Jul 02 2007
Immigrant Wife Of Missing Soldier Gets Green Card
Good news today as the immigrant wife (here in the US illegally) was provided a green card as she awaits word of her husband’s fate. No word when the mob of angry GOP amnesty hypochondriacs plan to storm the woman’s home and take the card back from this evil criminal woman who is flouting the laws of America – while she waits to learn if she is now the widow of a heroic US serviceman. Word is the hypochondriacs, probably led by Rep “purify my culture” Tancredo, will take action once it is certain her husband is dead and her ties to America are severed so they can march her to the border and dump her.
The problem with that, Rick, is that for a variety of reasons (not enough funding, poor organization, contradictory laws that are a mess, and on and on) the government is never going to do a credible job of enforcing current laws. And that doesn’t just apply to the current group, but to any conceivable officeholders.
So placing that as a precondition is a guarantee that nothing will change. I don’t think it will – immigration reform is dead now, and we’ve reached a point where it’s far easier for any side to block any bill or plan than it is to pass. When compromise becomes a dirty word, the result is always stagnation.
I think we’re now locked into a policy of doing nothing at all about a constantly growing problem until the problem finally gets so huge that nothing except desperate, emergency measures will be possible. Meanwhile, the law on the books becomes more irrelevant every day.
WWS,
Yep, you nailed it. Compromise means progress, so now progress is a dirty word. Of course stangnation is failure. And anyone can do nothing for years. Which is why America is so fed up with the far left and far right in this country. They do nothing and gloat like they saved humanity from certain doom.
Sort of silly actually.
I find it a more than a little strange to see WWS claim we cannot enforce our laws and then AJ support that. In making that claim, then you are also claiming that any enforcement provisions in the comprehensive reform were not only invalid and unenforceable, but also marked the comprehensive reform as not comprehensive.
So, if you really believe that, what was the real point of the comprehensive reform bill except amnesty for those already here and a continuation and growth of exactly the problem we already have?
This seems like pretty circular reasoning to me. I am used to the left giving up because something is too hard, but I am surprised to see it here, too.
Rick
Rick C,
Your confused because you are not paying attention to what I and many have been saying. Comprehensive meant border enahncements, shoring up deportation laws, a guest worker program and Z-Visas for those here long term but who stayed out of trouble.
What is incomnprehensible is the pretzel logic used by the amnesty hypochondriacs to cover up for their abysmal failures! LOL!
Current laws are full of holes and cannot do what is needed to be done. All of a sudden the “enforce the laws’ lies from the far right are coming into the open.
No AJ. I am not confused. WWS said “the government is never going to do a credible job of enforcing current laws”. You then said “Yep, you nailed it”. So, the end result is that you both said we could not enforce current laws. There was little new in the enforcement provisions of the comprehensive reform bill, so it follow that the government would be unable to enforce any of those provisions.
You then mention that the current laws are full of holes. There is no need of a comprehensive bill to close the holes you see.
You really need to learn how to support your arguments rather then relying on “ad hominems”. Is that why you are continuously LOL. Every single paragraph in the above post contained an “ad hominem”.
Rick
Rick C,
You missed what part of his comment or which I comment I was responding to. He was simply pointing to the lame excuses used by the do nothings. Government’s imperfections are not an excuse to not act. And if you paid attention you would have seen me post THAT 100 times.
Why do you think I need to repeat myself to you hypochondriacs so much? Is it me who cannot communicate or you folks who cannot process what I say over and over and over and over and over and over…..
There is another conversation going on regarding this topic that has grown out of a letter to the editor at the Sun-Sentinel (FLL)
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/T3616MTF0QNQBFMPV
Max’s response follows mine and points out some of the serious flaws in the Senate bill.
AJ says: “Government’s imperfections are not an excuse to not act”. I disagree. Certainly, we can often solve 80% of a problem with 20% of the effort. But, this bill was little more than a wing and a prayer on the enforcement side.
As I argued, the government has lost all trust on the enforcement side. Many of us prefer to do nothing rather than lose the opportunity to do a credible job. Because, once this bill passes, it will not be revisited until there are another 20 million illegal immigrants. Few of us expect perfection from our government, but we do expect better than what was offered and a few “trust us” promises.
This bill failed because neither the right nor the left liked it. It was not a compromise. It was a force feeding. As much as I don’t like the Democrats controlling the government, I am not going to accept something that turns out to be less than a mediocrity in the spirit of “compromise” or “we have to do something” or “we will lose the next election”. And, in the end, that is what the bills few supporters were offering us.
Rick
quote: “Many of us prefer to do nothing rather than lose the opportunity to do a credible job.”
The opportunity to do a credible job has already been lost. Congress is not going to revisit any of this. What you hear about in the House is a minority motion with little support that might provide grist for a few election ads in a handful of races in 2008, but that is all.
“there is a tide in the affairs of men….” well, you know how the rest goes. We’ve missed the tide, and the country has missed the boat.