Apr 20 2008
SurrenderMedia Scrapes To Find Defeat Against Mahdi Army
I posted recently on how the Mahdi Army is being whooped across Iraq, from Baghdad to Basra and posts in between (see here and here). Karl over at Protein Wisdom has caught the LA Times grasping for some news of US-Iraq defeat in all this victory, but having to admit to all the victory anyway:
This time, the grand ayatollahs have declined to aid the incendiary cleric.
Three days into the Basra campaign, Grand Ayatollah Najafi issued a fatwa, or religious opinion or edict, that declared the Iraqi government as the only force in the country with the right to bear arms.
His son, Sheik Ali Najafi, left little doubt that the clergy had backed the Iraqi army operations.
“We see this as a positive improvement. . . . The people want the government to control the streets and the law to be enforced. No other groups,†he said, sitting in his study, furnished with cushions, a laptop and a clock bearing his father’s portrait.
I predicted back on April 7th (2008) that Sistani would side with Maliki and pull the rug out from Sadr. Without support and credibility from Sistani Sadr was exposed. Now in open defiance to the Grand Ayatollah Sadr has become an enemy of the Shiia in Iraq. There will be no large scale civil war because the Shiia will not rise up against Sistani. Sadr is completely isolated. His forces either disband or are destroyed. There is no path to victory left for him with Sistani on Maliki’s side.
Update: I neglected to copy this key passage from the article:
Their stance is a gamble. An influential cleric who is knowledgeable about talks between the Sadr movement and the grand ayatollahs described the situation in bleak terms: The government is weak, and Sadr aides now acknowledge privately that they have lost control of members who are receiving support from Iran.
“There are groups in the Mahdi Army who are kidnapping, killing and stealing. They don’t listen to Muqtada. They are openly operating with Iranian interests,” he said.
The cleric asked that his name not be used because he feared assassination. Everywhere, he saw Iran’s influence. “In the beginning, it was Arab countries playing a negative role. Now after Qaeda has fallen, it is Iran. Iran wants to control Iraq, and change the hawza from Najaf to Qom.”
Which is what I suspected – Sadr has lost control and is now just a charade. Iran is running a proxy war according to the Sadrists and Shiites in Iraq. Wonder how the Surrendercrats on the left will try and deny this reporting.
Struggler, its the same mordib fascination in watching a train wreck or watching a “jumper” on a roof, fascinating yet morbid, that’s the same feeling you get watching Hardball, and I get watching “TRUTHMASTERBATES”, they’re so pathetic, yet fascinating in a detached, anthropological type of way.
From a Darwinistic viewpoint, they’ll breed themselves out of existence soon, one hopes soon, before they take the rest of us with them, since they suffer from Reflexive Surrender Syndrome, which is the quickest way to commit societal suicide.
Reflexive Surrender Syndrome:The tendency to throw one’s arms high into the air and run in the opposite direction of an opponent with a real or imagined threat.
I post on sundry sites, boors.
Totten….”opinion in Iraq is fatally skewed by intimidation.”
yes of course this has been analysed by the best…who determine an Iraqi is more likely to say what he believes an American occupier wants him to.
Dale, I was going to post Ed Morrisey’s Hot Air analysis because the truther keeps bringing up old polls but thought most in here would have known about it and were just allowing the troll to play his game.
Anyway, here is an excerpt:
“Even the hostility to the US has begun to fade. A large plurality, 49%, now believe the US was right to invade, up 15 points since last August and the highest such result since 2004. The number who believe attacks on American troops are acceptable dropped 15 points, but remains at 42%. While a large majority dislike having foreign troops in their country, only 38% want an immediate withdrawal of American forces — maybe less than what one might find in the US. As many as 80% want the US to remain engaged in Iraq for other purposes, such as fighting terrorists, especially al-Qaeda, military training, and keeping Iran and Turkey at bay.”
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/17/iraq-poll-improvements-across-the-board/
Be sure to note the updates. They over polled the Sunnis
Dale,would you please CRUSSSSSSH this Jack-Ass.
Dailing
Of course your poll was taker prior to the latest Shia break out in violence–and you know what the experts say about that affecting polls in the future,don’t you, non http://www.Ivaw.org member?
Crush.Kill.Destroy.Crush.Kill. Destroy.
Struggler, already been done, and Missy did a good job too; he’s just pissing into the wind now, he’s been destroyed, and he knows it, an “empty barrel makes the most noise”…
CRUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHH!
What’s that smell?
TOASTED Leftist!
Hahahahaha!
Charlie Mike.
Ditto Missy’s poll of course.
Dailing libels Lind even as he uses illogic to do so. Lind has an array of culturally conservative viewpoints, yet simpleton Dailing insists on calling him a leftist.
The truth is, the phony neo-con “right” in America is far more corrupt than the legitimitate left, even as the left might be wrong
on other issues than the war. Being wrong is far better than being corrupt on matters of life and death-and nothing befits this description like an unwinnable war based on lies. The neocon “right” –the phony “right” of the neocons has been co-opted by Israel’s Lobby-as Mearsheimer and Walt both non-leftists, point out.
So if Lind is to the right of Dailing on everything from abortion to gun control or immigration it wouldn’t matter. Lind must be libelled as a leftist-by those who are under the impress of that Lobby, or who are too petulant to admit they were wrong about the war before it even started. And the Dales will adopt the knife in the back libel after Lind is proven right, which of course has already happened.
I think Troof might be Bill Maher.
Of course your poll was taker prior to the latest Shia break out in violence–and
Look at the spineless weasel trying to turn the As Sadr molehill into a Mount Everest!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!
Sadr’s militia got its ass kicked, and now the Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Lefitst Traitor Democratic Nutbag invertebrate is trying to come up with anything, anything to show that America has “lost” somehow!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!
Pathetic, but typical of his spineless, Reflexive Surrender afflicted nutbag Lunar Chiroptera crowd!
Of course, As Sadr is the PERFECT “hero” and “idol” for “TRUTHMASTERBATES” and his cowardly traitor hive-mind bretheren, he sits in an armchair in Qom, Iran, and threatens to start a war!
Sounds like a typical Leftist to me, maybe even “TRUTHMASTERBATES” own Leftist “hero”, William Lind!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!
http://pacificfreepress.com/content/view/2520/1/
In the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll, 56% of Americans “say the United States should withdraw its military forces to avoid further casualties.
Crushed again.
Dale seriously-did you suffer an injury in the/a war similiar to Larry Flynt’s gunshot wound? Would explain your bitterness.
as Mearsheimer and Walt both non-leftists, point out.
“TRUTHMASTERBATES”, did you just say that?
Did you REALLY??
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!
Mearsheimer and Walt’s book has been so thoroughly discredited by mainstream, “normal” people, that is actually now considered to be laughable!
And you say they’re NOT “leftists”?
Wow, you been hitting the Crack Pipe today, Nutbag?
Mearsheimer, who belongs to the same University of Chicago Political Science Department that has produced Robert Pape, who’s “Dying to Win” book, just like Mearshimer’s and Walt’s, as to now inspire open derision!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!
You’re not even a moron now, you’re simply, just a CLOWN
Mearshimer has been in the same UofC PS Department for over 25 years as Robert Pape, they’re screaming Anti-American Leftists.
Walt went to the University of UC Berkelely for god’s sake, and you say they’re NOT “LEFTISTS”???
Put down the Crack pipe, NOW, and back away slowly!
But of course, I knew I could baid you soon enough, into betraying your virulent Anti-Semitism, which is what you betray by your adoration of dedicated Anti-Americans/Pro-Jihadi leftist such as Mearshimer and Walt, and its another data point that PROVES you are “Bootlicker”/”THECENTERISABUNGHOLE”/”Ken(ker”/and “Worm”; they not only admired William Lind, but also Mearshimer and Walt.
Isn’t funny how all you Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Traitor Democratic Nutbags have all the same “heroes”?
All Anti-Semitic as well! Interesting…but NOT surprising!
http://pacificfreepress.com/content/view/2520/1/
note #6 Strata-there is no government in Iraq. Can’t even have Iraqi troops in Kurdish land. Can’t defend borders. Cowers in Green Zone where Dail’s war persiflage might be respectable, if he was posting from there.
http://pacificfreepress.com/content/view/2520/1/
In the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll, 56% of Americans “say the United States should withdraw its military forces to avoid further casualties.
Crushed again.
Left by truthhard2take on April 20th, 2008
Ah, sorry Kemosabe, you didn’t “crush” anyone.
No one here, made any argument at all that a majority of AMERICANS may have a negative opinion against the war!
None of us here have EVER said that, especially not me!
Heck, in fact, it’s to be expected!
With the so-called “Mainstream” media shilling for you Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Traitor Democratic Nutbags and your talking points against the war, since Day One, and the relentless NEGATIVE press coverage, and refusal to publish the REAL story or positive coverage, its no wonder that the polls say that.
http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2008/fax20080228.asp
Study after study after study have confirmed over the past 5 years that the overwhelming majority of the “mainstream media” is in the tank for the Jihadis, and openly rooting for American defeat. FACT, read it and weep!
Then, when you have Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Democratic Shills such as Hillary, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, Murtha, Durbin, ad naseum also acting as lackey’s, its no wonder.
It is why I pay absolutely NO attentions to American “polls” on the subject, they are absolutely worthless,…except to Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Traitor Democratic Leftist Nutbags such as yourself, that is!
In lunatic Dailing’s world “realists” are subversives.
of course you “pay no attention” to what the majority wants, and we may have to put hundreds of thousands on the streets to help crush your kind again, as in Vietnam’s era if the warmongering elite continues to pursue a war with 35% support. Better hope Obama or Clinton keep their word.
Wapo poll—60 % say defeat/victory in Iraq has nothing to do with victory/defeat in WOT. You’ve lost the people on that one-since the Kay Report came out.