Jul 03 2007
GOP Wants More Disaster On Immigration
Think the amnesty hypochondriacs were appeased with their disasterous “Do Nothing Now” tanking of the immigration bill? LOL! Think again. The far right is now feeling its oats and is going to try and ram down everyone else’s throats their fantasies about immigration reform – naively still thinking they have the country behind them:
House Republicans are planning to use the ashes of the Senate immigration bill to resurrect the debate on border security.
The GOP leadership move to go on offense on immigration is politically tricky. While polls show that most Americans back stronger border-security measures, some House Republicans — such as then-Rep. J.D. Hayworth (Ariz.) — faced strong criticism last year for their so-called “hard-line†approach. Hayworth subsequently lost to Rep. Harry Mitchell (D) in last year’s midterm elections.
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Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) said he expected many of his members to line up behind a bill crafted by King and Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), ranking member on the Judiciary Committee.
“I think many of us will be supporting the Lamar Smith/Peter King bill,†Blunt said. “I actually think it carves out a special spot for temporary workers for agriculture. The concern that House Republicans have and have had for some time now is the order in which these things are accomplished.â€
A draft of the Smith-King legislation includes an increase in the size of the Border Patrol and would boost the number of Customs and Border Protection Officers at U.S. ports by 1,000 people over four years. It would also expedite the removal of individuals in the country illegally, make English the national language and refine the system that verifies the identities of those applying for employment in the United States.
Note it does not address the 12 million illegals here now. Oh well, another couple of months of berating the culture and societies of our neighbors to our south – what could be the harm in that? It will be interesting to watch Bush. If I have him pegged he is going to push for the full comprehensive bill again. I am not sure if he will bow down to the hypochondriacs – though there is nothing wrong with the proposals, they just won’t do anything about national security as the other bill did. All our threats come from legal entry, not field hands crossing the border.
This should be interesting to watch. It seems the GOP wants more disaster on immigration – they have not torn the party apart to their satisfaction yet. Don’t be confused. This is a purity push. They want to get moderates on the record as to not being far right enough. Given democrat control of both houses this BS is going nowhere – so it has another purpose. A “cleaning house” purpose. It also is a lame attempt to show that the GOP can do more than “Nothing Now”! Which of course it cannot. It will be more acrimony and zero progress from the party that has mastered the art of going in circles with violent intensity.
…naively still thinking they have the country behind them:
House Republicans are planning to use the ashes of the Senate immigration bill to resurrect the debate on border security…
So, you don’t think the country wants the border secured? What are you, some kind of Security Hypochondriac?
smill,
Don’t push your welcome here. I have always been for ALL elements of the comprehensive reform. Even the ones supported by the amnesty hypochondriacs.
The deal is the hypochondriacs are the ones who cannot broach compromise or dealing with the long term illegals here now.
But as you can tell, my patience with these folks is at an all time low and I am in no mood to read comments that insult me from this crowd.
No, it doesn’t address the 12 million already in this country but it will slow down the immigrants from illegally entering our country. It is not 100% solution but it would certainly help reduce it.
Ya think that Bush will push it again? Hopefully, this time they will push it through the committees and subcommittees. Problem is that these committees and subcommittees are led by the Democrats so negotiations may be difficult.
Threats coming from legal status. Good, they are easily tracked or if not, then there are ways to track them.
“High Flying Political Debate”
I’m not seeing any debate.
I hate to bring up inconvient facts. Especially these economic facts but we see in the News
U.S. Manufacturing Sector to Expand
“The nation’s factories, plants and utilities should continue picking up steam in coming months, a research group said Monday, suggesting hardy consumer spending and moderating inflation are boosting confidence among manufacturers.
The Institute for Supply Management said that its manufacturing index rose to 56 in June. The reading marked the fifth consecutive month of growth.
The reading was above the May reading of 55 and higher than the market expectation of 55.4.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/02/ap3877213.html
More at the link. As I keep saying we are in a situation where there are no Americans for. I am also for expansion and thank God. But the question is where are these workers going to come from HMMMMMMMMM. I mean every month mor ebaby boomers are retiring causing more strain.
This is reason 10456 why the proposed cure as to the illega l alien problem is worse than the disease.
…But the question is where are these workers going to come from HMMMMMMMMM…
But why do we have to pull these workers from Mexico, a country that has territorial designs on the US? There are lots of countries in the world, you know. Large, dense populations of people whose loyalties are to Mexico is not at all healthy for this country. With controlled immigration, we could pick and choose from whence they come, rather than having the border crashers breaking in and making demands.
Smill,
Then leave. All you do is complain.
Lurker,
I doubt Bush will push it because all this is is his comprehensive reform without the comprehensive packages. The fence is funded and can be handled anytime. Unless the 12 million are dealt with there is no Visa reform.
Nope, he will let the far right spin their wheels. He owes them nothing after all the crap he got from them. Remember, he is El Presidente Jorge, traitor to America!
Yeah, right. I wouldn’t lift a finger for the fools.
Note it does not address the 12 million illegals here now.
Why should it? This is a point you have steadfastly refused to accept. The majority do NOT see the need to address this problem yet. The majority want the border secured first.
You can not seem to come to terms with that reality. Neither could the people behind the polls you kept citing.
Did you ever wonder about the disparity in the polls you were citing and Rasmussen? The polls you cited PROVED BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF A DOUBT that Americans are not racists, are not immigration hypochondriacs, and are compassionate people (too compassionate for our own good sometimes). The disparity between those polls and the Rasmussen polling is that your polls never asked the question of what people wanted to see occur first. Rasmussen did! And what he found was that the overwhelming majority wanted to see the border secured first!! Once that was done, then deal with the people already here.
But you just can’t seem to get your head around that. I don’t understand why that is. Even if you disagree with that approach, at least you should be able to acknowledge that is the approach the majority wanted. But you just can’t seem to acknowledge that fact.
Oh well, another couple of months of berating the culture and societies of our neighbors to our south …
Bull crap! There may be a few people berating the culture of someone, but they are the exception. Most people are not berating the Hispanic culture. You consistently go out and find the extreme postings from some hate filled whackos and refer to them as if they somehow represent the majority in this nation. They do not.
All our threats come from legal entry, not field hands crossing the border.
All our threats. Have you forgotten that three of the Fort Dix Six entered illegally from the Mexican border????
And how we can know the source of current or future threats? We can’t, can we? For all you and I know there could be 1,000 current al Qaeda operatives in this country who all got here by illegally crossing one of our borders.
“But why do we have to pull these workers from Mexico, a country that has territorial designs on the US? There are lots of countries in the world, you know. Large, dense populations of people whose loyalties are to Mexico is not at all healthy for this countrY”
I have some intereaction with recent immigrats and even undocumented from Mexico. I can assure you by being involved int he “mimistry” aspect of this these people don’t have secret designs on this Country or are in cahoots with Mexico. The extremeist and few University Profs that talk about this have little to do with the common Mexican Maerican person.
If you think this is a serious problem then I suggest you ask some of the Mexican Americans that are children of immigrants that are dying and serving in Iraq. This demographic is a increasing part of our amrmed services that are showing very high retention rates. I think that show examples of loyalty more than any supposed “plot”
…Yeah, right. I wouldn’t lift a finger for the fools…
AJ–
Yet more name-calling? You can dish it, but you sure can’t take it. Unbelievable. High Flying Debate? Middle School Crap is more like it.
It addresses the illegals already here, by deporting them. That is a sure fire way to A: make sure the bill is never passed to begin with or B: break the economy if it is passed. This is the pertinent part:
” It would also expedite the removal of individuals in the country illegally, make English the national language and refine the system that verifies the identities of those applying for employment in the United States.”
I would say that people not learning their lesson from the 06 elections will have a chance to learn it in the 08 elections. Americans don’t hate Mexicans. But apparently some right wingers do.
You know AJ if this is all pushed then why dont we push the Strive act in Congress. I mean if they want this pushed then we can push the Strive act. What happens if because of this the Strive act is passed!!!!!
I am willing to bet that the 60 votes would magically appear for passage in the Senate so a bill could go to conference
There might be a politcal opportunity here. Why don’t we take advantage of it
A draft of the Smith-King legislation includes an increase in the size of the Border Patrol and would boost the number of Customs and Border Protection Officers at U.S. ports by 1,000 people over four years.
Whoop-de-doo! Yes, adding 250 new CBP officers per year between now and 2012 will surely secure the border . . .
What are these people smoking? If one is REALLY serious about “securing the border,” then one nees to add at least 100,000 new federal employees–and, at best, one has secured the southern land border. The coastlines are not secured in this scenario, and neither is the US-Canadian border.
2,100 miles of US-Mexican border. 19,000 miles of US land and sea frontier. That’s a LOT of bodies.
I’m about to borrow a concept from endoatmospheric ballistic missile defense (BMD).
A guest worker program acts on the illegal immigration problem as the atmosphere does in terminal-phase BMD; it neutralizes the decoys (inflatable balloons in BMD, would-be lettuce pickers and toilet cleaners in immigration). The remaining reentry vehicles are genuine warheads in BMD (thus making the defenses more effective); people crossing the border illegally (which would be a lot fewer in number) could be presumed to be up to no good, and a different set of ROEs put in place to deal with them (which would make border enforcement more effective).
Poor smill, his immaturity and crying got him the boot. I see a pattern here for the GOP – dump the garbage so the adults can do something useful.
Right on, AJ!
Did you all see Malkin last night on O’Reilly? Vdare will be so proud.
Unbelievably rude, sarcastic, angry and just downright nasty.
She wants all of us to mistrust the government. That is her schtick.
Not an O’Reilly fan anymore and if I saw Michelle on I hate to admit I would probably change the channel. I really admired her on so many subjects, but she imploded on immigration and Dubai Ports.
if I saw Michelle on I hate to admit I would probably change the channel.
She is guest hosting all week. I think at 8:00 pm, you will want to be elsewhere.
Looks like you must be in total agreement to post here anymore. That’s a shame, but that is your right.
Take care, I see along with Debbie Schlussel that Enforcement, Retire05, and probubly a few others have been banned. I read the posts last night that troubled you, but failed to see what they said that was bad. I guess I missed it.
Off to the gas station, to AJ, and those left, take care and enjoy the day. Have a great 4th of July!!
Okay, so you spend a few hundred million to build a fence. Now a drug cartel spends a couple of hundred to bulldoze a hole in it in the middle of the night. So you fix that hole and they make another one someplace else. It is going to be a never-ending game of whack-a-mole.
It is against the law to use federal troops for border security since that is defined as a police function (enforced by the Border Patrol) and federal troops are, under the posse comitatus act, not permitted to perform police functions.
This is actually why Bush didn’t federalize National Guard troops to send to the border, he had a ASK the governors to do it. NG troops under the command of the State Governors don’t fall under the posse comitatus act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
The right has managed to create a crisis where there wasn’t one. There *IS* a security problem and that would be addressed by getting illegals registered but they are using the security issue to “solve” a different problem that doesn’t exist. Ejecting all those workers is an economic issue, not a security issue and doing so would pretty much wreck the economy in many areas.
Oh well, another couple of months of berating the culture and societies of our neighbors to our south – what could be the harm in that
Mexican “society” has an underlying racism against the dark-skinned indigenous citizens of Mexico. They deserve all of the belittling they get.