Jun 28 2007
Guess We Need To Dump Some More Hypochondriacs!
I was in meetings all day, but I suspected the vote would not make it based on some early morning indications. I will be looking at the votes but it would seem more far left and far right folks moved to leave us in the same mess we have had for 20+ years. Well, there is only one answer: get rid of the fringes left and right.
The motto for 2008 should be “Stay Out Of The Fringes!”. For me that means I would rather see Webb (D) stay on for a while longer – at least until we can get this immigrartion issue fixed. And of course I will support Warner (R) if he runs in 2008. But if Warner retires all bets are off. The Dems probably will not run a liberal in VA so it will be up to the Republican options to see which way I would vote. But if we ended up with a Mark Warner type vs. an Allen/Sessions type VA would probably be all Democrat at the top of the ticket in 2008. I don’t have time for an analysis of where it makes sense to trim the fringes, but I am sure there are plenty of opportunities out there.
Until then I plan to thank the GOP for every victim of a crime by a repeat offender illegal alien for doing so much to allow these animals to stay in our country. The DO NOTHING NOW! crowd one this round. But each round takes a toll on them and they loose more credibility and support. It is just a matter of time before enough get tossed out before we can try again. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want a Clinton or Levin or any liberal in office. But the Dems are willing to let moderates into their caucuses more than the frantic right.
Besides, the far right has run its course. They have nothing to offer new and if we need to protect the gains we made we can do that when needed. Yes, we may lose some ground, but that was happening anyway. You need to align with folks who will give you some part of your goals. With the GOP caving on stem cells and other matters their utility is about used up. They are victims of their own success. We have 90% of the stuff proposed by the Contract with America and Bush’s pledges – so take the progress and find opportunities for more. The one open issue is Iraq.
But if Bush’s Surge has done what is needed to stabilize the situation, then that too can be a success fairly immune to Congressional meddling by 2009. That I will watch. If Iraq does stabilize then al bets are off. Might be time to give the Dems another shot. Who knows. But anything is better than NOTHING NOW! – the new and everlasting GOP mantra. This was interesting – can’t wait to do it again.
Cobalt Shiva
Good Grief. Was that all on FR on one thread?
speaking of brainless is that enforement I hear yammering away?
I like dittoing sometimes.
Besides the talk radio and right wing blogs have all been raving like clones lately so it seems to me that dittoing is quite the thing right now.
terrye, you could at least try to keep honesty going for you:
I have a confession to make, when the posts are done by enforcement or retire I just sort of skim over them and move on. I rarely actually read them.
you know very well you read every word and respond to about 90% of them. I think you must be a glutton for punishment. And Aitch saying he skips over my posts because they contain, such and such. How the hell would he know if he doesn’t read them.
Aitch, honesty doesn’t count with you or terrye?
Excellent post, Cobalt Shiva.
Oh, and: 491 DAYS! 491 DAYS! 491 DAYS! Better start mending your relations with the Hispanics while you’re hollering at Congress to go faster on the fence.
Cobalt
You are new here and some know you but you come in the door complaining about what people on other blogs say, follow that up with bath math examples and then drag more quotes in that 99% of those here would disagree with in any event.
Please calm down and address the issues rather than trying to paint a picture that doesn’t apply here.
I should have said, we can NOT just haul people off.
Lsu:
You see the problem they have is that they forget the Republican party is a political party, which means it has to win elections to gain and maintain power. Conservatives are not a political party, they are people with a certain ideology, and they can be in any party. In fact many are Independents.
However, most Americans are not conservatives, they self identify as moderates. I think I read a few months ago that the breakdown was about 47% moderate, 35% conservative and about 20% liberal. God only knows what the 2% is. In fact in 2000 Ralph Nadar got 4.6% of the vote and Pat Buchanan got a little less than 1%.
And there is the question as to whether conservatives can “take back” the party because they may never have had it in the first place.
When Reagan was president toward the end of his second term the conservatives began to turn on him as well and demand once again that they take back the party. But when one looks at the really successful Republican presidents, most of them have not been all that conservative.
They have been center right, which is right where a plurality of Americans consider themselves to be.
Terrye
Yes we have Hispanic legals here, that is an issue that makes the zvisa a problem.
The only ones who get the zcard are those who come forward and self identify as an illegal.
That means each legal anchor baby or green card or citizen Hispanic does NOT have a zcard.
So if one of them tries to get a job, guess what they will be considered by the employer as a potential undocumented person without a zcard that puts them at risk for potential fines if they hire them.
That was 16% liberal, not 20%
I think that is right Terrye
THe party is actually more conservative in some ways than it was inthe 70’s or 80’s as to the people on Power. The conservative base actually gets to 60 to 70 percent of what they want. Which I always found to be good deal
The problem is when people say lets take the party back who are they taking it back from? I see people that call themselves conservatives rant against the Christian Right. I see people rant against the Liberatarians. We have seen a ton of ranting against the business sector. It is in the end a Coalition. Maybe we are tiring of each other or perhaps the net and talk radio and cable news just gives to much a voice to one segment therefore it is amplyfied far beyond their political strength
I can cut a hole in a fence in about five minutes. I can kill a surveillance sensor (or simply steal the damn thing) in about one minute.
But would you knowing that either of those two acts would add 10 years to the 10 you would get for illegally entering the country?
while we’re at it, you left an italics html open in that post that you need to close.
Lsu
Sir the source of the problem here was a poor piece of legislation that was terribly presented and manipulated.
Talk radio only pointed it out and rightly so.
Sounds like you are trying to kill the messenger.
Cobalt said:
That’s some pretty harsh words, even for a lib and I think you owe a lot of hispanics an apology.
Wow. More name calling from AJ. Color me shocked.
Cobalt, no one here hates Hispanics. Some of us don’t like people that are in this Country illegally. I don’t see why some people can’t seem to distinguish between illegal alien and Hispanic. Are you trying to say that everyone who is Hispanic is an illegal alien?
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“Lsu
Sir the source of the problem here was a poor piece of legislation that was terribly presented and manipulated.
Talk radio only pointed it out and rightly so.
Sounds like you are trying to kill the messenger.”
No I am not trying to kill anything. But talk radio tends at times (with exceptions) to just tell what segment of the audience it wasnts to hear. It is view it was a piece of legislation. In reality it was part of the process that would be tinkered with more in the House and the discussion wouold have continued.
Talk radio servesa purpose. But fair and balanced it is generally not. Nor do I advocate it should be in all cases. LEt the market reign.
Also, I am not just referring to this bill. THe Dubai terminals lease deal and how they handled that discussion broke my patience on the whole
Getting back to the original post, it just seems funny to me that the main reason for the problem to begin with, for decades just to remind you, has been ignoring the laws on the books, and reducing the resources for enforcing the laws in the first place. Remember, we are talking a reduction of resources going back to the 70’s.
Now, they propose to fix those problems by forgiving the sins of the past (ignoring the laws again) and increasing border security resources. This has been promised before (remember Ronald Reagan), and all that was actually done was amnesty. The additional resources never came, and the resources that were there shrunk.
After reading and researching as best as I could, the same tread is not only possible, but highly probable. And, the resources that ‘honest’ illegals would use to gain amnesty would soak up what little resources are there to locate the criminals among them that have no interest in letting the gov’t know about them. And, it will encourage more to cross just to wait until the next shot at amnesty, still giving the criminals a ‘community’ to hide out in plain sight.
Until we stop the huge leaks in the boat, it really doesn’t seem to make sense to bail with a thimble.
oh what a wonderful day. as predicted, starting in august 2005, that no bill would pass that put enforcement second instead of first and separate. so as all you folks keep jumping up and down in your playpens never forget that crisis provides opportunity.
with so many of you hand wringers and chin pullers crying out that you meant it this time, unlike the last forty years, to truly enforce the border because it is priority number 1, here is your chance. the visa bill from 1996 and the fence act from 2006 are still on the books. simply enforce those two laws, not the other myriad acts since the 1960’s, just these two to keep it simple. if the congress, homeland security and the president would do that their comprehensive immigration amnesty bill would pass with flying colors.
don’t hold your breath. these laws will not be enforced as the last 40 years have proven. all the BS venting by this bills’s supporters were just that. they never, ever want border enforcement. the president desrves the tar and feathering he is getting. why? because he has been first and foremost a disengenerous politician when it comes to immigration. he has had six years to secure the border with 9/11 as an added incentive. he has done nothing of consequence. on his watch 5 million people have simply strolled across the border. he deserves his fate.
the status quo never felt so good. 18 states have started to enforce their own immigration reform. i expect the trend to continue. because of that i also expect a new bill that puts security first. then a separate bill with the freebies…..
things are looking up!
Lsu
Kill was in the rhetorical sense.
If talk radio is only preaching to the choir, just how did they change any minds?
I am just suggesting your ire is misdirected. The bill was the problem not talk radio.
And guess what, I have not listened to one minute of talk radio during this whole debate. I was to busy concentrating on the bill itself and all the faults that needed to be fixed.
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“don’t hold your breath. these laws will not be enforced as the last 40 years have proven. all the BS venting by this bills’s supporters were just that. they never, ever want border enforcement.”
Thank you Patrick for telling me that I thought that. Silly me I thought I wanted the Verfication and ID card enforced. I must have a personality disorder
It’s interesting that the unions were against the Dubai Ports deal and the immigration bill…