Mar 11 2008
al-Qaeda Attempting A Bloody Comeback In Iraq
I know one sick liberal who is very excited today. Some weirdo Ken Hoop emails me daily on any setback the US has in Iraq. Today he must be relishing the news 8 brave young soldiers have been killed in Iraq. Where Hoop finds glee I simply offer my sincere thanks and gratitude to these soldiers and their families for the sacrifices they have bestowed upon this great country.
The Ken Hoop’s of the world are a bizarre genetic malfunction in my mind, just like any ghoulish human who savors human suffering and death to make their miserable existences seem important. Hoop has been trying to gloat for months, as the violence has dropped and Iraq turned the corner from ‘lost cause’ to ‘probable victory’. He wakes every day to try and find some hint that the carnage will grow back to the horrific days of 2007, and tries to share his aspirations with me. It is the sick side of the left.
But the fact is there is more progress and hope than al-Qaeda can destroy with a bomb here and a bomb there. Just like America withstood 9-11 with grace and honor, so will Iraq weather al-Qaeda’s bloody wrath. Here is one story from CBS News (no less) which tells the broader story about Iraq:
The mud buildings were an al Qaeda in Iraq torture chamber and operational headquarters.
Abu Mohammed says he was chained up here for two weeks and saw 13-year-old children killed. When al Qaeda fled, they left little behind.
As inconsequential as the little farming complex may look, in the grand scheme of convincing the local population that security really has returned, it is a potent symbol.
To make that point local sheikhs and tribal leaders were given, if not exactly box seats, certainly prime spots for a show arranged just for them.
Three thousand pounds of bombs costing more than $100,000 dropped from a B-1 bomber obliterated the building. But the military hopes the payoff will be long term.
The dignitaries seemed impressed.
al-Qaeda is trying to massacre the Iraqis into submission. And it is the US that stands next to them trying to destroy al-Qaeda before it kills again. It is a very potent arrangement that will not soon fade from the psyche of the Middle East. But the sickos on the left still have hope, as it appears al-Qaeda is ready to shed a lot more Muslim blood in Iraq:
Al-Qaeda may be shifting tactics back to the big, headline grabbing attacks in Iraq that helped plunge the country into chaos, a senior US commander said Monday.
“We have some indicators that they may be planning on executing kind of a large media type event,” said Major General John Kelly, commander of the I Marine Expeditionary Force in western Iraq.
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Suicide attacks and huge car bombings with large numbers of civilian casualties have long been a signature of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which has used the tactic to destabilize the country and inflame sectarian divisions.
The bombing of a golden domed Shiite shrine in Samarra in February 2006 tipped the country into open sectarian conflict.
Kelly said it was unclear from the intelligence where Al-Qaeda might try to stage the attacks.
Funny thing, if al-Qaeda felt the press over the attacks was not working in their favor they would probably avoid the bad press. So how is it the media can report on carnage and crimes against humanity and make it a plus for those who executed the carnage and a minus for the country (or countries) trying to stop the carnage from growing? That is a question best left for the ‘professional journalists’ to ponder as they assess the product of their life’s work. al-Qaeda has drawn their conclusions, and it is the more blood, the more press, the better for them.
How warped do you have to be to miss this phenomena?
“And not only that if Clinton had dealt with AlQaida back in the 90’s …”
The first WTC attack was March ’93, a few weeks after Clinton took office. So if Bush 41 had dealt with AlQaida back in the 90’s …
Also to use the “Saddam was a brutal dictator” as justification for war is one of the the dumbest arguments the right makes. America loves brutal dictators as long as they give us what we want. Marcos, the Shah, Somosa, Pinochet, etc, etc. Check your history. America always chooses stability over political philosophy in third world countries.
“As far as I am concerned, when Saddam broke the cease fire, refused to comply with the UN and tried to kill a president, he should have been taken out. That was enough.”
Should the head of Israel also be taken out for failing to comply with UN 242 and not giving back the land it took in the ’67 war?
“The first WTC attack was March ‘93, a few weeks after Clinton took office. So if Bush 41 had dealt with AlQaida back in the 90’s …”
You might want to elaborate on why Bush 41 had any reason to go after al Qaeda, you can start by filling us in on what we knew about al Qaeda prior to the 93 attack and then square it with Clinton telling us we couldn’t take bin Laden when offered years later.
“Also to use the “Saddam was a brutal dictator†as justification for war is one of the the dumbest arguments the right makes.”
Actually, what is dumb is the left not comprehending that the “brutal dictator” justification is not the only argument the right makes, compelling as it is.
Before this thread veers even farther off topic, just what was it you wanted to tell us about al Qaeda attempting a bloody comback in Iraq JC?
Sorry to interrupt the Kool-Aid session, but here’s a .dose of reality:
Maybe the Crazy Old Coot â„¢ isn’t so far off in his estimate we could be stuck there for 1,000 years.
Maybe the Crazy Old Coot ™ isn’t so far off in his estimate we could be stuck there for 1,000 years.
Left by Soothsayer on March 12th, 2008
ah, and I’m not at all off in my assessment of this:
“BOOTLICKER” is an Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Nutbag Traitor!
And DaleinAtlanta is a delusional wingnut who couldn’t cut it in the military and was cashiered for his delusional fantasies of being a Secret Agent Man.
We seem to now have debate at the level of Daily Kos,
well actually, they don’t permit debate.
Anyways, what about this Admiral Fallon firing?
I think we can read two things between the lines,
Firstly, President Bush realizes that he will have to deal
with Iran on his watch, and that Fallon, in giving blocking interviews
to Al-Jazeera and refusing to build up naval forces in the Persian
Gulf could simply no longer keep his job.
Secondly, President Bush gave his Secretary of State enough time.
He had asked Condi whether or not he could pull it off, in other
words get him the legacy of being the President who secured
a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians. Apparently,
the President has decided she cannot pull this thing off. There
will be no peace deal. Iran will not permit it.
Good grief Soothsayer, go back and read AJ’s opening post.
Also, Engram discussed your Times article today:
http://engram-backtalk.blogspot.com/2008/03/informative-chart-in-new-york-times.html
An attack on Iran at this juncture would be an unprovoked act of war. The Iranian nuclear program poses no threat to the United States of America. They have neither the technology nor the delivery systems to substantively threaten us to the extent that would justify another pre-emptive attack based on faulty intelligence and lies from the Bush Administration.
If the pathetic lame-duck tap-dancing fool attacks Iran without cause, he will go down in history as a war criminal.
Nothing to see here…move along. Radical Islamists pursuing nukes…move along, please.
They have neither the technology nor the delivery systems to substantively threaten us to the extent that would justify another pre-emptive attack
Heelarious! They don’t have boats?
They don’t have thousands of willing sacraficial soldiers who would
beg for the chance to sail a nuke up the Potomac?
It would be a PROVOKED act of war.
They’ve been killing us for decades.
You need to know this about the President, any President of
the USA. He doesn’t need to ask permission from Congress.
He doesn’t need to ask permission from the UN. The President
of the USA can rder a military attack entirely on his own.
That’s why it is important to vote for a good man. That description
does not include Barakha Hussein Obama.
They have neither the technology nor the delivery systems to substantively threaten us to the extent that would justify another pre-emptive attack based on faulty intelligence and lies from the Bush Administration.
Soothie, click here and let me introduce you to some absolutely AMAZING technology that it seems you’ve never heard of.
Now, consider ye this.
990 kg of payload. That’s more than enough to loft about 50 kilotons . . . at 1950s yield-to-weight ratios.
Now, consider ye Operation Merlin, where the Clinton Administration gave the Iranians a nuclear warhead firing block diagram that was so obviously flawed that fixing it would be trivial.
I propose that you put your money where your mouth is.
Namely, you will agree that if an Iranian nuclear device ever detonates on US soil, you will cheerfully volunteer to (a) participate in fallout mitigation efforts, (b) you will do so without MOPP gear, and (c) you will do so until you die of radiation sickness.
You game, soothie?
Cobalt Shiva (what the hell kind of a melodramatic monicker is that, byut he way?) I’d tell you not to be so stupid, but it wouldn’t do any good:
Unlike you, I’m not afraid of any friggin’ Iranian nuke. I lived thru the 50’s, when as school kids we would kneel in a ball under our desks to protect ourselves from nuclear holocaust if the Russians nuked Akron (Akron being an acknowledged target because of the rubber companies and Goodyear Aerospace, along with Timken Roller Bearing, down State Route 8 a ways).
Contrary to your fevered delusions, the Iranians are NOT SUICIDAL, and just as with the Soviets before them, the spectre of Mutually Assured Destruction has and will stay the hand on any nation with nuclear capability. It is clearly understood the world around that whomever might unleash such a weapon on the United States of America would be turned into charcoal forthwith.
So try not to pee your pants everytime you hear about the Bogeyman Iran.
Contrary to your fevered delusions, the Iranians are NOT SUICIDAL
Do you read minds? Can you really know what is in the minds of the Iranian National Command Authorities? Hell, can you even NAME, with a high degree of confidence and evidence to back same, the people who make up the Iranian NCA? If so, some folks in Langley, VA would be very happy to hear from you, because they don’t know jack about who-does-what-to-whom in Iran’s military and paramilitary complex. Then again, they did manage to burn their agents in Iran on twice in a decade through lousy tradecraft.
the spectre of Mutually Assured Destruction has and will stay the hand on any nation with nuclear capability.
Unless, of course, that nation’s government thinks that they’ve found a way to do it anonymously . . . or that they think that the incineration of their country would be the “tocsin of destiny” that would bring about a mass uprising of the Islamic world against the hated infidel. (It’s downright f***ing amazing what people can talk themselves into. How do you think that Amway keeps recruiting suckers?)
It is clearly understood the world around that whomever might unleash such a weapon on the United States of America would be turned into charcoal forthwith.
Soothie . . . in the scenario I’ve just described, we’d have a heck of a time knowing who the damn thing came from.
That’s your problem; the rest of the world is not a bunch of free-to-be-you-free-to-be-me-free-to-hug-a-tree Woodstock leftovers like you. They really don’t give a damn what you think.
Smoothseller, we come closer to peeing our pants reading your posts.
And DaleinAtlanta is a delusional wingnut who couldn’t cut it in the military and was cashiered for his delusional fantasies of being a Secret Agent Man.
Left by Soothsayer on March 12th, 2008
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!
I freely admit to the following, of my own free will:
I’m wingnut!
I was cashiered from the Military!
I have delusional fantasies of being a “secret agent man!”
All are 100% True!
Now, your turn!!!!???
Despite what I am, that is STILL BETTER than being an Anti-American, Pro-Jihadi Leftist Nutbag Traitor such as yourself and “NORM!”
Truth hurts, doesn’t it???
Soothie . . . in the scenario I’ve just described, we’d have a heck of a time knowing who the damn thing came from
Cobalt-Moron:
if we don’t know where it would come from, seems quite insane to bomb Iran before they even have it . . . especially since Pakistan already has ’em, and how hard you think it would be for terrorists to get a nuke from there, if they haven’t already? Certainly, your pathetic scenario doesn’t justify an act of unprovoked war.
And as for the DelusionalDale:
being an Anti-American, Pro-Jihadi Leftist Nutbag Traitor MIGHT be worse than being you, except I’m NOT anti-American, I’m NOT a nutbag, I’m NOT pro-Jihadi, I’m NOT a traitor and I’m most certainly NOT a delusional idiot, unlike yourself.
if we don’t know where it would come from, seems quite insane to bomb Iran before they even have it . . . Certainly, your pathetic scenario doesn’t justify an act of unprovoked war.
In case you haven’t noticed . . .
Iran has been in a de facto and de jure state of war with the United States since November 4th, 1979. (SEE: Iranian Hostage Crisis, Beirut Embassy Bombing, Marine Barracks Bombing, TWA Flight 847, LTC Higgins, Pasdaran Operations in Iraq, and so on, and so forth, et cetera).
We may safely assume that a country that is actually at war with this country, a history of using proxy groups for the conduct of that war, and a nuclear “research” program that has been the subject of extensive efforts at concealment, is intent on acquiring nuclear weapons wth the intent of using same.
being an Anti-American, Pro-Jihadi Leftist Nutbag Traitor MIGHT be worse than being you, except I’m NOT anti-American, I’m NOT a nutbag, I’m NOT pro-Jihadi, I’m NOT a traitor and I’m most certainly NOT a delusional idiot, unlike yourself.
Left by Soothsayer on March 12th, 2008
I’m NOT anti-American: WRONG; LIE, you are and prove it with EVERY post!
I’m NOT a nutbag: WRONG; LIE, you ARE and PROVE it with EVERY post!
I’m NOT pro-Jihadi: WRONG; LIE; you ARE and you PROVE it with EVERY post!
I’m NOT a traitor: WRONG; LIE; you ARE, and you PROVE IT, with EVERY Post!
I’m most certainly NOT a delusional idiot: WRONG; LIE; YOU ARE, and YOU PROVE IT with EVERY POST!
C’mon now, YOU set the rules, you wanted me to admit certain things; you set the ground rules and then, I followed them, and……sigh….like a Typical Anti-American, Pro-Jihadi Leftist Nutbag Traitor, I followed the EXACT rules that you wanted and laide out, and then YOU moved the Goalposts, and won’t do the same!
Why am I surprised?
It is typical Anti-American, Pro-Jihadi, Leftist Nutbag Traitor behaviour!
You and your ilk do it on a daily basis!
Witness your brother, Elliot Spitzer!
Republicans get caught in scandals, like Craig and Foley, and they’re condenmend by the party, and urged to resign and rightly ostracized.
Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Democratic Nutbag Traitors like immedidate inbred clan, the Clintons and the Spitzers, get caught in the same type of scandals, and they get deified by you and your BDS-afflicted, genetically challenged ilk, and get haigiographical accounts written up about them by the Traitor Leftist MSM!
See, it’s very simple; two sets of rules, two sets of responses; one for normal people like us; one for the Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Nutbag Democratic Traitors like yourself.
C’mon “Bootlicker”; feel better about yourself, get in touch with your “PC” female side, ADMIT what you are, get it off your hairless, concaved, cheetos-stained chest; you’ll feel good!
I followed your rules, admitted what I was, now you try……go ahead…..I’m waiting……..chirp…….chirp……..chirp……
“Iran has been in a de facto and de jure state of war with the United States since November 4th, 1979. ”
That can’t be right because it would mean Reagan was a traitor to America for selling arms to our enemies during the 80’s.