Feb 01 2008
GOP RINO-Traitors For Hillary
I am laughing and crying with the apoplexy raging the hyper-right today. The most hilarious is Anne Coulter would rather campaign for Hillary over McCain.
Is she now a greater RINO-Traitor than McCain because she is not just working on compromise bills with Dems but supporting them in the Presidential election? And isn’t sitting out the vote so Hillary can win also the act of a RINO-traitor? It would mean a President Hillary can open the borders and give all the immigrants the right to vote (two things Bush, McCain and Kyle all opposed)? Is this the best way to progress conservatism? When will their madness end!
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Saw her last night on Fox. How childish can she be? Positively covert hostile some are in the conservative ranks. What if the moderates and independents in the party acted the same?
Ann, et al are so entitled and special. Not.
AJ:
That picture is terrifying!
Ann has jumped the shark. Brilliant, but dumb.
Well this is the same woman who likes to throw around the words raghead and faggot.
I remember during the Harriet Miers ordeal, her slamming Miers for going to a state university. She said that Ivy Leaguers were just better than other people. Elitist. My guess is McCain is just military trash to her. Hillary, on the other hand, comes from her social class.
Well, the true conservatives, with a small “c”, are mighty upset
and I am not interested in the whole bunch of them.
I gave up on Miss Coulter after she declared that “Jewish people
need perfecting”. I thought that was not only scarily theologically
puritanical, but also amazingly politically stupid.
On a conservative site I like, one guy blamed the RNC for
McCain’s seeming surge and so I asked him if it was fair to blame
the RNC for how the electorate choose to vote, and a different poster said Yes.
Well unbelievable, they have a system for this in Iran, their “council
of experts” who can disqualify candidates to their parliament
after their election if they don’t meet standards of islamic purity.
Do conservatives want that system here? Based on the Book
of Reagan ? They might find most voters ignore them.
I think this is the election that doesn’t belong to the pollsters,
the pundits, and the true guides of both parties who are telling us
what to do. Not the Kennedys nor the Bono, not the Coulter
nor the Rush. Obama said “time for a change” but not the
way he means it, the change is this time the experts won’t decide it.
Some of the conservatives cheering a democrat win are saying
so what? teach ‘em a lesson, America will survive anyways.
Maybe so, but how well it will survive is open to question and
I fear for our country and also for the West if Obama gets in.
I don’t know whether he is an islamist in hiding or not, but he
has already told us that appeasement will be his plan.
Appeasement will assure that the West is attacked again, very big
time. Recession? You only need to lose NYC, SF, and London,
and the world will get what a recession really is. And that event
is very very possible.
So maybe a whole bunch of angry conservatives will sit home
and feel proud that they did not compromise their principles,
but maybe a larger bunch of centrist Democrats, will look at the
abyss that is Obama or Hillary, and say no thanks, too dangerous,
come back next time. I doubt anybody can poll it today.
To everybody disgusted with the elections, has anybody invented
a better system to choose leaders? Not yet, far as I know.
See, here’s the thing for me. Hillary and McCain are both major narcissists. Narcissists are basically major liars and tend to believe that the end always justifies the means. They also believe their own lies. And they can flip flop from one side of the issue to another while believing they have had the same opinion all allong. The only reason you would oppose them is if you “don’t understand”. If you are given an intensive briefing in their position and still disagree, then you are just plain stupid and incapable of understanding. The notion that you understand completely and think it is wrong does not exist in the narcissists world because that would mean that they are wrong and that just can not be.
I see Romney as much less narcissistic than McCain or Hillary so from just a basic personality check, I am going to have to vote McCain. I would have rather voted Rudy than McCain but it wasn’t to be. I also liked Fred but he wasn’t to be either. I think all Fred managed to do was take votes away from Romney early in the campaign and make McCain’s lead larger earlier.
Romney will get my vote next Tuesday but if McCain gets the party nomination then I will hold my nose and vote for him.
Oh, and Anne Coulter is pretty high up there on the narcissistic scale to. She probably feels a need to “punish” the GOP for “misbehaving” and that is why she is saying publicly that she will support Hillary. My answer is …
*YAWN*
crosspatch:
The thing is not very many McCain supporters are promising to vote Democrat if Romney gets the nomination. And I do not like being bullied or blackmailed.
I don’t think McCain is any more of a narcissist than most people running for this office would be. I don’t think he is as much a narcissist as Rush Limbaugh is either.
I think Romney is a rich spoiled venture capitalist who thought he could buy the White House. I would vote for him if he got the nomination, but I don’t see him as some selfless soul just trying to help out America.
Crosspatch,
I agree with you and certainly agree with you on Coulter. But some here need to actually read or watch some of her entire quotes instead of listening to the media tell them what she said because sometimes (not often with Coulter) but sometimes they aren’t what they appear.
AJ,
Coulter obviously feels that the GWOT and the immigration issue is not as important to her as supporting a terrible Democrat candidate in order to resolve (in her opinion) the problems within the Republican party. I personally think she’s wrong but I see what she’s trying to do. I just don’t agree. I don’t understand why you get so upset by it? You disagree with some of these people on a few issues and make those feelings known, as you should. You are guilty of believing that you have the right answer and they believe that they do. How is what you speak about any different than what they are doing?
Both political parties are currently fighting with all of their factions to try and keep their core principals intact. You and many other moderates have chosen to be uncommitted to either party but expect them to conform to your combined view of both. Until there is a viable 3rd party candidate that those who chose to straddle the line between conservatives and liberals can commit to I think it is absurd to try and change either party. If you commit to one and believe in it’s core values than have at it! Fight from within that party for changes important to you. But you are all adrift between parties by choice. Choose to commit and fight on! And if you can’t commit, work to become a more viable party with your own mixture of principals.
Terrye,
There’s that blackmailing reference you always use. You never did explain who is blackmailing you?
McCain, the son of the Commander-in-chief of Naval Forces Europe, is also a spoiled rich guy who thinks he has a natural born right to the White House. The differences between McCain and all the other candidates of both parties is his mental instability and his belief that war is an end in itself. He’ll throw a fit at Putin then get the US into a shooting war with Russia over somewhere like South Ossetia or maybe Kosovo. Hillary only wants power for its own sake. She’ll do less damage to the world than Johnny Psycho.
So Jules, are you a shrink? Too many people believe these guys are cartoon characters. They are not. I am 56 years old. I have been aware of who John McCain was for many years. I don’t think he is half as nuts as Coulter is.
whippet:
I am talking about the self anointed base of the party who are threatening to sit home in November or vote for the other party if we mere peasants do not do as we are told and vote for their candidate in the primary. We will pay……
The anti McCain people are so overboard about this that they believe people like Rudy or Arnold or Olson or Coburn of Oklahoma, not to mention all sorts of ordinary Americans would vote for a mentally unstable person rather than Romney. That is just so ridiculous. Desperate and under handed as well.
I almost never watch FOXNEWS; so the one time in six months I do watch, I have to see Coulter’s meltdown on McCain.
Look, I don’t like McCain; if it was up to me alone, I’d pick someone different.
But it’s not, so we are left with what I’ve been saying about American Presidential elections for decades: with only two major choices, we almost always are left with voting AGAINST someone!
That is, we vote FOR the person who is the LEAST of two evils!
Sad commentary on our political system, as it curently is, not only on the strangle hold of the Two major parties, but the fact we can’t seem to find ANYONE who’s actually any good!
Bottomline though, despite McCain is a RINO, and I don’t like him; he IS in fact, the most important thing for me, that is, he is an “American”!
Our other two choices, are the MOST EVIL Politician in American History (the “Billary” Symbiote”; or the Hollow-suit Fraud Senator who is a Muslim, practicing Taqiyah!
That’s why I say at least McCain, for all his many faults, is at least an “American”, and not an Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Nutbag Socialist/Alinskyite Traitor, like the other two!
Thus, unless I want to see America DESTROYED by possibly eight years of “Billary”/Hussein Obama, I’m voting McCain!
Terrye,
No, “they are threatening to sit home and not vote in November or vote for the other party” because that is their choice. It is you who chose to feel threatened by them. They are not threatening you.
Whippet:
And it should be the choice of the American people who they choose as a President. They are not threatening Ann. If Ann Coulter can not handle that then she does not need to ranting like a loon.
These people can dish it out, but they can not take it. They have to their way or everyone else in the party can go to hell. So what if voters choose McCain in the primaries, these socalled loyal GOPers will only accept an outcome they approve. Screw the rest of us.
And yet, they expect loyalty. Why? Why should I have any loyalty for the likes of Coulter?
I have no problem with people walking into those polling places and voting for Romney.It would be nice if they would extend the same courtesy to people with a different candidate. In fact there was a time I had him higher on my list than McCain. But after listening to this nonsense, I have changed my mind. I will support McCain.
And the whole reason they are threatening to stay home or vote for the other candidate is to try and force people to change their votes. It is undemocratic tactics. Shame on them. That is blackmail.
Yikes. If Ann is even half-serious about pushing Hillary if McCain becomes the GOP candidate, then Ann is jumping the shark in the same way that feminists in this country collectively jumped the shark when they felt the need to defend then-President Bill Clinton against the likes of Paula Jones and Juanita Broderick.
If this is the way that conservatism (the movement) is going, then I’m done with conservatism. I still believe that the War on Terror, in one form or another, continues to need waging; I still believe that less government is better, that taxes should be kept low, that frivolous lawsuits need to be discouraged, etc., etc. — but I’m done with the whole Ann Coulter clique. If the leading figures in the conservative movement are ready to throw their own party’s presidential candidate overboard and help to elect Hillary Rodham Clinton, previously known as the worst possible choice for the President’s job, then what exactly is the point of the conservative movement? What exactly am I helping to achieve by supporting conservatives nowadays???
I wonder if it occurs to these people that they are shrinking the party? That the Republican party with the help of people like Ann Coulter is becoming the party of crackpots and loons. Once upon a time that was the territory claimed by the Democrats.
No wonder young people are flocking to Obama.
Terrye,
First of all you are doing as much ranting (as you call it) as Coulter so why is it o.k. when you do it but she doesn’t have a right to or you accuse her of being one of the ones threatening you?
They expect loyalty? No, they hope to persuade people to their side…I don’t like the way some of them do it but that’s what they’re doing.
If you are a registered Republican, then get out there and try and change the party to what you would like it to be. If you’re a registered Independent or Democrat than either commit to the core values of the party you’re squaking about or try and get the Dems to become more moderate. And if you don’t want to commit to either then YOU have chosen to align yourself with an Indy party that has no voice because it has no candidate.
Disagreement…or pointing out ones verifiable record is not a form of blackmail or threat.
Whippet:
Well excuse me, but I am not Ann Coulter. I do not fancy myself a leader of anything. I don’t sell books about how awful Democrats are then promise to campaign for them. I do not go on national television and make an ass of myself.
The way this works, is Ann gets her say and if I respond to something stupid she said, I am ranting. The stupid thing she said is just her voicing her opinion.
Spare me.
Hey Dale,
Long time – welcome back.
AJStrata
Terrye,
No… You are BOTH ranting. And that is Both of your rights. If she chooses to go on T.V. and make an ass of herself that is her right and so can you if you so choose.
And Coulter isn’t the leader of anything! She’s a pundit and an author! The MSM is the one telling you she is a spokesman for the Party and you are buying into it!
Listen, Ann Coulter is what she is. Once again, I like some of the things she stands for but I have a huge issue with the way she says it. She is my least favorite. I know a lot of people who thinks she’s funny which many times is what she is doing. But I don’t happen to think sarcasm is very humorous but that’s just me. She’s the “Shock Jock” of conservatism. She is what she is.
Thanks AJ; I’ve been really busy at work, and a few other personal things; so I’ve cut back my posting to a bare minimum; but I DO read every day!
I really like your Iraq updates.
PS: I have some analysis on the US Casualties in Iraq, over the past 5 years.
Would you like to use as a Post?
I can send sometime tomorrow?
R/dale
And what are you doing whippet? If I am ranting? Oh yes, just speaking your mind.
That is what is interesting. Gee, it seems to me that you are rantig as much as I am. You are ranting about me ranting.
So exactly what is the point to your little lecture?
I mean, am I threatening you or something, whippet? Gosh, I don’t mean to threaten you. No more than sweet funny little Ann meant to threaten the rest of us.
There are plenty of other commenters here who think Coulter got out of line, are they ranting too? Or is just me?
Terrye,
I’m not “ranting” as I’m not thowing out hysterical accusations of threats and blackmail by some group of “right wing purists.”
And once again you appear incapeable of grasping the concept that you are using your right to rant to accuse others of some ulterior motive because they are doing what you are doing, which is ranting! You continue to miss the entire point…I believe that you have a right to rant, scream, disagree…whatever, without you being accused of some conspiracy for doing so…And Rush, Coulter, Malkin and the rest have that same right.
It’s called disagreement and it’s everyone’s right…not just yours.
Agreed. Welcome back, Dale. Sure missed your posts and hope you will do more posting once again!
I think Rush and Ann and the likes will cool down and start to have second thoughts and swing their votes to McCain if McCain wins the nomination. And I think that their choice of words and behavior are out of line as well. I’m not ranting about them, am I?
I’m voting for Romney in my primary but if McCain wins, I will vote for McCain over Hillary or Barack. Dale spelled out the main reasons why I would vote for McCain. Since the independents are going to McCain, that makes him more electable against Hillary and Barack, especially in light of the increasing voter turnouts. McCain is also getting the hispanic vote.
Big Lizards has a good post about this topic as well. He does a good job explaining why people aren’t flocking to Romney. Oh, Captain’s Quarters showed that McCain is getting alot of votes from the independents that are anti-war so the war isn’t driving the votes.
Terrye,
No. The other people here who think Coulter got out of line are not ranting, they are stating their opinion because they are not accusing others of threatening them somehow, which you are.
Typical, you would then suggest that I am accusing you of threatening me when I did no such thing. Amazing.
Oh well that explains it.
Ed Morrisey over at Captains Quarters is a staunch Romney supporter. He must be a ranter too because he classifies Ann’s stunt as extortion.
And you know something whippet? I do not recall ever saying that Ann Coulter did not have the right to make a complete ass of herself is she was so inclined.
Terrye,
I didn’t say that you did. So, I will no longer engage in these little games that you play.
“Oh, and Anne Coulter is pretty high up there on the narcissistic scale to. She probably feels a need to “punish” the GOP for “misbehaving” and that is why she is saying publicly that she will support Hillary. My answer is …
*YAWN* ”
Left by crosspatch on February 1st, 2008
crosspatch:
The thing is not very many McCain supporters are promising to vote Democrat if Romney gets the nomination. And I do not like being bullied or blackmailed.
I don’t think McCain is any more of a narcissist than most people running for this office would be. I don’t think he is as much a narcissist as Rush Limbaugh is either.
I think Romney is a rich spoiled venture capitalist who thought he could buy the White House. I would vote for him if he got the nomination, but I don’t see him as some selfless soul just trying to help out America.
Left by Terrye on February 1st, 2008
Great posts today!
And AJ, I love the title!
Although, T, I’m not sure I would go that far to describe Romney. I know people who know him and he is a nice person. But I’m definitely voting for McCain for all the reasons you have stated…ie blackmail and control/dominance…And Ann’s little meltdown last night!
I don’t know. I admire Romney for turning the Winter Olympics around. He came in and took on a train wreck for no personal gain whatsoever. And he did a fine job of it.
This is worth reading:
That pretty much sums my feelings up too.
Why You’re Going To Vote For John McCain In November And Like It!
And Tim Carney’s…
Commentary – Timothy Carney: McCain vs. Hillary on earmarks: Good government vs. pay to play
Late to the party… interesting post and comments. Yes AJ, the RINO label was long ago discovered to be a bit of projection by the real RINOs. But they will never admit it.
Here is something quite telling and funny. The guy who originally pitched Rush Limbaugh’s show to KABC/New York now yearns for the Fairness Doctrine as an antidote to the monster he helped create. I can relate!
-snip-
This year is turning out to be a wake-up call for talk radio, don’t you think? With Rush Limbaugh and others complaining about the choices made by the voters in many of the primaries and caucuses. I heard from talk consultant John Mainelli – the guy who brought Rush to WABC, New York – and John says:
“The funny thing is that I now think that returning the Fairness Doctrine would be a very good thing. The Fairness Doctrine would sure as hell put an end to all these one-note, crusading, agenda-driven talkshows. Or at least the hosts would have to be a tiny bit clever to sneak around the rules, like everybody used to. Maybe they would actually have to become thoughtful, insightful, open-minded, and possibly even humorous.”
See:
http://tinyurl.com/2w5zb7
Look at this this way:
The Republican party is about 35% of the electorate. The “hard” right is about 10% of the Republican party or 3.5% of the electorate. If they ALL vote for Hillary, it won’t matter:
McCain Leads Obama by Six, Clinton by Eight as of right this moment, anyway.
I’m not sure Ann is being much more ridiculous than many other republicans about this that I’m reading about. Hey my guy was Giulliani but McCain IS a conservative, just not as off-the-wall as the loud-mouths with microphones and bits want him to be.
It depresses me no end to think that the only guy Coulter thinks I should ever vote for is Huckabee.
It highlights the trait that may give to republicans, intransient and not receptive to others ideas. Quite pathetic.
And the more I hear the idiots ragging on McCain the more it makes me want to open my checkbook. In fact I think I will. Sheesh pretty pathetic excuse for grown-ups.
I always thought of the republican party as the party of the grown-ups, now I find that although the electorate may be grown-up, our “opinion-makers” are just children, throwing a tantrum.
Last time I bailed on the republicans was when they started smearing Perot with a “he’s cuckoo” label without even engaging what he was trying to do. This kind of stuff really makes me want to sit out.
Whippet,
There’s a few posters you’re better offf ignoring, not worth it.
The item about the Fairness Doctrine — now that appears right up McCain’s alley, in tune with his corrupting McCain-Feingold clampdown on free speech … one more reason to make last-ditch push for Romney.
Whippet:
Well you do what you like, but like my little brother used to say when my mother told us to pipe down: Terrye started it!
ivehadit:
I think I was too unkind to Romney. I would not be a bit surprised if he was not the President some day. I just don’t think it will be this coming November. But, anything can happen.
Wiley:
Now you see that is the sort of thing that is so annoying. I was not talking to you. I did not do anything to you, but you just had to jump in there and say something nasty. Now if I respond to that, I will be the meanie who is not worth “engaging”. That is petty.
I hope McCain will never push for reenactment of Fairness Doctrine. Same with LOST.
Wiley,
Boy, you sure are right about ignoring some of the posters.
What’s too bad is that some of them have some good comments. Even if you don’t agree with them they appear to be well- versed and insightful. But if you challenge anything they say they twist your words to be some kind of personal attack. They believe all that “vast right-wing conspiracy” crap.
Those particular ones may be Independents now but I suspect they were once Dems where they learned from the masters of the blame game.
Others here appear to have intelligent disagreements and ultimately agree to disagree.
For the Romney Supporters…thought you might like this one.
http://patterico.com/2008/02/01/a-campaign-joke-or-why-i-support-mitt-romney/
And another to keep hope alive!
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/02/02/the_fat_lady_wont_sing_on_super_tuesday/
I am not a “Romney supporter” I am a Republican Party supporter. Right now I favor Romney over McCain in personal preference but I also believe that McCain has a better shot of winning the general election than Romney does. I would rather have a “liberal” Republican in office than a “conservative” Democrat.
I don’t define my world in terms of Liberal and Conservative. For me it is more a matter of Socialist vs. Capitalist. World government vs. National Sovereignty. At the national level I wish both the “conservatives” and the “liberals” would stop trying to shove their social agenda down out throats.
Random observations -
Don’t take threats of who someone will or will not support for November too seriously in February. Primary season is where we ought to slug it out. As long as the wounds of those battles are not too serious, we are in pretty good shape for the presidential campaign. There has been a lot of gum-flapping between various factions of the Republican coalition. But talk, as always is cheap. There is also a lot of time between today and the convention and November. And if we’ve learned one thing about this political season, it is going to be unpredictable and things change very quickly.
Here’s a fun question for your consideration: Should Romney lose the nomination, what do you expect him to do to help the nominee or the party out for the next several years? Should McCain lose the nomination (again), what do you expect him to do? Will he reprise his spiteful, obstructionist actions in the Senate following Bush’s win in 2000 or will he behave himself? Ought that difference in expected behaviour be considered in selecting who to vote for?
Ann Coulter is a polemicist – a pamphleteer, a bomb thrower in the political debate. She is really, really good at it. The more people are talking about what she says, the more books she sells. You guys appear to be talking about her. Cheers -
Agrimarc,
Very true and well said.
We certainly don’t know how Romney might respond if he doesn’t get the nomination but his past history and temperment don’t appear to show him to be a future problem to the party.
McCain, on the other hand has quite a colorful past when it comes to spite and back-stabbing. Sometimes I wonder if his decisions on legislation are based on his beliefs or on his desire to get back at something or someone because of his bruised ego or his anger.
Agimarc – Exactly, a few of us have been saying the same thing. It’s the primary season, this is the time to slug it out. There’s so much between now & the general — the polls are meaningless that show McCain doing well against HRC & Obama. His “straight talk” that is anything but, the Keating 5, and many other unsound decisions and worse will be a huge anchor to overcome.
Well, here we are a day later and I still do not have the slightest idea what Whippet is talking about. Maybe more wine will help.
I agree with Anne. Either McCain or Clinton would be disastrous for the U.S. Therefore let the Democrats screw up, so we can blame the disaster on the Democrats.
McCain says “Fences First”. Then he hires the most ardent, outspoken advocate of open borders in the U.S. – Juan Hernandez. Hernandez maintains that there are not two nations – just one region. He was in Vicente Fox’s cabinet. He crisscrossed the country, giving moral support to La Raza and other racist, violent, hate groups, advocating “immigrant rights (privileges)” for illegal aliens. Hernandez argued passionately about the need to obtain legal status for all Mexican workers in the U.S., lobbying personally for increased labor rights, health benefits, and education for all Mexicans in the U.S. He successfully lobbied for in-state tuition in many states.
Remember McCain’s bill would have issued a forever renewable “Z visa” for $3,000 to any illegal who wanted to stay in the U.S. indefinitely. If McCain were trustworthy on the “Fences First” proclamation, he would not have come within a 100 miles of Dr. Hernandez. How can McCain be trusted on anything else? Unfortunately the establishment Republicans and MSM avoids any discussion of Hernandez.
Hypocritical McCain cries “Fences First” then on Meet the Press yesterday admits, as President, he would sign the same amnesty bill that he proposed last year with the following defects:
• While American citizens do not have to be paid prevailing wage, temporary guest workers would have to be paid the prevailing (union) wage.
• While American agricultural workers can be fired for any reason (at will), agricultural guest workers could be fired only for just cause.
• Illegal aliens and their children would be eligible for Social Security and survivor benefits respectively.
• Employers would be made exempt from civil and criminal tax and criminal liability.
• Radical left-wing groups will be paid to help illegal aliens adjust their status.
• Illegal aliens will be made eligible to pay in state instead of cross-state tuition.
• The Basic Pilot Verification Program was gutted.
• Before physical or virtual fencing can be constructed, consultations must occur between United States and Mexican authorities at the federal, state, and local levels. (Courtesy of Sen. Chris Dodd)
• Local police would be prohibited from enforcing civil violations of immigration laws.
Romney has a record as a great analyst and achiever. He gathers data, defines the problem and requirements for a solution and implements it. His positions have shifted IAW his new analysis.
As far as Hillary and Obama, Obama is a pure zero, nothing but rhetoric. In the state legislature he voted “present” scores of time rather than take a position. Bill acted much the same way as president. He avoided going after Bin Laden and the Islamofascists despite many opportunities. We can’t afford another Bill at this time. Hillary is very smart and has tasted fire. I trust her more to correctly research and analyze a situation before taking action. She did make the right decision when presented with all the data from U.S. and other foreign intelligence services and vote for the war, unlike many cowardly pacifists. Anyone, given the same data, and not voting for war is unqualified to be President.