Jun 29 2007
Remember When All We Had To Do Was Enforce The Laws?
Like all good PR campaigns that are meant to create a mob-mentality approach, the sound bite is employed to make a complex issue seem so simple – even a caveman could do it. The truth is, sound bites are usually misleading or out and out lies. Seems we have been lied to – we can’t just enforce the laws – according to Malkin and others who said that was all we had to do:
The Executive Office for Immigration Review — a federal agency made up of the U.S. Immigration Court system and its appellate body, the Board of Immigration Appeals — is the centerpiece of a largely unknown permanent amnesty for illegal aliens and criminal alien residents within the U.S. Department of Justice.
With the complicity of the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security, the EOIR litigation bureaucracy forms the hidden piece of the puzzle of institutionalized mass immigration in the federal government.
Deportation of foreign nationals in the United States is largely voluntary.
The lengthy EOIR system of hearings and appeals enables illegal aliens and criminal alien residents to remain in the United States both legally and illegally.
EOIR and the INS enable the vast majority of detained aliens facing deportation to be released back to the streets on an immigration bond or paroled out of federal custody during the EOIR hearing process, giving every non-detained illegal alien and criminal alien the option of disappearing back into the United States regardless of the outcome of their Immigration Court hearings.
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Michelle Malkin agrees that the EOIR and BIA bureaucracy should be abolished — Book Review of “INVASION”
Yep folks, as I tried to warn everyone – we cannot simply enforce the laws. We need to rewrite them. Which was what the Bill would START to do. Again, thanks to Michelle and others we now are stuck with possibly a million illegal alien, convicted criminals on our streets for the foreseeable future. What a victory!
I forgot to add: It must be part of that diabolical Democrat plan to destroy the GOP that made these people mislead everyone – right? Credibility is fundamental in politics. A lot of loose cannons just shot the hell out of the GOP’s credibility and got us – NOTHING!
Update: Folks, I strongly suggest you read the comments. The hypochondriacs are now changing their stories. They knew all along existing laws would not work. Now one claims it was lack of paperwork to congress which drove him to stop the progress and another now says it was never going to work. But the best comment is from reader Crosspatch, who notes that this IS the legal process on the books. THEREFORE, any immigrant who is in this process IS LEGAL!
Yeah, been trying to tell people for a long time that there really is no law to enforce. There is no penalty for being here against regulations UNLESS you have already been deported and come back again by clandestine means. THEN it is a crime. But a person remaining here on a legitimate visa (about 50% of “illegalsâ€) faces no penalty other then *possible* deportation and that usually hinges on them waiving their hearing process. If they go through the hearing process, it can take years to be deported or they might simply be allowed to stay, particularly if they have children who are US citizens.
Legal process makes them legal. And since this is an unending process they can be here indefinitely. Ladies and Gentlemen – it was all a sham! The far right lied to you. We cannot do ANYTHING by simply enforcing the laws. It was a PR slogan. As I noted this was WELL KNOWN by the Amnesty Hypochondriacs. It is not silent amnesty to have torpedoed this bill. It was LEGAL AMNESTY! As long as this legal process is not overhauled – then these people are here LEGALLY if they follow the current process. Shamnesty? Someone’s glass house just shattered.
Merlin,
Stop dreaming. There is no second bill coming. I warned the far right this would happen. I doubt it will be even picked up on 2009 – especially if it is a GOP President. If a Dem wins the GOP will have to filibuster a Dem package because it will be real amnesty.
Dude, the hypochondriacs screwed the pooch royally on this. You want to be one of them? Fine. But don’t insult my intelligence or anyone elses. There is NO WAY to do anything under current law. And there is no new bill coming for 2-10 years.
I, unlike the hypochondriacs, was not exaggerating. Wake up man. There is NOTHING coming.
LOL! The hypochondriacs still believe the magic ‘current laws’ tooth fairy exist! How quaint. FE, I posted an actual case where convicted murderers were being allowed to stay in the country.
Get clue – you folks screwed up. The current laws won’t work and no one is going to touch this subject again for years.
Welcome to your nightmare.
Laughing Boy, wake up and get the sky off your head.
AJ
I don’t know if there is or isn’t.
I am just suggesting a way to do some fixes rather than leaving it a totally dead issue. I think that is constructive.
I am not insulting your intelligence, I am just presenting an opinion of something that can be done and would help. That is a far cry from kill the bill and just shut up.
You may very well be right that nothing else is coming, part of that is political reality of the moment, but since realistic alternatives exist to do some correction rather than nothing then the original motives of those who presented this bill can be brought into question.
Do you think Bush has anymore “political capital” to spend on immigration reform. According to David Frum, Bush may not even have “political capital” to continue the GWOT.
Furthermore, hissyfitting republicans have no effect on their counterparts in the opposition party. Do you honestly think that individual components of this bill will pass the Congress? It wont work that way. Both sides exhibited strong feeling against this bill. Thats why this issue was so heated. The catch is that repubs disagreed on certain parts of the bill while dems disagreed on totally different parts. HENCE THE NEED FOR A COMPROMISE TO GET IMMIGRATION REFORM MOVING.
Bush made this compromise possible because of his views on immigration. He was willing to meet in the middle (with a slant towards the right, in my opinion) but hissyfitters wanted all or nothing. Well they got it. Great…now what do we do….hissyfit because Bush didnt get anything done? Its not his fault. Its the hissyfitters who throw a tantrum because they can’t have it all.
LOL! The hypochondriacs still believe the magic ‘current laws’ tooth fairy exist!
Actually, the amnesty pimps that thought the bill had a magic bullet are delusional
Magic bullet=Arlen Spector, now it makes sense.
Unfortunately, we had to rely on Harry Reid run the Senate. Which is a definite disadvantage.
And Ted Kennedy…UGH!!!!!
Furthermore, hissyfitting republicans have no effect on their counterparts in the opposition party. Do you honestly think that individual components of this bill will pass the Congress? It wont work that way. Both sides exhibited strong feeling against this bill. Thats why this issue was so heated. The catch is that repubs disagreed on certain parts of the bill while dems disagreed on totally different parts. HENCE THE NEED FOR A COMPROMISE TO GET IMMIGRATION REFORM MOVING.
Reader you notice you talked about hissyfitting republicans and Both sides exibited
Gee trying to have it both ways are you?
Yes individual bills can go through committee to be vetted and fix specific problems.
In fact there are a lot of Senators who right now have a real vested interest to make it happen to mend fences and not just on the border.
Aj in the end the forces of FAIR, NUMBERS USA, and other Tanton groups won. I fear them more than any wacko hispanic fringe group.
I would feel a lot better about yeaterdays defeat if the opposition to this bill has divorced themselves from those extremist. However we have people that made common cause with the Council of Conservative citizens and others int he pursuit of their radical goals. That is what is truly frightening. THe debate has shifted more from “I am just against illegal immigration” to the FAIR stance of bring immigration to a practical stop in this country. In the end that is the real danger. At some point those groups have to be dealt with. Till then the misinformation will continue
Oh, and I can’t resist…
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“Laughing Boy, wake up and get the sky off your head.
Left by For Enforcement on June 29th, 2007”
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Hey FE….I thought you were above calling names. HA HA HA.
Merlin,
It is over. Anyone moaning that fact who opposed the bill is simply in denial as to what they did.
Sorry – but everyone ELSE knew it was the last shot for years to come. Maybe you folks should have included that in your calculations (like the rest of us did).
Laughing is an action, laughing boy. the only name I called you is boy, you’d have to convince me that’s not accurate.
So Merlin,
I guess you are saying there are no hissyfitters on the left side of the aisle? Am I correct in this?
Yeah and those committees (made up of members from both parties) are going to magically shed their partisanship to come up with a bill that satisfies hissyfitters on both sides of the aisle. They will do this even though a comprehensive bill that represented compromises for each individual component packaged together failed.
If you think this is possible, more power to you.
AJ
You seem to keep lumping me in to the just kill the damn bill camp which is totally false.
I was hoping the bill could be fixed and was only trying to be totally impartial in pointing out issues with the bill that needed to be fixed.
When Reid pulled is maneuvers to cluster bomb amendments to the bill, I knew it was dead.
I was doing my best to play it down the middle and am even now offering specific suggestions of ways to continue on.
Which I must say is more than the opponents or the supports of the bill we had are doing.
In case someone missed it:
The losers were on the losing side, the winners were on the winning side.
No Reader, I was pointing out that hissyfitters was a term applied here specifically applied to those pointing out issues with the bill.
Many on this thread whether intended or not seemed to address their ire in that direction and gave scarce attention to all other opposition or even in good faith questioning of the bill.
I hear ya, Merlin.
No, my hissyfitting was relegated to those who harped on one or two pet issues with the bill and called for its death. All those “enforcement first” mantra-spouting individuals as well as those who think I was referring to them (HA HA HA). (reference quote of the day above). Of course we want enforcement……the bill had enforcement components. But alone, these components wouldn’t fly.
I tend to look at the big picture. I did not agree with all parts of the bill, but still, to me, it was a good first step that could lead to a better future. It had a lot of what President Bush espoused to during his campaigns and with which I agreed.
HA HA HA, you forgot to add that.
True that, FE.
HA HA HA.