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		<title>By: MerlinOS2</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5442/comment-page-3#comment-330219</link>
		<dc:creator>MerlinOS2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One part Kerry UN permission slip plus one part Carter appeasement mentality plus one part Gore global warming stupidity and you end up still with only a partial picture on this empty suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One part Kerry UN permission slip plus one part Carter appeasement mentality plus one part Gore global warming stupidity and you end up still with only a partial picture on this empty suit.</p>
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		<title>By: dave m</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason Barack Hussein Obama wants us out of Iraq is because he
wants to hand the islamists a stunning victory. It is not complicated.
He cannot say what he really wants, US out of the Middle East entirely,
the destruction of Israel, and the islamic conquest of The West, because
that would break his taqiyya and it is not yet time to pounce.

Obama is still an islamist in hiding. He will not drop the taqiyya easily.
Steps along his road to one world sharia government will include letting
the islamists take back over in Iraq (he already said that fears of a
genocide happening in Iraq do not constitute a reason to remain),
allowing Iran and Syria to get workable atomic bombs, allowing the
destruction of Israel, and then very gradually suggesting to the Americans
that the way out of their difficulties is to embrace islam. Dar es Salam,
I believe they call it.

That&#039;s his plan. Even the Left don&#039;t get it. They think they&#039;ll be allowed
to keep their alternate living arrangements, their drugs and music,
the crappy new world wines, and all the flowers of protest. In word NO.
They won&#039;t be allowed any of that.

Imagine for a moment if President Bush became a muslim, then renounced
it and went back to Christianity. Every islamist in the world would brand
him an apostate and insist on the islamic punishment for apostasy,
which is quite severe indeed. Not a peep out for Obama, though he was
born a muslim and raised in madrassas but now claims to have converted
to Christianity. That makes him an apostate. But it&#039;s quiet out there -
too quiet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Barack Hussein Obama wants us out of Iraq is because he<br />
wants to hand the islamists a stunning victory. It is not complicated.<br />
He cannot say what he really wants, US out of the Middle East entirely,<br />
the destruction of Israel, and the islamic conquest of The West, because<br />
that would break his taqiyya and it is not yet time to pounce.</p>
<p>Obama is still an islamist in hiding. He will not drop the taqiyya easily.<br />
Steps along his road to one world sharia government will include letting<br />
the islamists take back over in Iraq (he already said that fears of a<br />
genocide happening in Iraq do not constitute a reason to remain),<br />
allowing Iran and Syria to get workable atomic bombs, allowing the<br />
destruction of Israel, and then very gradually suggesting to the Americans<br />
that the way out of their difficulties is to embrace islam. Dar es Salam,<br />
I believe they call it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s his plan. Even the Left don&#8217;t get it. They think they&#8217;ll be allowed<br />
to keep their alternate living arrangements, their drugs and music,<br />
the crappy new world wines, and all the flowers of protest. In word NO.<br />
They won&#8217;t be allowed any of that.</p>
<p>Imagine for a moment if President Bush became a muslim, then renounced<br />
it and went back to Christianity. Every islamist in the world would brand<br />
him an apostate and insist on the islamic punishment for apostasy,<br />
which is quite severe indeed. Not a peep out for Obama, though he was<br />
born a muslim and raised in madrassas but now claims to have converted<br />
to Christianity. That makes him an apostate. But it&#8217;s quiet out there -<br />
too quiet.</p>
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		<title>By: ivehadit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivehadit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And having the UN come here to talk about racism? BRING IT ON. One of the world&#039;s most abusive groups thinks they can come here and tell us ANYTHING? 

Get lost. But then again, you are just a great motivator for our heartland troops. 

And Mark Lamont, we are not going to be called on the carpet BY ANYONE, you jerk. And that goes for you, too, Barack Hussein Obama. 

Anti-American agenda, pure and simple. This is war. Serious war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And having the UN come here to talk about racism? BRING IT ON. One of the world&#8217;s most abusive groups thinks they can come here and tell us ANYTHING? </p>
<p>Get lost. But then again, you are just a great motivator for our heartland troops. </p>
<p>And Mark Lamont, we are not going to be called on the carpet BY ANYONE, you jerk. And that goes for you, too, Barack Hussein Obama. </p>
<p>Anti-American agenda, pure and simple. This is war. Serious war.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per unit of economic output (per dollar of GDP) we are the most energy efficient there is, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per unit of economic output (per dollar of GDP) we are the most energy efficient there is, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Frogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think John Kerry drew a crowd of 65,000 or so in Portland Or in 2004 didn&#039;t he?   He drew a crowd of 80,000 in Wisconsin (but, he had Bruce Springsfield perform....so that doesn&#039;t  count).   

Portland Or is the next San Francisco.   But, I&#039;ll give Obama credit for being able to draw a huge crowd.   Of course the Marxist anti-war protester usually draw an average of 75,000 protesters......so, I don&#039;t really read too much into it.

About Obama and his demands for the rest of us?

Yeah, right.......

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Obama traded gas guzzler for hybrid in 2007

 Now in Obama&#039;s case, keep in mind that thermostat he allegedly keeps at 72 degrees is in a &quot;stately&quot; $1.65 million dollar home. Quite a house for four people, looks like each has their own garbage container in this pic. Funny, I don&#039;t see a recycling bin. lol 

And he dumped his Chrysler 300C for a Hybrid ... in 2007.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/
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I heard some analyst say today that even though our economy and population had grown in leaps and bounds.....our energy consumption has remained faily steady.   So, it seems we have conserved, and used technology to our advantage.  So it seems to me that we have done a good job.   I couldn&#039;t find a quick reference to those stats (I&#039;m sure some blogger will).   But, I did find this chart of US energy consumption.    Not much difference between 1980 and the last year on the graph (2003).  You can view graphs here:

US Energy Consumption
http://wilcoxen.maxwell.insightworks.com/pages/804.html

I think Obama is about &quot;doom and gloom&quot; and &quot;bad, bad America&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think John Kerry drew a crowd of 65,000 or so in Portland Or in 2004 didn&#8217;t he?   He drew a crowd of 80,000 in Wisconsin (but, he had Bruce Springsfield perform&#8230;.so that doesn&#8217;t  count).   </p>
<p>Portland Or is the next San Francisco.   But, I&#8217;ll give Obama credit for being able to draw a huge crowd.   Of course the Marxist anti-war protester usually draw an average of 75,000 protesters&#8230;&#8230;so, I don&#8217;t really read too much into it.</p>
<p>About Obama and his demands for the rest of us?</p>
<p>Yeah, right&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Obama traded gas guzzler for hybrid in 2007</p>
<p> Now in Obama&#8217;s case, keep in mind that thermostat he allegedly keeps at 72 degrees is in a &#8220;stately&#8221; $1.65 million dollar home. Quite a house for four people, looks like each has their own garbage container in this pic. Funny, I don&#8217;t see a recycling bin. lol </p>
<p>And he dumped his Chrysler 300C for a Hybrid &#8230; in 2007.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/" rel="nofollow">http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>I heard some analyst say today that even though our economy and population had grown in leaps and bounds&#8230;..our energy consumption has remained faily steady.   So, it seems we have conserved, and used technology to our advantage.  So it seems to me that we have done a good job.   I couldn&#8217;t find a quick reference to those stats (I&#8217;m sure some blogger will).   But, I did find this chart of US energy consumption.    Not much difference between 1980 and the last year on the graph (2003).  You can view graphs here:</p>
<p>US Energy Consumption<br />
<a href="http://wilcoxen.maxwell.insightworks.com/pages/804.html" rel="nofollow">http://wilcoxen.maxwell.insightworks.com/pages/804.html</a></p>
<p>I think Obama is about &#8220;doom and gloom&#8221; and &#8220;bad, bad America&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ivehadit</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so outraged at Barack Obama and all his buddies in the global socialist movement telling us what we have to do according to the &quot;World Court, Euro&#039;s, UN, a consensus...blah, blah, blah. 

That alone is enough to rally the heartland troops and vote this clown down in November. WE ARE NOT A SOCIALIST COUNTRY and we will NEVER BE ONE.

Wake up America! Global socialists WANT this country to lose its soverignty. Want it to be brought &quot;down to size&quot;...so other countries may feel better about themselves, even though they are thugs and dictators who won&#039;t even give FREE food to their injured and starving...

1865 was just a warm-up. We will NOT ALLOW Barack Obama et al to take over this country and turn it back into Europe. EVER. So bring it on. We are ready. Ya listening, soros?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so outraged at Barack Obama and all his buddies in the global socialist movement telling us what we have to do according to the &#8220;World Court, Euro&#8217;s, UN, a consensus&#8230;blah, blah, blah. </p>
<p>That alone is enough to rally the heartland troops and vote this clown down in November. WE ARE NOT A SOCIALIST COUNTRY and we will NEVER BE ONE.</p>
<p>Wake up America! Global socialists WANT this country to lose its soverignty. Want it to be brought &#8220;down to size&#8221;&#8230;so other countries may feel better about themselves, even though they are thugs and dictators who won&#8217;t even give FREE food to their injured and starving&#8230;</p>
<p>1865 was just a warm-up. We will NOT ALLOW Barack Obama et al to take over this country and turn it back into Europe. EVER. So bring it on. We are ready. Ya listening, soros?</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article3964957.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; just wow&lt;/a&gt;!

Iraq could have largest oil reserves in the world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8230; <a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article3964957.ece" rel="nofollow"> just wow</a>!</p>
<p>Iraq could have largest oil reserves in the world</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soothie:

Are you really stupid enough to believe that lie? Honestly? You call the Bush administration liars and yet you come with a claim like that without an iota of evidence. This comes after years of claims by some people that 100,000 a year died because of the sanctions.

And here is Obama saying that Iran is stronger because of the war in Iraq. Oh yeah, if the US and the UN had just let Saddam get away with violating cease fires and kicking out UN inspectors and slaughtering his own people, I am sure that the mullahs would have been chastened.

children, you are like children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soothie:</p>
<p>Are you really stupid enough to believe that lie? Honestly? You call the Bush administration liars and yet you come with a claim like that without an iota of evidence. This comes after years of claims by some people that 100,000 a year died because of the sanctions.</p>
<p>And here is Obama saying that Iran is stronger because of the war in Iraq. Oh yeah, if the US and the UN had just let Saddam get away with violating cease fires and kicking out UN inspectors and slaughtering his own people, I am sure that the mullahs would have been chastened.</p>
<p>children, you are like children.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>700,000 were not killed. This silly number has been debunked time and again by all sorts of experts on both sides of the debate. There is no truth to it.

That is what I mean, the left is so dependent on bogus claims and propaganda that they are in no position to be questioning anyone else&#039;s integrity. 

Just think about how ludicrous that claim is. Where are these people? Who were they?  There are no bodies, no evidence, no nothing. Just some bs that people like norm are silly enough to believe. 

That is more than 100,000 a year. That is how many  day? Think about it. It is stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>700,000 were not killed. This silly number has been debunked time and again by all sorts of experts on both sides of the debate. There is no truth to it.</p>
<p>That is what I mean, the left is so dependent on bogus claims and propaganda that they are in no position to be questioning anyone else&#8217;s integrity. </p>
<p>Just think about how ludicrous that claim is. Where are these people? Who were they?  There are no bodies, no evidence, no nothing. Just some bs that people like norm are silly enough to believe. </p>
<p>That is more than 100,000 a year. That is how many  day? Think about it. It is stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker9876</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker9876</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cost of the Iraqi war is only 4 percent of the national GDP.  It&#039;s the smallest percentage ever.

If 700,000 were killed, they were killed by the insurgents.  Add over 1 million killed by Saddam.  The Lancet Report is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cost of the Iraqi war is only 4 percent of the national GDP.  It&#8217;s the smallest percentage ever.</p>
<p>If 700,000 were killed, they were killed by the insurgents.  Add over 1 million killed by Saddam.  The Lancet Report is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and norm needs to read the Iraqi Liberation Act. He needs to read Zinni&#039;s remarks to the Senate in Feb 2000, before Bush even became president. He needs to read the Senate Resolution that was passed giving the President authority to go into Iraq, that was Democratic Senate.

He needs to read  UN Resolution 1441, calling on Saddam to comply with the United Nations. It took years to get to that point, and the Democrats were on board all the way.

Until was politically advantageous to bail. Too bad for  those Iraqis who actually took us at our word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and norm needs to read the Iraqi Liberation Act. He needs to read Zinni&#8217;s remarks to the Senate in Feb 2000, before Bush even became president. He needs to read the Senate Resolution that was passed giving the President authority to go into Iraq, that was Democratic Senate.</p>
<p>He needs to read  UN Resolution 1441, calling on Saddam to comply with the United Nations. It took years to get to that point, and the Democrats were on board all the way.</p>
<p>Until was politically advantageous to bail. Too bad for  those Iraqis who actually took us at our word.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>norm:

Well unless you expected Saddam to hang himself he would still be in power if you had your way. I have heard all sorts of little anti war people talk about how much better off the Iraqis would be if Saddam were sill in power.

But then again there would have been a coup right? and it would have gone like clockwork and been flawless?

or Saddam would have seen the error of his ways, stopped hiding illicit weapons programs, shooting at our planes and killing his people. A sort of spiritual transformation. 

you people are like children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>norm:</p>
<p>Well unless you expected Saddam to hang himself he would still be in power if you had your way. I have heard all sorts of little anti war people talk about how much better off the Iraqis would be if Saddam were sill in power.</p>
<p>But then again there would have been a coup right? and it would have gone like clockwork and been flawless?</p>
<p>or Saddam would have seen the error of his ways, stopped hiding illicit weapons programs, shooting at our planes and killing his people. A sort of spiritual transformation. </p>
<p>you people are like children.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>norm, The Democrats were completely on board ... right up until the bullets started to fly.  It was hilarious when two weeks into the war, journalists used the word &quot;quagmire&quot; for the first time.  It was like the Peanuts cartoon where congress holds the football and once Bush is committed, they pull the ball away and he falls down.

Actually, true democracy is the cruelest form of government. It is pure mob rule.  In total majority rule, nobody looks out for the minority.  That is why we are a republic, not a democracy.  Having the people vote on referendums for things defeats the purpose of a republic where the RIGHT thing to do may not be the POPULAR thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>norm, The Democrats were completely on board &#8230; right up until the bullets started to fly.  It was hilarious when two weeks into the war, journalists used the word &#8220;quagmire&#8221; for the first time.  It was like the Peanuts cartoon where congress holds the football and once Bush is committed, they pull the ball away and he falls down.</p>
<p>Actually, true democracy is the cruelest form of government. It is pure mob rule.  In total majority rule, nobody looks out for the minority.  That is why we are a republic, not a democracy.  Having the people vote on referendums for things defeats the purpose of a republic where the RIGHT thing to do may not be the POPULAR thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Soothsayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soothsayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh . . . Crosspatch . . . ask the 700,000 DEAD Iraqis if the money was well spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh . . . Crosspatch . . . ask the 700,000 DEAD Iraqis if the money was well spent.</p>
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		<title>By: norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>terrye...show me where one democratic leader is mourning saddams loss?  just one.  the different rule you refer to are different rules for factual basis...so called conservatives have none.  if you have to lie to make your point, it isn&#039;t much of a point is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>terrye&#8230;show me where one democratic leader is mourning saddams loss?  just one.  the different rule you refer to are different rules for factual basis&#8230;so called conservatives have none.  if you have to lie to make your point, it isn&#8217;t much of a point is it?</p>
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