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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4352/comment-page-1#comment-211899</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it something how important it is to the socalled anti war people for Iraq to be &quot;worse&quot;? One would think that if they were pacifists and all, they would actually hope for peace and success in Iraq, rather than cling pathetically to every bit of bad news they can find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it something how important it is to the socalled anti war people for Iraq to be &#8220;worse&#8221;? One would think that if they were pacifists and all, they would actually hope for peace and success in Iraq, rather than cling pathetically to every bit of bad news they can find.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Violence in Iraq was up this month because of that one big attack. But otherwise numbers were better. Troop casualties were down too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Violence in Iraq was up this month because of that one big attack. But otherwise numbers were better. Troop casualties were down too.</p>
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		<title>By: MerlinOS2</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4352/comment-page-1#comment-211822</link>
		<dc:creator>MerlinOS2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ

The hot news today will be President Bush&#039;s visit to Iraq, but something that has been lost is things like&lt;a href=&quot;http://aliveinbaghdad.org/2007/09/03/iraqs-al-aimma-bridge-a-memory-against-sectarianism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this post by an Iraq blogger &lt;/a&gt;which says volumes.

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  Although recently a bombing killed more than 500 people in an area dominated by Yezidis, a little known religious group in northern Iraq, the Al-Aimma bridge tragedy has been the &lt;a href=&quot;http://ejectiraqikkk.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_archive.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;worst single event in the war&lt;/a&gt;. Last year we brought you a story from Sami Rasouli, &lt;a href=&quot;http://aliveinbaghdad.org/2006/09/01/node252/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;who told about Othman Ali Al-Obeidi&lt;/a&gt;, who is famous in Iraq because he had a Sunni name, but his fatherâ€™s name, Ali, is traditionally a Shiâ€™a name. Othman was on the Iraqi swimteam and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.idao.org/2005/09/against-tahkfir-and-sectarianism.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;died saving Shiâ€™a pilgrims from drowning in the Tigris&lt;/a&gt;. The second anniversary of the tragedy has just passed, so we are again remembering Othman and the other brave Iraqis who stood against sectarianism.
  
  Other media agencies are falling over themselves to discuss the onset of a civil war in Iraq. It is important to take these discussions with a grain of salt. That is not to say sectarian violence, ethnic cleansing, and general chaos, insecurity, and disorder are a daily experience in Baghdad, they are. But the violence may be more organized than now discussed. Just over a year ago, Der Spiegel reported on the experience of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,406342,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another man living near the Al-Aimma Bridge&lt;/a&gt;. He made it clear that the violence is not the crazed killings of madmen, but organized political violence.
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ</p>
<p>The hot news today will be President Bush&#8217;s visit to Iraq, but something that has been lost is things like<a href="http://aliveinbaghdad.org/2007/09/03/iraqs-al-aimma-bridge-a-memory-against-sectarianism/" rel="nofollow"> this post by an Iraq blogger </a>which says volumes.</p>
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<p>  Although recently a bombing killed more than 500 people in an area dominated by Yezidis, a little known religious group in northern Iraq, the Al-Aimma bridge tragedy has been the <a href="http://ejectiraqikkk.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow">worst single event in the war</a>. Last year we brought you a story from Sami Rasouli, <a href="http://aliveinbaghdad.org/2006/09/01/node252/" rel="nofollow">who told about Othman Ali Al-Obeidi</a>, who is famous in Iraq because he had a Sunni name, but his fatherâ€™s name, Ali, is traditionally a Shiâ€™a name. Othman was on the Iraqi swimteam and <a href="http://www.idao.org/2005/09/against-tahkfir-and-sectarianism.xml" rel="nofollow">died saving Shiâ€™a pilgrims from drowning in the Tigris</a>. The second anniversary of the tragedy has just passed, so we are again remembering Othman and the other brave Iraqis who stood against sectarianism.</p>
<p>  Other media agencies are falling over themselves to discuss the onset of a civil war in Iraq. It is important to take these discussions with a grain of salt. That is not to say sectarian violence, ethnic cleansing, and general chaos, insecurity, and disorder are a daily experience in Baghdad, they are. But the violence may be more organized than now discussed. Just over a year ago, Der Spiegel reported on the experience of <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,406342,00.html" rel="nofollow">another man living near the Al-Aimma Bridge</a>. He made it clear that the violence is not the crazed killings of madmen, but organized political violence.</p>
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		<title>By: owl</title>
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		<dc:creator>owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush in Iraq.....heard it very early this morning on ABC.  So I listened to hear if they could identify exactly his location.   Their Martha sure tried but the kicker came from the other ABC reporter.  They just can not help themselves.  They hate Bush. 

Lady Vet (over @lucianne&#039;s) asked how long it would be before the first reporter talked about a plastic turkey.  Not long.  Very, very early ABC&#039;s guy said &quot;his first visit, a surprise, where he brought out a plastic turkey for the troops&quot;.   ABC still tops my current list of scumball political operatives playing as  journalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush in Iraq&#8230;..heard it very early this morning on ABC.  So I listened to hear if they could identify exactly his location.   Their Martha sure tried but the kicker came from the other ABC reporter.  They just can not help themselves.  They hate Bush. </p>
<p>Lady Vet (over @lucianne&#8217;s) asked how long it would be before the first reporter talked about a plastic turkey.  Not long.  Very, very early ABC&#8217;s guy said &#8220;his first visit, a surprise, where he brought out a plastic turkey for the troops&#8221;.   ABC still tops my current list of scumball political operatives playing as  journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: Smooth Jazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smooth Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!! Thanks so much for the message. The tide is indeed turning when the MSM HAS to report the good news, unfiltered.  The transformation in Iraq is occuring with such suddenness, that the hapless &quot;Surrender First&quot; Liberals cannot even sense the tide is turning. Keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!! Thanks so much for the message. The tide is indeed turning when the MSM HAS to report the good news, unfiltered.  The transformation in Iraq is occuring with such suddenness, that the hapless &#8220;Surrender First&#8221; Liberals cannot even sense the tide is turning. Keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: gwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It must really be getting bad for the SURREAL SURRENDER COALITION,  when they have to blame the war&#039;s trajectory on the weather. McBridopone has been paying way too much attention to Al Gore.

We withdrew from Beirut, we withdrew from the port of Aden, we withdrew from Mogadishu, and all it got us was the dearth of respect that emboldened the jihad, and became the principal cause of the 9-11 massacre. Withdrawal won&#039;t make Iraq any safer, and it will definitely make any American, anywhere, a target for death. Our enemy is going down to a humiliating defeat, despite the perfidy of the left in this country, and it&#039;s easy to see that a defeat for the jihad in Iraq is also a painful defeat for those who hate Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must really be getting bad for the SURREAL SURRENDER COALITION,  when they have to blame the war&#8217;s trajectory on the weather. McBridopone has been paying way too much attention to Al Gore.</p>
<p>We withdrew from Beirut, we withdrew from the port of Aden, we withdrew from Mogadishu, and all it got us was the dearth of respect that emboldened the jihad, and became the principal cause of the 9-11 massacre. Withdrawal won&#8217;t make Iraq any safer, and it will definitely make any American, anywhere, a target for death. Our enemy is going down to a humiliating defeat, despite the perfidy of the left in this country, and it&#8217;s easy to see that a defeat for the jihad in Iraq is also a painful defeat for those who hate Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 04:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will you hear about your future?  

You can listen to these putzes...or you can listen to the people who&#039;ve actually held the guts of their friends in their hands. 

Yes...mcmegaphone...and it was easier for Clinton to pass on AlQueda to the next president.  They did what they could do..given the congress..the CIA..etc..and the media/public support they had at the time. 

Here&#039;s the difference....Clinton actually knew where Osama was...watched him...and couldn&#039;t kill him.  Today..if given the same opportunity..he&#039;d be toast.  Now..what&#039;s the difference? Come on...you can say it. Why is that so!!  Could it be...no...it couldn&#039;t. could it be because of 9/11??? 

putz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will you hear about your future?  </p>
<p>You can listen to these putzes&#8230;or you can listen to the people who&#8217;ve actually held the guts of their friends in their hands. </p>
<p>Yes&#8230;mcmegaphone&#8230;and it was easier for Clinton to pass on AlQueda to the next president.  They did what they could do..given the congress..the CIA..etc..and the media/public support they had at the time. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the difference&#8230;.Clinton actually knew where Osama was&#8230;watched him&#8230;and couldn&#8217;t kill him.  Today..if given the same opportunity..he&#8217;d be toast.  Now..what&#8217;s the difference? Come on&#8230;you can say it. Why is that so!!  Could it be&#8230;no&#8230;it couldn&#8217;t. could it be because of 9/11??? </p>
<p>putz.</p>
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		<title>By: mcbridopone</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcbridopone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would all be more interesting if it weren&#039;t for the fact that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/world/middleeast/02iraq.html?ex=1346385600&amp;en=ff5882ad493289d5&amp;ei=5090&amp;partner=rssuserland&amp;emc=rss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iraq is more violent than it was this time last year&lt;/a&gt;, and more U.S. troops have died this summer than last.

Yes, violence is slightly down from a few months ago, but that&#039;s a seasonal thing: violence goes down when it&#039;s really really hot. If you compare it to this time last year, you&#039;ll see that Iraq gets worse every year and that the Glorious Surge has accomplished nothing.

So, given the fact that Iraq is getting worse, your only point is that Iraqis don&#039;t like Al-Qaeda. But no one, not even Bush, has ever claimed that Al-Qaeda In Iraq (a different organization from the real Al-Qaeda, anyway) is responsible for the majority of the violence. The fact that the Iraqis don&#039;t like AQ merely proves that AQ won&#039;t take over Iraq when we leave.

So let&#039;s review: Iraq is getting worse, and Bush refuses to do the only thing that could possibly make Iraq better -- implement a phased withdrawal. Instead Bush prefers pretending that violence is down, even though it&#039;s actually up. Why? Because Bush would rather see America defeated and humiliated than admit he was wrong. The longer we stay in Iraq, the worse Iraq gets and the worse America&#039;s defeat becomes. But Bush has decided that American defeat and an Iraq bloodbath is a small price to pay for the ability to blame the next president for withdrawing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would all be more interesting if it weren&#8217;t for the fact that <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/world/middleeast/02iraq.html?ex=1346385600&amp;en=ff5882ad493289d5&amp;ei=5090&amp;partner=rssuserland&amp;emc=rss" rel="nofollow">Iraq is more violent than it was this time last year</a>, and more U.S. troops have died this summer than last.</p>
<p>Yes, violence is slightly down from a few months ago, but that&#8217;s a seasonal thing: violence goes down when it&#8217;s really really hot. If you compare it to this time last year, you&#8217;ll see that Iraq gets worse every year and that the Glorious Surge has accomplished nothing.</p>
<p>So, given the fact that Iraq is getting worse, your only point is that Iraqis don&#8217;t like Al-Qaeda. But no one, not even Bush, has ever claimed that Al-Qaeda In Iraq (a different organization from the real Al-Qaeda, anyway) is responsible for the majority of the violence. The fact that the Iraqis don&#8217;t like AQ merely proves that AQ won&#8217;t take over Iraq when we leave.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s review: Iraq is getting worse, and Bush refuses to do the only thing that could possibly make Iraq better &#8212; implement a phased withdrawal. Instead Bush prefers pretending that violence is down, even though it&#8217;s actually up. Why? Because Bush would rather see America defeated and humiliated than admit he was wrong. The longer we stay in Iraq, the worse Iraq gets and the worse America&#8217;s defeat becomes. But Bush has decided that American defeat and an Iraq bloodbath is a small price to pay for the ability to blame the next president for withdrawing.</p>
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		<title>By: gwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post. The left and its supplicant media simply chose the wrong side to root for. 

Since there will be no formal surrender in this war, we will have to look to certain &quot;benchmarks&quot; to see our victory take shape.  I personally will pay attention to how the jihad attempts to fight. Perhaps we will see a slow but sure lessening of the suicide component in future bombings. Some remote detonations have already begun to appear, indicating a clear lack of willing martyrs.

 I saw recently that &quot;Iraqis&quot; have been attempting to cross our southern border from Mexico, this could be the beginning of capitulation in Iraq, as the jihad will in the end attempt to save face by changing the venue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. The left and its supplicant media simply chose the wrong side to root for. </p>
<p>Since there will be no formal surrender in this war, we will have to look to certain &#8220;benchmarks&#8221; to see our victory take shape.  I personally will pay attention to how the jihad attempts to fight. Perhaps we will see a slow but sure lessening of the suicide component in future bombings. Some remote detonations have already begun to appear, indicating a clear lack of willing martyrs.</p>
<p> I saw recently that &#8220;Iraqis&#8221; have been attempting to cross our southern border from Mexico, this could be the beginning of capitulation in Iraq, as the jihad will in the end attempt to save face by changing the venue.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somethings just take a certain amount of time. Maybe the Iraqis are tired of all this themselves.

Too bad the Palestinians can not get to that place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somethings just take a certain amount of time. Maybe the Iraqis are tired of all this themselves.</p>
<p>Too bad the Palestinians can not get to that place.</p>
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