they have come up with not one single real life bill or step that will actually make enforcing those laws any easier or more likely.
If years and years down the road we are still hearing that tired old line about just enforcing the laws, people will catch on that is all a scam.
As long as talk radio and the various “conservative” astroturf organizations can make money by screeching about illegal immigration, they will continue to whip their faithful into a frenzy whenever the subject comes up.
To those who won: fine, you won. Now you get to clean up the mess you’ve made. A lot of Hispanics are now convinced that the Republican Party dislikes them. The over-the-top comments made on Townhall, Free Republic, and talk radio that you seem to never find the time to disown end up getting replayed over and over again by the Democrats.
You have 491 days and change to change the image you and your sputniki have worked overtime to create. Get your (Biblical beasts of burden) moving, goombahs.
No, I am not about to help you clean up the mess. The Pottery Barn Rule applies: you broke it, you bought it. Besides, you folks have referred to me as a “traitor” and a “Quisling” too many times for me to bother working with you on anything. If you don’t like that, “Tango Sierra.” Maybe y’all should’ve thought of that before insulting me.
I have far more important things to do with my time than to volunteer it on behalf of those who despise me.
FE, the Dhimmicrats didn’t get their way on this bill. They were unable to ramrod this bill through once the American people read it and voice their opinions.
Now, Harry Reid has said today (twice) that it is the fault of talk radio with Trent Lott jumping on the bandwagon a few days ago. Can you see where this is going? Americans now have talk radio, supported by the listeners, to inform them about the shenanigans that goes on in our Senate and Congress and Reid, et al, are none too happy about that. Their activities are being exposed to the light of day and cannot stand the disinfectant effect it has. So now the only thing to do is bring back the Fairness Doctrine and silence talk radio. But the New Democratic Socialist Party of America will not stop there. Who is next? Go after bloggers. Insist that someone like AJ open up his blog to another blogger that presents an opposite viewpoint. Of course, we will have to have a new agency that will decide what is fair and what isn’t. We can’t have one person voicing their opinion without the other side being represented, now can we?
At least when AJ votes for a Dhimmicrat, he will know up front he is getting a socialist.
I would like to say one thing. I voted for George Bush because I respected him. He made me believe that Republicans were not just the rich man’s party. Republicans could represent all sorts of people.
Since the whole Harriet Miers episode and now this I am reminded of what I used to think of Republicans. Self righteous. Selfish. Narrow minded. Hypocrites. Bigots. Bush made me believe I was wrong about that. He made me believe that I had misjudged that party.
Now I am beginning to wonder. I think this is a case of winning the battle and losing the war. The hardliners had better be able to follow this with something other than bile and venom or they will lose even more.
I am just telling you this as a classic swing voter. I am not liking what I see and hear.
We have the left pandering to the unions and the right pandering to the xenophobes and the result is not only the death of this bill, it is no bill, no improvement, no nothing.
I am beginning to wonder if putting more moderate Democrats in office might not be the answer.
I intend to show the same loyalty to the Republican party
and that would be about the same loyalty as in the past?
Cobalt:
I hear you and I feel the same damn way. It is their baby. I suggest they get to it.
No, Terrye, it is the baby of every administration since LBJ.
Can Congress enforce the law? Can the Senate enforce the laws? What department is responsible for enforcing American laws and who controls those departments?
Learn how goverment works, Terrye. Then you won’t sound so clueless.
I have never heard one single hardliner come up with a viable alternative to a bill like this.
Sure you have, many times. It was called ‘do nothing’ much preferred to this bill. certainly a viable alternative. Go back to your liberal roots
Wow!
I’ve never seen “Cobalt Shiva” on this board before, and certainly no one called her either a”traitor” or “qisling” on this board; so not sure who you are ranting against?
Terrye: I have a piece of advice for; go over to Captain’s Quarter’s Blog, and hook up with “Carol Herman”; you and her make as about as much sense as each other, so you’d be great partners.
Not to worry about the illegal criminals getting a free ride. The American people are already riled up about illegal drunk drivers killing Americans after numerous citations. We are also angry that these people are allowed to break the law and get away with it and stay here, and that they don’t even bother to show up for court dates and get away with it. When it becomes obvious to the majority of us that there are laws that are enforced against us and not enforced against them, the American people will take care of the problem in their own way. If I remember correctly, the last time we had a situation like this, some of our fellows put sheets over their heads and got justice in the night. If you think FBI infiltration into every nook and cranny of our lives will prevent this, think again. Some of our people are smart enough to go it alone. Or swap duties with trusted buddies.
We have had race riots in this country before. I see it happening again. Unless the government gets a handle on this massive invasion that is affecting each and every one of us working stiffs, and makes a sincere effort to round them up and ship them back home, the American people will solve the problem by making it so uncomfortable for them that they will voluntarily go home. Just remember, Unemployment for US born unskilled workers, those with high school or less education, has gone from 20% to 30% since these 12 to 20 million illegals started this invasion. Unemployment for new black high school graduates is nearly 50%. Idle hands are the devils workshop. It’s still true.
Cobalt Shiva
are you lost? why are you posting here? never seen your name before. Did you intend to post that over at Kos or somewhere less conservative. I think you are just disorientated. Wake up
OK, another post eaten by the great “post monitor”. Seems that if I say anything the “post monitor” doesn’t agree with, the gobble it up like PacMan.
enforcement:
What is that supposed to mean? I am telling you that since 2000 I have voted a straight Republican ticket, I intended to change party affiliation from Independent to Republican, people like you changed my mind.
Now if your point is that the only people you want voting for you are life long Republicans, then keep in mind that means you will be a minority party and you will never again carry enough clout to have anyone in the White House.
Believe it or not, treating people like crap does not inspire them to vote for you.
And btw, George Bush and John Kyl and John McCain are all life long Republicans, but that did not keep the screamers on this issue from calling them traitors.
So you can kiss my behind my friend, I owe you nothing.
Great posts, Cobalt and Terrye.
I particularly like this:
snip/”Since the whole Harriet Miers episode and now this I am reminded of what I used to think of Republicans. Self righteous. Selfish. Narrow minded. Hypocrites. Bigots. Bush made me believe I was wrong about that. He made me believe that I had misjudged that party.”
Terrye
THe party is not dead yet. There were a lot of people who stood up. Again I am now going to focus on mitigating the damage and reach out to Hispanics as much as we can. We have worked to hard to throw all the progress we made away