Jun 29 2007
GOP As Popular As Amnesty Bill
Updates Below
Think America wants the GOP shoved down their throats any more than the immigration bill? Apprently it is a worthwhile question now that they are as popular as the immigration bill:
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. June 26-27, 2007. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3. LV = likely voters. Except where noted, results below are among registered voters.
“Do you approve or disapprove of the job Republicans in Congress are doing?
6/26-27/07
Approve : 30
Disapprove: 56
Unsure: 14
LOL! There’s a success. The GOP destroyed itself by making it as popular as the Bill it defeated. Combine that news with the fact the GOP lost ground over the last month to the Dems in the generic ballot question, going from a 7 point to a 12 point deficit, and one thing is becoming clear: the GOP is not very popular right now. About as popular as ‘amnesty’.
Update: Some GOP’ers are in the bliss of ignorance, saying not to worry! Whistling past the grave? Who knows. CNN has the GOP down 12 points too: 53-41. Two polls, same dismal result. And look at the Presidential head-to-heads. Earlier this year the GOP always led. Now the Dems have a slight edge across the board. Nothing here folks. Just ignore it!! About as truthful as ‘enforce the laws’!
Major Update: Well, the polls are already showing the damage is done and growing with hispanics – a group the GOP needs some support from it they have any hope of winning any non-House races:
According to poll of 502 Hispanics in the field from June 2 through 24, President Bush’s approval rating among this population is 29 percent — low, but not significantly lower than the 32 percent showing Bush puts up among all Americans in Gallup polling. However, when we move from topline results on down to some more internals from the poll, the problems for the Republicans become more clear.
The Gallup survey indicates that 42 percent of Hispanics self-identify as Democrats while a mere 11 percent self-identify as Republican; 39 percent self-identify as Independent. When Independents were asked towards which party, if either, they lean, the Democrats’ numbers go up to 58 percent among Hispanics while the Republicans’ climb to just 20 percent — a remarkable spread. When polling one potential head-to-head contest, that between the Republican Rudy Giuliani and the Democrat Hillary Clinton (who by far garners the greatest support among Hispanics in a Democratic primary, though that could be a facet of her significantly higher name recognition), Clinton leads 66 percent to 27 percent — a far greater margin than the 50 percent to 45 percent spread by which she leads Giuliani among all Americans.
There is a way to fix this. The amnesty hypochondriacs will never face up to it. As long as there is no immigration bill – basically as it is now – then there is no way to demonstrate good faith with these VOTERS (not illegal immigrants). And even if the far right did all of a sudden realize the damage they did and tried to correct it, why would Harry Reid let them?
“I don’t understand why people can’t see the trends that Hispanics are voting just like “white folksâ€.â€
There is nothing racist at all in that. As I have pointed out the goals of assimilation is that people start voting pursuant to their various experences they have. First what is white? That in itself is a fluid term.
THe point I am trying to make is that hispanics are not following the trends(we hope it continues) of a voting bloc that is similar to Native born African Americans. That is why it is sort of silly to go OH NO WE DIDNT GET 50.1 percent of the hispanic vote we are losing them.
For instance Irish, Italians , Catholics used to vote Democrat in some places. In other areas Republican. Are we not seeing that in Florida to some extent where Cubans are no longer going to be Republicans forever because of history. Do we not see that Repblicans are doing quite well in Puerto Rican areas now where a decade ago we did not see that? It is the maturity of an ethnic group. For instance no one talks about the Irish and Italian vote anymore do they?
So yes one day and its accelerating because of the modern economy and spread of information talking about who got the hispanics is likely to be as likely as who got the Italian vote today
That will change though if the GOP does not divorce itself from over the top comments
talk about “girly men” with their panties in a bunch! this is great entertainment with all these hobgoblins and sky is falling shrieks.
but as i said yesterday, with all the support you voiced for securing the border as part of the bill, the visa bill from 1996 and the fence act–all 700 miles of it, await your strong support. these are all funded and on the books. why not turn all your teeth knashing into something constructive.
i’m not holding my breath. i think most of you are open border freaks with a couple of “liberation theology” church types thrown in for flavor.
prediction: the repub party will do just fine, however i had already stated that hillary would get 90% of the black, hispanic and jewish vote–over 20% of the electorate– making her run for the white house very possible. she just needs 30 % of the remainder.
i’m not holding my breath. i think most of you are open border freaks with a couple of “liberation theology†church types thrown in for flavor.
I think you’re a sheethead, so we’re probably even.
prediction: the repub party will do just fine
Just like they did in 1986, 1992, and 2006 after these internal bloodlettings because the same group–the “my way or no way” populist fringe–thinks that the GOP is their personal toy.
“i’m not holding my breath. i think most of you are open border freaks with a couple of “liberation theology†church types thrown in for flavor.”
First I can show you material from the far left and the Liberatarian bent that is for “open borders”. I rarely see anyone that is for the bill an advocate of open borders. In fact most people on the left that have a “open borders” view opposed the bill.
Second, Liberation Theology is hardly evena fad anymore in the United States. It was whimpering along on lifge support in the late 80’s early 90’s. Since Liberation Theology is often associated with the Catholic Church let me clear. The Churches view on immigration policy as so nicely put forth by John Paul the II is not “liberation Theology”
yea, if i made a racist remark, I’d try to show why it isn’t racist also
everyone says “white folks” everyone talks of Hispanics voting in blocks, like the” of a voting bloc that is similar to Native born African Americans.”
So blacks vote like blacks, whites vote like whites and hispanics vote like hispanics,
I said one time if you wanted to keep animals out of your yard you would put up a fence and the host said that was racist and I got a firm warning. but he apparently doesn’t see all your racist comments as racist and Readers ‘spade’ comment as racist.
Guess that comes from being an Independent.
FE, “apple polishing, name calling brigade”.
While AJ seems to resent any name calling from far rightwingers that he can find on the internet, he had no problem calling me names or letting Terrye call me a “prick”.
But then, I am not a member of the “brigade”. (slaps forehead)
retire05
Whatever retire. Again there is a view as seeing the latino/hispanic vote as one huge mass that thinks alike. IT never was that. Even business has started to figure that out
Yes there are voting blocs. One reason the African American vote is bloc democrat in reality is because of numerous small mistakes the party made in it history. It did not have to be that way. The reason why Italians and Irish for so long were Dems was that the GOP unoffically ran on wonderful slogans like Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion
No need to repeat bad parts of history if we can help it. Especially as to the “hispanic vote” that is so multifacted that one really has to work hard for it to come together in political anger. Something we are doing right now.
Cobalt, you could only find 3 elections out of the last 11 to use as an example: That sounds like you are following the host’s rules of only pointing out the negative and attempting to ignore the rest.
“Just like they did in 1986, 1992, and 2006”
What about 1988, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002 and 2004? Give us the stats on the Repub losses those years.
That’s called (formerly)MSM statistics. I’m especially waiting to hear how 1994 came out. How many seats was it the Repubs lost that year? was it a significant number, guess not or you would have listed it. Ever hear the word? Nah, I won’t ask.
“One reason the African American vote is bloc democrat in reality is because of numerous small mistakes the party made in it history”
Do the African American’s consider Republicans doing away with slavery one of their numerous small mistakes?
I think it was one of their finer moments.
Biglsufan, if you think the Irish and the Italians of the 19th century would be agreeable with the Democrats of today, you are sadly mistaken. They would not be. Also, there is one hugh difference between the Italian and Irish immigrants of the 1800’s and the Latino immigrants of today; the Irish and Italians were extremely loyal and patriotic toward the nation they now called home. The immigrants of today, by the sheer numbers that marched in the streets of LA and Dallas last year waving the flags of their native lands, are not. Also, the previous wave of immigrants wanted no more than the opportunity to work. They did not demand free social services or voting rights.
The immigrants of today have little in common with the immigrants of the 1800’s. But you will never admit that.
“First I can show you material from the far left and the Liberatarian bent that is for “open bordersâ€.”
I hardly ever see anyone claim to be for ‘open borders’ but I fail to see how having a welcoming brigade at the border with food and water and directions to the nearest “make me legal instantly” center can be construed as anything other than ‘open border’
But then being dishonest about true intentions mean little to the amnesty now, amnesty forever crowd.
“What about 1988, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002 and 2004? Give us the stats on the Repub losses those years.
I picked those three elections because they cost us the most. 1992, in particular, gave us 8 years of the Clintons, which we are still paying a grievous price for.
BTW, in 1994, 2002, and 2004, the GOP wingnut brigade understood that they were meant to be seen and not heard. By 2006, they forgot that little rule.
In 1996, 1998, and 2000, they were heard–thankfully less than usual in 2000–and we gradually bled seats. Jim Jeffords would not have been able to flip the Senate in 2001 without 1996 and 1998.
But then being dishonest about true intentions mean little to the amnesty now, amnesty forever crowd.
And, of course, being dishonest about YOUR true intentions means little to you and the rest of the kill-brown-skinned-folks crowd.
What’s wrong, FE, feeling slandered? Tough shit. I’m just repaying you in your own coin.
retire05
It might shock you but the Italians and Irish marched in the streets too. There were protest and yes things were not always pretty. The same old tired complaints and myths about this new wave of immigration was said back then too. The biggest mass lynching in the South was in New Orleans and it involved Italian immigrants. Complaints about how they were not assimilating , not speaking English fuel a mob mentality that went out of control when citizens decide to become vigilattes.
Not everyone waved a Mexican flag and many that did have it as a cultural reference point. NO different than in past immigration waves. I suspect many of them had relatives serving in the military and in IRaq. In fact the first person killed in Iraq was a Marine that came here as a illegal alien. So I would be very careful about talking about people’s patriotism.
Patrick,
Why would I not be for the border enhancements on the books? Do you see me calling for their repeal? Do I need to note EVERYTHING that is going on that I like? We are talking about what’s next, not what’s done.
YEs Enforcement the Abolition of Slavery was one of many fine points for the GOP. There were several others I might add that I try to constanty point out. But liitle things such as Republican reaction or let me say inaction to the horrors that blacks went through during the great Mississippi River flood along with other small things added up.
We need to be careful of perception
R05,
I do not read all the coments. I did not see the ‘prick’ comment. Stop whining. No one is forcing you to post here.
“demonstrate good faith”??? I guess giving away the keys to the kingdom would be a good start? I just can’t understand why any one would want to put into action such a terrible idea? What if we passed a law that allowed criminals to be free if they escaped from prison and submitted an application for a special Zpardon? It really makes no sense, lets just pass a law to pass a law, no matter how bad it is? I think the underlying rational for this law is to get more money in to keep social security solvent for a little longer. No one wanted to fix SS, change it over to a personal account like 401K, so why not pull in more tax payers (legalize illegals, and tax them). At least until the generations that deserves SS are gone, and a newer one that may believe in letting the free market do the work of building their retirement packages. It’s a kick the can band aid to hopefully fix two things but obviously failing at both. Every one who wants this to pass think about Castro cleaning out his prisons and shipping them to Florida.
The only sense of satisfaction which will be of no worth to me or my beloved America, is seeing all those who blasted the republican party into smitherines get absolutely NOTHING they want done in ’08-’16. N-o-t-h-i-n-g. Eight years of nothing but liberal agendas being implemented, ACLU agendas. And a liberal supreme court for another 40 years minimum. Book it.
Unbelievable. But maybe that’s the only position these people can handle: the minority position that can only block legislation, not accomplish anything.
And what is most incredulous to me is that they don’t trust George W. Bush who has kept them, their children, their grandchildren and great-grandchildren safe since 9/11-the toughest job mayber ever in the history of the presidency…given them the best economy in 50 years, lower taxes, and is the only president to TAKE IT DIRECTLY TO THE TERRORISTS.
In essence, this is an indictment on them and not George W. Bush.
’08 will be a cakewalk for George Soros and Hillary Clinton…”I pledge allegiance to the America that COULD be…” You all got that? *Could* be and will be under her r-u-l-e.
You know its too bad the immigration bill can’t be pressed in the House.
First it would have full hearings so people could not complain about that. BUt what if God forbid it passed. I expectif the Senate Republicans that fought for this bill thought this would really go to a conference committee then the 60 votes could be found . We could rescue ourselves from this situation.