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		<title>By: Dc</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4734/comment-page-1#comment-245679</link>
		<dc:creator>Dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curveball was not a US asset. He was a german intelligence asset...not US. He didn&#039;t trust US, and applied for asylum in Germany.  The germans gave us the intel from curveball. US never had custody of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curveball was not a US asset. He was a german intelligence asset&#8230;not US. He didn&#8217;t trust US, and applied for asylum in Germany.  The germans gave us the intel from curveball. US never had custody of him.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4734/comment-page-1#comment-245633</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Aj, 

If I remember correctly Curveball was giving us misinformation that Saddam had active programs and stockpiles. It could just as easily be argued that the 2005 NIE was based on the information of Iranian dissidents with their own agenda, and that is where the misinformation is.

The point is the Iranians themselves can clear a lot of this up by complying with the UN and cooperating with the international community. If they have indeed stopped that program then there is no reason why they should continue to act stupid about the whole thing.

But my guess is they have mothballed it and they know close scrutiny will show that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Aj, </p>
<p>If I remember correctly Curveball was giving us misinformation that Saddam had active programs and stockpiles. It could just as easily be argued that the 2005 NIE was based on the information of Iranian dissidents with their own agenda, and that is where the misinformation is.</p>
<p>The point is the Iranians themselves can clear a lot of this up by complying with the UN and cooperating with the international community. If they have indeed stopped that program then there is no reason why they should continue to act stupid about the whole thing.</p>
<p>But my guess is they have mothballed it and they know close scrutiny will show that.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathie:

The Israelis were wrong. I am not saying that I think Saddam was innocent. We did not sneak up on the man, he had opportunities to get rid of anything he did not want found, but the Israelis did not tell us when we went into Iraq that we would not be finding any stockpiles there. It was after the fact that they said they believed the stockpiles had been moved. None of which helped Bush in the summer of 2003 when the Left was chanting, Bush lied and people died. We do not need to go there again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathie:</p>
<p>The Israelis were wrong. I am not saying that I think Saddam was innocent. We did not sneak up on the man, he had opportunities to get rid of anything he did not want found, but the Israelis did not tell us when we went into Iraq that we would not be finding any stockpiles there. It was after the fact that they said they believed the stockpiles had been moved. None of which helped Bush in the summer of 2003 when the Left was chanting, Bush lied and people died. We do not need to go there again.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4734/comment-page-1#comment-245629</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Bush did make a point of saying that Iran would not be allowed to get a nuke. I took that to mean that he would use the military option and that is what the Democrats are talking about. In fact I have heard a lot of people on the right say we can not trust the Democrats for the very reason that they would not take military action against Iran.

I am sure that this intel could be flawed, all of it is guess work after all. What I am saying is that it is very possible that Iran looked at what Bush did to Afghanistan and Iraq and decided to put a hold on the bomb making until someone more to their liking was in the White House. Meanwhile, they opted to keep enriching uranium.

For people to call Bush a liar for repeating what our contradictory intel service says is not only wrong, it is predictable. It is what the left always does. However, to simply ignore this news and assume that it is all part of some larger plot might be just as big a mistake.

It may not be that anyone lied, it could just be that they are not sure.

One thing is for sure, if the intel lies about this and the Iranians do a nuke test in a year or two they will lose what precious little credibility they have left. I am not sure they would deliberately risk that. 

Who knows, in a year or so they might come out with a different take again.

But do not read things into this report that are not there. The report does not say that Iran is &quot;peaceful&quot;, it says they are &quot;stalled&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Bush did make a point of saying that Iran would not be allowed to get a nuke. I took that to mean that he would use the military option and that is what the Democrats are talking about. In fact I have heard a lot of people on the right say we can not trust the Democrats for the very reason that they would not take military action against Iran.</p>
<p>I am sure that this intel could be flawed, all of it is guess work after all. What I am saying is that it is very possible that Iran looked at what Bush did to Afghanistan and Iraq and decided to put a hold on the bomb making until someone more to their liking was in the White House. Meanwhile, they opted to keep enriching uranium.</p>
<p>For people to call Bush a liar for repeating what our contradictory intel service says is not only wrong, it is predictable. It is what the left always does. However, to simply ignore this news and assume that it is all part of some larger plot might be just as big a mistake.</p>
<p>It may not be that anyone lied, it could just be that they are not sure.</p>
<p>One thing is for sure, if the intel lies about this and the Iranians do a nuke test in a year or two they will lose what precious little credibility they have left. I am not sure they would deliberately risk that. </p>
<p>Who knows, in a year or so they might come out with a different take again.</p>
<p>But do not read things into this report that are not there. The report does not say that Iran is &#8220;peaceful&#8221;, it says they are &#8220;stalled&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dc</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4734/comment-page-1#comment-245612</link>
		<dc:creator>Dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a simple question.  The efforts Iran has made to date...based on the premise of peaceful nuclear technology .....coming from the reactors that Russia has up until recently been secretly helping them build...are not compatible with the Russian reactor. Why?

Iran says..they dont&#039; want to use Russian or outside enriched uranium...but want to make it themselves. They have violated &quot;2&quot; UN directives thus far...resulting in sanctions...declaring that this is a purely peaceful endevour.  WHY then....would their uranium enrichment not be compatible with the reactor that Russia is helping build (that is not yet complete)???

Evidently...that question has &quot;completely&quot; slipped the UN inspectors minds. It has never been asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a simple question.  The efforts Iran has made to date&#8230;based on the premise of peaceful nuclear technology &#8230;..coming from the reactors that Russia has up until recently been secretly helping them build&#8230;are not compatible with the Russian reactor. Why?</p>
<p>Iran says..they dont&#8217; want to use Russian or outside enriched uranium&#8230;but want to make it themselves. They have violated &#8220;2&#8243; UN directives thus far&#8230;resulting in sanctions&#8230;declaring that this is a purely peaceful endevour.  WHY then&#8230;.would their uranium enrichment not be compatible with the reactor that Russia is helping build (that is not yet complete)???</p>
<p>Evidently&#8230;that question has &#8220;completely&#8221; slipped the UN inspectors minds. It has never been asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush just pushed the State Dept out front and center..to answer for whatever comes on this. He said...I support you, I believe you. Now..lets see what happens. Most of the rest of the world will gang up on us. The UN will withdraw. And Iran...will get back to business on this. 

One question that has never been asked/answered:  why is Iran enriching plutonium at a spec that does not match the yet to be built reactors from Russia??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush just pushed the State Dept out front and center..to answer for whatever comes on this. He said&#8230;I support you, I believe you. Now..lets see what happens. Most of the rest of the world will gang up on us. The UN will withdraw. And Iran&#8230;will get back to business on this. </p>
<p>One question that has never been asked/answered:  why is Iran enriching plutonium at a spec that does not match the yet to be built reactors from Russia??</p>
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		<title>By: Dc</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4734/comment-page-1#comment-245604</link>
		<dc:creator>Dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Kathie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Kathie</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember Bush ever talking about bombing Iran.  The dems talk about it all the time.  Bush has said that he will take nothing off the table. The Dems are pretending that Bush went behind their back and bombed Iraq. They are full of it. And I&#039;m sick of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember Bush ever talking about bombing Iran.  The dems talk about it all the time.  Bush has said that he will take nothing off the table. The Dems are pretending that Bush went behind their back and bombed Iraq. They are full of it. And I&#8217;m sick of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Macsmind - Blog of The MacRanger Show!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macsmind - Blog of The MacRanger Show!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A Bush Betrayal?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Lots of &#8220;theories&#8221; floating around how this reversal NIE came about, but if you believe Robert Baer, it&#8217;s &#8220;blame Bush&#8220;.
&#8220;The real story behind this NIE is that the Bush Administration has finally concluded Iran is a ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A Bush Betrayal?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Lots of &#8220;theories&#8221; floating around how this reversal NIE came about, but if you believe Robert Baer, it&#8217;s &#8220;blame Bush&#8220;.<br />
&#8220;The real story behind this NIE is that the Bush Administration has finally concluded Iran is a &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate it when the President is called a liar. So here is some good news.

Al Qaeda Confession: Only 200 Foreign Terrorists are left in Iraq.
December 4 2007 &#124; jveritas

Posted on 12/04/2007 7:22:21 PM PST by jveritas

In his speech released yesterday Abou Omar Al Baghdadi the supposed leader of the Islamic State in Iraq which is Al Qaeda in Iraq said that only two hundered Mohajeroon are left in Iraq. Mohajeroon which means immigrants in Arabic are the foreign terrorists who came to fight in Iraq. This is yet the most stunning admission by Al Qaeda in Iraq that they are totally destroyed and from the tens of thousands of foreign terrorists they had, almost all of them are killed and captured and only two hundreds are left.

This is the quote translation of what Al Baghdadi said in his latest speech: â€œâ€¦ with all that, the Mouhajeron in Mesopotamia left the world and went quickly to meet their lord after they sacrificed their money and their blood sometimes in the martyrdom operations and sometimes by throwing themselves in front of the enemy that only two hundreds Mouhajeron are left today in our beloved Iraqâ€¦&quot;

We won this war.

God bless President Bush and all our brave troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate it when the President is called a liar. So here is some good news.</p>
<p>Al Qaeda Confession: Only 200 Foreign Terrorists are left in Iraq.<br />
December 4 2007 | jveritas</p>
<p>Posted on 12/04/2007 7:22:21 PM PST by jveritas</p>
<p>In his speech released yesterday Abou Omar Al Baghdadi the supposed leader of the Islamic State in Iraq which is Al Qaeda in Iraq said that only two hundered Mohajeroon are left in Iraq. Mohajeroon which means immigrants in Arabic are the foreign terrorists who came to fight in Iraq. This is yet the most stunning admission by Al Qaeda in Iraq that they are totally destroyed and from the tens of thousands of foreign terrorists they had, almost all of them are killed and captured and only two hundreds are left.</p>
<p>This is the quote translation of what Al Baghdadi said in his latest speech: â€œâ€¦ with all that, the Mouhajeron in Mesopotamia left the world and went quickly to meet their lord after they sacrificed their money and their blood sometimes in the martyrdom operations and sometimes by throwing themselves in front of the enemy that only two hundreds Mouhajeron are left today in our beloved Iraqâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>We won this war.</p>
<p>God bless President Bush and all our brave troops.</p>
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		<title>By: clarice</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember they missed the Pakistan nukes. They missed the collapse of Russia. Rely on them at your own risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember they missed the Pakistan nukes. They missed the collapse of Russia. Rely on them at your own risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would it have looked if Bush had done this speech based on an entirely conflicting CIA (and others) report with the State Dept pushing press releases in the backround that they assessed something different? 

The state dept analysis was what the demorats held up as proof Bush &quot;lied&quot;...because he didn&#039;t take their advice against all the others who were saying something else on certain issues (nuclear in particular). So, it makes perfect sense..that he would go to them to get their report first. The CIA ain&#039;t exactly been batting a thousand lately either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would it have looked if Bush had done this speech based on an entirely conflicting CIA (and others) report with the State Dept pushing press releases in the backround that they assessed something different? </p>
<p>The state dept analysis was what the demorats held up as proof Bush &#8220;lied&#8221;&#8230;because he didn&#8217;t take their advice against all the others who were saying something else on certain issues (nuclear in particular). So, it makes perfect sense..that he would go to them to get their report first. The CIA ain&#8217;t exactly been batting a thousand lately either.</p>
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		<title>By: Good Captain</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4734/comment-page-1#comment-245494</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be tuning in b/n you and Mac to continue delivering interesting tidbits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be tuning in b/n you and Mac to continue delivering interesting tidbits.</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye...we don&#039;t know that the Israel was wrong about Iraqi WMD&#039;s. Think Syria and Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye&#8230;we don&#8217;t know that the Israel was wrong about Iraqi WMD&#8217;s. Think Syria and Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as far as this being a gift to Clinton, her rivals are using this as an excuse to attack her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as far as this being a gift to Clinton, her rivals are using this as an excuse to attack her.</p>
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