Jun 28 2007
Guess We Need To Dump Some More Hypochondriacs!
I was in meetings all day, but I suspected the vote would not make it based on some early morning indications. I will be looking at the votes but it would seem more far left and far right folks moved to leave us in the same mess we have had for 20+ years. Well, there is only one answer: get rid of the fringes left and right.
The motto for 2008 should be “Stay Out Of The Fringes!”. For me that means I would rather see Webb (D) stay on for a while longer – at least until we can get this immigrartion issue fixed. And of course I will support Warner (R) if he runs in 2008. But if Warner retires all bets are off. The Dems probably will not run a liberal in VA so it will be up to the Republican options to see which way I would vote. But if we ended up with a Mark Warner type vs. an Allen/Sessions type VA would probably be all Democrat at the top of the ticket in 2008. I don’t have time for an analysis of where it makes sense to trim the fringes, but I am sure there are plenty of opportunities out there.
Until then I plan to thank the GOP for every victim of a crime by a repeat offender illegal alien for doing so much to allow these animals to stay in our country. The DO NOTHING NOW! crowd one this round. But each round takes a toll on them and they loose more credibility and support. It is just a matter of time before enough get tossed out before we can try again. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want a Clinton or Levin or any liberal in office. But the Dems are willing to let moderates into their caucuses more than the frantic right.
Besides, the far right has run its course. They have nothing to offer new and if we need to protect the gains we made we can do that when needed. Yes, we may lose some ground, but that was happening anyway. You need to align with folks who will give you some part of your goals. With the GOP caving on stem cells and other matters their utility is about used up. They are victims of their own success. We have 90% of the stuff proposed by the Contract with America and Bush’s pledges – so take the progress and find opportunities for more. The one open issue is Iraq.
But if Bush’s Surge has done what is needed to stabilize the situation, then that too can be a success fairly immune to Congressional meddling by 2009. That I will watch. If Iraq does stabilize then al bets are off. Might be time to give the Dems another shot. Who knows. But anything is better than NOTHING NOW! – the new and everlasting GOP mantra. This was interesting – can’t wait to do it again.
Kathie:
Well they put triggers in the bill for the border, but needless to say since the people who put the triggers in are traitors and not to be trusted we will have to forget about that.
There is no way to just “close” that border. We can and we should improve the security there, but it will take years to complete that wall and something tells me that it will still not be enough for some folks to consider it secure. I think we could work on that border, the northern border and shore lines for decades, spend tens of billions of dollars and these guys would still be dragging their feet demanding we do more.
But even if we could do that, there will be people trying to get here before the wall is complete and since the hardliners do not want to do anything about dealing with the millions already millions more could sneak in here and they would still be doing their little victory dance completely oblivious to it.
In other words, it ain’t that simple, if it was we would not be having this discussion.
Loneferrett,
Most did not name call or simply have emotion based arguments.
actually 99% of the name calling was on the other side. the side supporting the bill. Haven’t you been reading this blog, vile, hardliner, amnesty hypochondriacs, on and on and on. (and they’re proud of it)
Show me ANY examples, on this blog of the opposition side calling names. Just one single example would suffice.
I have not, on this blog, even one time seen Pres Bush referred to as a traitor, it’s possible it happened, but I’ve read practically every immigration comment, and I haven’t seen it.
Loneferrett, see this example:
“Well they put triggers in the bill for the border, but needless to say since the people who put the triggers in are traitors”
It is the comment from immediately above from terrye, she has said people use the term traitor repeatedly, but has never been able to show one single example of it. In fact, she uses the term more than any of the opposition. check it out.
Those are some pretty impressive numbers as to what we would have to have on the border. Of course that does nothing for the 40 percent that overstay their visas.
Now, I have a dandy solution for that: have the BP/ICE do “workplace enforcement” the same way the BATF did “firearms law enforcement” from 1986 to 1995. A few McMansions going up in flames (with their residents inside and the fire trucks kept back until the place has burned out) on Fox News and CNN would put the fear of God and the BP/ICE into the hearts of scofflaws who hire an illegal alien gardener or nanny.
Well, until somebody blows up a Ryder truck outside a federal building. Figure maybe a decade or so of good times.
cobalt, so that would be zero? So the correct answer is fruit?
Yes, 491 days and if this is still a problem, I won’t be blaming Bush. No one will. At least he can say he tried.
Which is more than the likes of Rush Savagea and Malkin can say. Although I bet Rush and his pals got some great ratings out of this. Made some real money off of this. You betcha. Money talks. Nothing wrong with that. No sir.
Maybe Tancredo could threaten to use the military against Mexico or something. Now that would really get the juices going. hmmm buddy.
Surely they have some brilliant plan and some brilliant bill that everyone everywhere will love. After all, they are the experts.
FE: 491 days and counting. Time’s-a-wastin’, son.
Cobalt that is just plain BS on your part.
Take the time and work that solution backward from how many border personnel we have now and see how many miles/person rather than persons/mile your ridiculous example envisions.
“Maybe Tancredo could threaten to use the military against Mexico or something. Now that would really get the juices going. hmmm buddy. ”
Heck a leading Democrat said that the Dems should write checks to Tancredo just to keep him in the race.
IF anything the one nice thing is that his Campaign has gone nowhere
enforcement:
Can’t you read?
There was a post in the other thread about Bush the traitor. I saw a post where not only was McCain accused of being a traitor he was accused of having oral sex with both Kennedy and HoChiMinh {Glenn Reynolds linked to it} and I have heard Kyl called a traitor on TV, on line etc.
If you say you have not seen references like this then I can only assume you are being dishonest. Again. Rather like saying that people who support comprehensive immigration reform want to give illegals the right to vote.
No, I mentioned before that I am done with you and I slipped up and responded, this will be the last time.
Terrye
“It helps to win elections if you want to run things. Thus far you guys sorta suck at that. ”
Count up the number of elections for the House and Senate since 1994 and see which side has won most of them. I forgot, you can’t count. but you get the message.
Take the time and work that solution backward from how many border personnel we have now and see how many miles/person rather than persons/mile your ridiculous example envisions.
Thank you for proving my point: the whole problem we have is that we don’t have nearly enough bodies up on the border. The BP/ICE agents we do have are concentrated in a very few hot spots (San Diego/Otay, Cochise County, San Antonio). The result is that the illegal aliens simply cross in the completely unguarded sectors–which is most of the damn border. If you want to secure the border, you have to secure all of it.
Since we have 491 days this doesnt sound like a good start
http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=476666&lang=eng_news&cate_img=83.jpg&cate_rss=news_Politics
BigLsu:
They have forgotten about that silent majority that Richard Nixon used to talk about. Nixon was wrong about some things, but he was right about the silent majority. And right now that majority is expecting some sort of movement on this issue. Tancredo is nothing like that silent majority, he is a loon and most people know it.
I tend to be conservative on most issues and that is why I have voted for moderate Democrats or Republicans, my liberal days are decades behind me.
However, I am also a pragmatist and right now what we need are solutions, not snarky, over the top, snide, outrageous comments designed to alienate people.
Well, they own the issue now. I suggest they get busy, if they are not going to let anyone else do anything about the problem they better get busy and do something themselves.
Too bad they burned so many bridges.
Yes…. well… Bush won more votes than any president in history in 2004.,…. but he has been disowned so I guess that whole winning elections thing is relative.
In other words, a great many of the people who won elections were on the other side of the issue, whereas in the last election the hardliners bit the dust.
If that trend continues it does not bode well for Republicans.
terrye, so you can’t read either:
“There was a post in the other thread about Bush the traitor. I saw a post where not only was McCain accused of being a traitor he was accused of having oral sex with both Kennedy and HoChiMinh {Glenn Reynolds linked to it} and I have heard Kyl called a traitor on TV, on line etc.”
I said ‘on this blog‘ and you saying that the hardliners call the Pres a traitor is not the same as a hardliner calling the pres a traitor. I can find many examples of you using the term in that manner, but NONE of any hardliner using the term on this blog. I notice you failed to link.
I haven’t seen Glenn Reynolds posting on this blog. where was that.
Why are you ducking the issue?
In fact this issue costs Republicans House seats in 2006 and my guess is after this tantrum, it will cost them more in 2008. Unless they luck out and the Democrats run a bunch of losers against them.
Imagine what the impact would be in the national race if the Republicans lost a state like Florida where there is a large community of hispanic voters.
491 days.
cobalt, you obviously have no clue about border security. The first thing that would eliminate about 50% of the border traffic would be to put out the word that people crossing the border would be detained and locked up. Walking over with no opposition and no penalty would no longer be permitted. If you go to a ball game and get front row seats at no charge, would you insist on paying? Would you take those same seats if you had to pay a heavy penalty for them? well, illegals won’t either. Then the well designed two row fencing with the clear road down the middle and large ditches on either side with surveillance will reduce about 80% of the remainder. No, there wouldn’t be tunnels, ground penetrating radar would take care of that. And anyone caught damaging the fence would get an additional ten years in the lockup, you’d have it down to a trickle.
That could be done in about 10 days, so that leaves 481 more to get the last 2%. See, already got it solved.
If you had thought about it for a couple years, you might come up with a plan that good.
enforcement:
leave me alone. really, I am tired of you.
FLorida is a concern Terrye. That is place where we should do well. I am anxious to see how the GOP hopefuls handle their vistis there while campaigning for that election