Oct 05 2007
Rudy vs Hillary
The die is set for 2008, barring something major happening to one of the lead candidates. Hillary is too strong for the other one-term Senate wonders on the Dem side to take her down right now. Hillary, being a 1.5-term Senate wonder has the edge, until someone else comes in to shake it up and no one is out there who could do it in my opinion. As Tom Bevan notes at RCP, that is boosting Guiliani’s chances on the Rep side:
One of Giuliani’s strongest selling points to conservative voters who may be at odds with him on social issues is the promise that he can run the strongest general election campaign of any Republican in the field. Giuliani continually harps on the fact that he scrambles the electoral map, putting states into play that no other Republican can.
But Giuliani’s “electability” argument is enhanced considerably when Republicans envision – as most already do – Clinton winning the Democratic nomination. Case in point: in the NBC/WSJ poll released this week Giuliani holds a 7-point lead over Thompson (30% to 23%) among Republican voters. However, when those same Republican voters were asked which candidate had “the best chance of beating Hillary Clinton in the general election,” Giuliani’s lead over Thompson balloons to 31 points, 47% to 16%.
The nation is going to surprise a lot of people. They are going to put a strong-on-defense Republican in the WH, which will seem odd to many after the Bush years. And they will let the Dems keep a small majority in the Congres, which will look add to many after the Dems wildly unpopular run at leadership. America is going back to the days of stalemate. They know Clinton and the Dems left us too exposed to terrorism and that Bush and the GOP have done a lot to answer al-Qaeda and defend this country.
But they also note the far right has become to harsh and rigid. So they want them to stay away from domestic policy. We have a war raging outside our borders. People do not want a war raging inside them. I think moderates will win the day in the primaries. But the Dems will take Congress because they have come off less harsh. There will be exceptions. I do expext Tom Davis to be the next Senator from VA. Mainly because he is a moderate GOP representative from the critical Northern Virginia area and will win there and across the state if nominated by the GOP.
Political history surrounds us at this moment. The abysmal poll ratings will NOT be a harbinger of what is to come. Because as abysmal as this stalemate is right now – too many people fear tipping the country either left or right at the moment. And probably with good cause.
Anyway, Rudy will beat Hillary and we will finally get the match up the country wanted to see in the first NY Senate race when Rudy had to bow out of the race for medical reasons. Hillary just can’t match up to Rudy.
I can’t remember the last Republican Who ran as a Moderate for the presidency, and won. Perhaps Nixon, I was a bit young to remember that one.
Certainly not Reagan, and when George Bush 1 ran, he ran as someone continuing the Reagan Revolution. Now what was it that did him in again? Hmmmm… I think he went Moderate, reached across the Isle, and raised taxes. And with Ross’s help, we got Clinton in at 43%
Dole ran as a Moderate, and again, with Ross’s help he got 49%
Bush then ran as a “Compasionate Conservate”, not, he did not run as a “Compasionate Moderate”, and he won as well. And, I think manly because of the war, he won re-election.
It seems to me, just judging from that, and how the Candidates in N.C. are doing in the polls, strong conservative leadership wins elections. The Moderate Middle out there seems to respond better to Conservatives than liberals, as long as the conservatives stay conservative, and don’t go wobblie.
If you look at The N.C. delegation, Sue Myrik, Patrick Mc Henry, Walter Jones, and Elizabeth Dole, they are locks for reelection, barring any strange unforseen stuff ahead. And it’s not because they went wobblie, it is because they stayed true to their principles.
What is very interesting is the recent actions of Kyle, Mc Cain and Lindsey Gramnasty. They all have now decided to sign on to Securing The Border now. You don’t think they are now getting back to Conservatism to be reelected do you?
stevevvs,
Rudy won’t run as a moderate, the far right is tagging him as a moderate or centrists. And in today’s climate that is a HUGE plus.
A.J. – from your keyboard to God’s ears. I can live with this scenario! And I think we as a nation can thrive during such a period. Immigrants will be safe and Islamonuts will be on the run and approaching extinction. The Clintons will be banished forever. I’ll take that outcome a heartbeat.
SallyVee,
Sounds great – but so did my 2006 predictions! you have been warned.
Gee, you don’t think he might have earned that tag, do you?
He’s pro Abortion
He was for Gun Restrictions
He was as mayor, pro alien
He loves marriage so much, he’s done it 3 times. But at least not at the same time.
He is strong on defense, for the enforcement of most laws on the books, and probubly won’t raise taxes. Other than those Conservative principles, I think the Moderate tag is not only fair, it’s accurate.
I was thinking the other day when you posted on Clarence Thomas, [who I think is one of the best Justices we have ever had], just who would this rock solid follower of the Constitution and the rule of law want to vote for? I honesty thought it would be one of the candidates that the media ignores. Tancredo or Hunter, maybe Huckaby. I’d love to know.
And for years I’ve been for having all the party nominies in Presidental Debates once the candidates are chosen. It seems un American to me to shut out Parties and Candidates who are on the ballot in enough state to mathmatically win.
I’d like to hear what the candidates have to say from ALL the parties. I might like or dis like what they say, but if they are on the Ballots in enough states, we should hear what they have to say. But the Dem’s and Rep’s don’t really want that, nor do the media, I believe. The only exception I can think of were Anderson and Perot.
Time to go, take care AJ, nice talking with you.
cheers, Stevevvs.
But get used to “President Rudy”. Better than “Her Worshipness Hillary”
Stevevs, when you use the term alien and reference Tancredo as a serious candidate, you pretty much prove A.J.’s points about the Far Right. But I am curious why you didn’t mention Ron Paul or Alan Keyes.
If we have a strong conservative on the ticket in ’08, great. However, Republicans have got to stop losing elections on principle(s). This is how the opposition stays in power. I am pro-life and an NRA member, yet I’d gladly vote for Rudy if he is the GOP nominee. I hate to say this, but I’d even vote for McCainiac (while holding my nose). The point is to keep the Clintons out of the White House.
Seriously — considering that the next president may get to choose at least a couple Supreme Court judges, would you honestly vote 3rd party thus ensuring Hillary’s election?
Kitty,
I agree with you. I am not a McCain fan but he is ten million percent better than Hillary. But the far right would rather punish us if Rudy wins the nomination than support us if he did.
Sally,
Here is what I said:
I was thinking the other day when you posted on Clarence Thomas, [who I think is one of the best Justices we have ever had], just who would this rock solid follower of the Constitution and the rule of law want to vote for? I honesty thought it would be one of the candidates that the media ignores. Tancredo or Hunter, maybe Huckaby. I’d love to know.
Sally
All those running are serious about their candidacies and their issues. I never wrote what you asked.
Alien- That is the Proper term for someone here Illegally. An Immigrant comes here legally.
Aj hates conservatism, I can’t change that, nor do I wish to try anymore. But the very people he chastises, are the ones who believe in following the Constitution, as written, and following the laws on the books, as written. If your proud of the Constitution and the Rule Of Law, it’s hard to see how you can support people who simply don’t have high regard for both.
If you don’t like the Constitution, as written, it should be Amended, not ignored, or injected with Judges person preferences. Same for the laws on the books. They were passed in to law, and they should be followed, or repealed. No one should support people who don’t see it that way, should they? If so, how does that strenghten our Republic?
Ron Paul, Alen Keys- I wasn’t trying to exclude them, sorry, feel free to say something about them. I don’t think C.T. would be for them, but perhaps you do.
My lunch is getting cold, take care.
Kitty,
Republicans have got to stop losing elections on principle(s).
Seriously — considering that the next president may get to choose at least a couple Supreme Court judges, would you honestly vote 3rd party thus ensuring Hillary’s election?
In all seriousness, If you vote for someone you don’t think has principles that are solid, why would you think they would pick solid origionalist for the federal courts?
It would seem to me those that don’t have solid principles, would be darn hard to trust to do the right thing on anything.
LOL!
Stevevvs, you are so funny sometimes. I don’t hate conservatism. I aligned with the GOP because the basic tenants of conservatism are much preferred over liberalism. Responsibility, minimal government, respect of life, low taxes, etc.
What I will not support is radical or extreme conservatism. Even too much water can kill you. As many note your brand of conservatism is (1) not conservatism as supported by the governing coalition of consvervatives and (2) way to extreme for at least half the GOP and conservatives.
LOL! It is not me people have an issue with. Radical conservatives are as repulsive as any other radicals.
Far Side Conservatives are the true aliens in my book…
alien |ˈÄlyÉ™n; ˈÄlÄ“É™n| adjective
• belonging to a foreign country or nation.
• unfamiliar and disturbing or distasteful : bossing anyone around was alien to him
• [ attrib. ] relating to or denoting beings supposedly from other worlds; extraterrestrial : an alien spacecraft.
Stevevs: I will never do anything that could help Hillary get elected. If that means voting for a less-than-stellar Repub, then I will vote for him. A 3rd party candidate does not have a chance, at least in ’08. Period.
The third party scenario is what gets Hillary elected. She cannot win a majority. With a third party she only needs a plurality. If Bill can do it twice, she can do it once. Watch how the Hillary campaign and Soros’ minions will now start to work on wedge issues to widen the allready fractured Republicans. You will hear lots on Rudy’s Proabortion stand, probably, even get a NARAL endorsement. They had one wedge issue in abortion and the Republicans handed them a 2nd with all the bogus Shamnesty talk. Where will the third come from?
Hey SteveVS you are going to fight like hell to even negotiate a decent health care plan with Hillary. Pro-Life, Gun Rights, Immigration, Defense Spending, Land Rights, Property ownership, etc. Will Disapper…….. and take decades if ever to get back. You want that?
AJ: It’s “Her Royal C .” How you define the “C” is up to you ;~) I got banned for a day on L.com when I used that nickname. I appealed to Lucianne directly and my posting privileges were re-instated.
sally,
belonging to a foreign country or nation.
now, if your not here legaly, do you belonging to a foreign country or nation?
kitty,
If that means voting for a less-than-stellar Repub, then I will vote for him. A 3rd party candidate does not have a chance, at least in ‘08. Period.
I agree with the last sentance.
If you had a 16 year old son or daughter, would you want them dating someone who you as the parent thought wasn’t of good character? If not, it’s hard to see why you would want to vote for someone to lead your country with the same questions in your mind.
And I understand not wanting Hitlery, I am extremely affraid of her too! But I just don’t feel comfortable voting for the lesser of two evils. I enthusiasticly voted for GWB twice. But this second term has been a big disapointment for me and everyone I know. In many way, we can’t wait for it to end. But if she wins, I’ll need therapy! I’ve read too many books on her and her hubby. They are dangerous.
AJ,
I don’t hate conservatism. I aligned with the GOP because the basic tenants of conservatism are much preferred over liberalism. Responsibility, minimal government, respect of life, low taxes, etc.
All great qualities for sure. But see, when I took of my Bush Blinders I had on for 5 years, I realized that when I judged his actions, rather than listened spell bindingly to his words, he wasn’t the Conservative I thought, or maybe hoped, he was. The Federal Government has grown more under GWB than any other president in history. It huge! I was hoping at the least that it would not grow larger, more intrusive, etc. But frankly, it’s grown at rates unheard of. I actually would have like to see it shrink! It’s way beyond the reach and scope that our Founding Fathers had envisioned. And the amount of Pork Project on those spending bills he signed into law are stagering.
What I will not support is radical or extreme conservatism.
It is what it is. You wish to redefine the terms is all.
As many note your brand of conservatism is (1) not conservatism as supported by the governing coalition of consvervatives and (2) way to extreme for at least half the GOP and conservatives.
I support the Constitution as written, like Thomas and Scalia. I support the rule of law, and expect the laws, as passed by Congress to be enforced or repealed. What in the world is “Extreme” about that?
I support Legal Immigration
I believe in the right to life, liberty, and the pursute of Happiness.
I don’t support “Sanctuary Cities” as they are against federal law. Either enforce the law, or repeal it.
I just think I’m the defenition of a true Conservative. Perhaps you disagree. Either way, I must go to work now. It’s been fun, you all take care.
Stevevs: “If you had a 16 year old son or daughter, would you want them dating someone who you as the parent thought wasn’t of good character? ”
If only we as parents had had that much sway! We’re beyond that in this home. Out 30-something son maried TWO women who have no character.
Question: For whom will you vote in ’08 if Rudy and Hillary are on the ballots?
PS: I’d hardly classify Rudy as “the lesser of two evils”!
AJ,
The words “moderate Republican” were used to describe Nelson Rockefeller, Javitts, Olympia Snow, Specter etc. How about “pragmatic Republican?”
What happens when Gulianni “moves to the center” after securing the nomination? Then what differentiates him from the Dems?
I think we need to know a little more.