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		<title>By: scaulen</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5388/comment-page-1#comment-322168</link>
		<dc:creator>scaulen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sashal:
Could you please explain the brand new Iranian weapons found in Iraq if Iran was the one who wanted to stop the violence? Old weapons I could understand, they could have come from any where. But fresh out of the factory, sorry that means the government knew what was going on. Think about it, the weapons are still being tracked in an inventory system, compared to old decomissioned weapons that get sold to third world countries, or weapons brokers. Some one had to authorize a shipment, if they had been stolen from a weapons factory even the Iranians couldn&#039;t keep that a secret. And if it was so easy to steal them from the factory, then what does that say about Iran&#039;s security?
  Also you said the Mahdi&#039;s did a freeze not a cease fire then say the US and Badr violated the cease fire, how could they violate a ceasfire that never was. And I hate to point this obvious fact out but, if one side asks for a cease fire and even carries it out the other side does not have to follow along unless they agree to a cease fire. The object of a cease fire is for the side getting reamed to get the other side to stop reaming them, then once both sides agree and a deal is struck then and only then would a official cease fire be in affect. Any overt hostilities would void the cease fire, oh say like firing rockets or mortars into the green zone, or failing to disarm heavy weapons. Also if the cease fire is not being enforced by a third party at any time either side could void the cease fire. Example the side getting reamed gets the other side to agree to a cease fire, then the side that was losing bides it&#039;s time, builds up forces, ammo, and equipment and then renews the fighting.  Any of this sound familiar? Now that I have simplified the ideas behind a cease fire lets just get to the point where you say the mahdi&#039;s were never in a cease fire position but a freeze. In that case and ass stomping the received is tough shit for them. They could not keep up an operational tempo that matched the US and Iraqi military so they hid and hoped to wait for the purge to end, or to get resupplied. So for that they get pounded.

OK end of lesson.
So what else have you been instructed to spread? I hope we build up the Iraqi Air Force to be one of the most dominant in the whole ME even if it means leaving instructors (retired US pilots) to train and fly missions. Let&#039;s see the Iranian air farce (not misspelled) deal with that. They can try and get the mothballed f-14&#039;s in the air, or they can keep shelling out millions upon millions for russian jets with down graded avionics. Iran was getting their ass handed to them by the joke that was the Iraqi military, could you imagine the slaughter Iran would be walking into if they went up against an Iraqi army trained and maybe led by US advisors? Artillery field day is one thing that pops in my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sashal:<br />
Could you please explain the brand new Iranian weapons found in Iraq if Iran was the one who wanted to stop the violence? Old weapons I could understand, they could have come from any where. But fresh out of the factory, sorry that means the government knew what was going on. Think about it, the weapons are still being tracked in an inventory system, compared to old decomissioned weapons that get sold to third world countries, or weapons brokers. Some one had to authorize a shipment, if they had been stolen from a weapons factory even the Iranians couldn&#8217;t keep that a secret. And if it was so easy to steal them from the factory, then what does that say about Iran&#8217;s security?<br />
  Also you said the Mahdi&#8217;s did a freeze not a cease fire then say the US and Badr violated the cease fire, how could they violate a ceasfire that never was. And I hate to point this obvious fact out but, if one side asks for a cease fire and even carries it out the other side does not have to follow along unless they agree to a cease fire. The object of a cease fire is for the side getting reamed to get the other side to stop reaming them, then once both sides agree and a deal is struck then and only then would a official cease fire be in affect. Any overt hostilities would void the cease fire, oh say like firing rockets or mortars into the green zone, or failing to disarm heavy weapons. Also if the cease fire is not being enforced by a third party at any time either side could void the cease fire. Example the side getting reamed gets the other side to agree to a cease fire, then the side that was losing bides it&#8217;s time, builds up forces, ammo, and equipment and then renews the fighting.  Any of this sound familiar? Now that I have simplified the ideas behind a cease fire lets just get to the point where you say the mahdi&#8217;s were never in a cease fire position but a freeze. In that case and ass stomping the received is tough shit for them. They could not keep up an operational tempo that matched the US and Iraqi military so they hid and hoped to wait for the purge to end, or to get resupplied. So for that they get pounded.</p>
<p>OK end of lesson.<br />
So what else have you been instructed to spread? I hope we build up the Iraqi Air Force to be one of the most dominant in the whole ME even if it means leaving instructors (retired US pilots) to train and fly missions. Let&#8217;s see the Iranian air farce (not misspelled) deal with that. They can try and get the mothballed f-14&#8242;s in the air, or they can keep shelling out millions upon millions for russian jets with down graded avionics. Iran was getting their ass handed to them by the joke that was the Iraqi military, could you imagine the slaughter Iran would be walking into if they went up against an Iraqi army trained and maybe led by US advisors? Artillery field day is one thing that pops in my head.</p>
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		<title>By: sashal</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5388/comment-page-1#comment-321900</link>
		<dc:creator>sashal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>most allegations about Iran&#039;s role in Iraq and the region are unfounded . Iran was responsible for ending the recent fighting in Basra and calming the situation after Iraqi parliamentarians who backed Prime Minister Maliki approached it. The Iranians, never close to Muqtada or his family, were so annoyed with Muqtada and his presence that they reportedly ordered him out of Iran where he had been living in virtual house arrest anyway since arriving six months earlier. Iranian officials and the state media clearly supported Prime Minister Maliki and the Iraqi government against what they described as &quot;illegal armed groups&quot; in the recent conflict in Basra, which is not surprising given that their main proxy in Iraq, the Supreme Iraqi Islamic Council dominates the Iraqi state and is Maliki&#039;s main backer. 

The Supreme Council is of course also the main proxy for the US in Iraq and somehow in the Senate testimony it was forgotten that its large Badr militia was established in Iran and is actually the only Iraqi opposition group to have fought on the Iranian side against Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. Moreover, the Badr militia was a branch of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that is so demonized today, and Badr dominates the ministry of interior, if not most of Iraq at the higher echelons. 
If militias are the main problem in Iraq, then the U.S. policy of creating new Sunni militias and empowering them to rule walled off fiefdoms does not bode well for the weak Iraqi government, especially when these Sunni militias view the Iraqi government as their main enemy. These Sunni militias, called &quot;Awakening groups,&quot; Concerned Local Citizens, Iraqi Security Volunteers, Critical Infrastructure Security Guards and Sons of Iraq are composed of former resistance fighters who collaborated with al Qaeda to fight Shiites and the Americans but put their fight against the Americans on hold so as to concentrate on fighting the Shiites in the next round of the civil war. Iraq&#039;s Shiites are not thrilled that the Sunni militias who were slaughtering them are now resurgent. In August 2007 the Mahdi Army had declared a &quot;freeze,&quot; often mistranslated as a ceasefire. But the US military and the Maliki-Badr militia alliance continued to arrest and target the Sadrists and the Mahdi Army. If anything, they violated the ceasefire.

Salah al Ubaidi, Muqtada al Sadr&#039;s spokesmen recently admitted that his movement was not getting along with Iran. Iran had helped them in the past but accounts of large Iranian arms shipments were &quot;greatly exaggerated.&quot; Muqtada refused to be a slave to Iran he said, implying that other Iraqi Shiite leaders were. In fact Mahdi Army members in Iraq have taken to blaming the actions of their more notorious members on Iran, adopting a position similar, if disingenuous, to that of Iraq&#039;s Sunnis. Al Ubaidi also recently denounced Iran, accusing it of sharing control of Iraq with the Americans and criticizing Iran for not objecting to the long term security deal the Americans and Prime Minister Maliki are working on, to make the American military presence a permanent one. (N.Rosen)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>most allegations about Iran&#8217;s role in Iraq and the region are unfounded . Iran was responsible for ending the recent fighting in Basra and calming the situation after Iraqi parliamentarians who backed Prime Minister Maliki approached it. The Iranians, never close to Muqtada or his family, were so annoyed with Muqtada and his presence that they reportedly ordered him out of Iran where he had been living in virtual house arrest anyway since arriving six months earlier. Iranian officials and the state media clearly supported Prime Minister Maliki and the Iraqi government against what they described as &#8220;illegal armed groups&#8221; in the recent conflict in Basra, which is not surprising given that their main proxy in Iraq, the Supreme Iraqi Islamic Council dominates the Iraqi state and is Maliki&#8217;s main backer. </p>
<p>The Supreme Council is of course also the main proxy for the US in Iraq and somehow in the Senate testimony it was forgotten that its large Badr militia was established in Iran and is actually the only Iraqi opposition group to have fought on the Iranian side against Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. Moreover, the Badr militia was a branch of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that is so demonized today, and Badr dominates the ministry of interior, if not most of Iraq at the higher echelons.<br />
If militias are the main problem in Iraq, then the U.S. policy of creating new Sunni militias and empowering them to rule walled off fiefdoms does not bode well for the weak Iraqi government, especially when these Sunni militias view the Iraqi government as their main enemy. These Sunni militias, called &#8220;Awakening groups,&#8221; Concerned Local Citizens, Iraqi Security Volunteers, Critical Infrastructure Security Guards and Sons of Iraq are composed of former resistance fighters who collaborated with al Qaeda to fight Shiites and the Americans but put their fight against the Americans on hold so as to concentrate on fighting the Shiites in the next round of the civil war. Iraq&#8217;s Shiites are not thrilled that the Sunni militias who were slaughtering them are now resurgent. In August 2007 the Mahdi Army had declared a &#8220;freeze,&#8221; often mistranslated as a ceasefire. But the US military and the Maliki-Badr militia alliance continued to arrest and target the Sadrists and the Mahdi Army. If anything, they violated the ceasefire.</p>
<p>Salah al Ubaidi, Muqtada al Sadr&#8217;s spokesmen recently admitted that his movement was not getting along with Iran. Iran had helped them in the past but accounts of large Iranian arms shipments were &#8220;greatly exaggerated.&#8221; Muqtada refused to be a slave to Iran he said, implying that other Iraqi Shiite leaders were. In fact Mahdi Army members in Iraq have taken to blaming the actions of their more notorious members on Iran, adopting a position similar, if disingenuous, to that of Iraq&#8217;s Sunnis. Al Ubaidi also recently denounced Iran, accusing it of sharing control of Iraq with the Americans and criticizing Iran for not objecting to the long term security deal the Americans and Prime Minister Maliki are working on, to make the American military presence a permanent one. (N.Rosen)</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we leave Iraq we leave the Middle East to Iran with a bomb. But that&#039;s ok because we will fight in Afghanistan, until that gets too hard and costs money we could otherwise use on domestic projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we leave Iraq we leave the Middle East to Iran with a bomb. But that&#8217;s ok because we will fight in Afghanistan, until that gets too hard and costs money we could otherwise use on domestic projects.</p>
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		<title>By: sashal</title>
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		<dc:creator>sashal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obliterate Iran and be done with that....
enough hard evidence presented. 
M.Gordon was always reliable source of independent not-pro-government based reporting so  was his ex-colleague  Judi Miller</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obliterate Iran and be done with that&#8230;.<br />
enough hard evidence presented.<br />
M.Gordon was always reliable source of independent not-pro-government based reporting so  was his ex-colleague  Judi Miller</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5388/comment-page-1#comment-321819</link>
		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget Iran&#039;s arming of the Taliban in Afghanistan, too.  Iran for some reason is able to get away with pretty much whatever they want, to include building nukes.  I wonder why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Iran&#8217;s arming of the Taliban in Afghanistan, too.  Iran for some reason is able to get away with pretty much whatever they want, to include building nukes.  I wonder why.</p>
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