It is not only Wright but that large group of people who were standing, hooting and clapping as that Racist was shouting about ‘Whitey”. Would you sit in your church and listen to your preacher shout about “Blackie”?

The answer to that question is NO. You would tell him you did not appreciate that attitude or never go back to that place. Yes, it is about attitude. Obama was inspired to a book by this man.

He gives a speech where he hopes to open a conversation about race while he is trying to cover his azzz. I hear that constantly …………….that we need to talk about race. Why? Because supposely, whiteys are racists.

This is about one man who wants to be my president after associating with racists. In my face. No thanks. Is it because he is black? NO, no, no. I can name several people that I respect enough that I would be happy to consider for my vote. Their being black is neither a plus nor minus. They are people with a record of opinions that I have grown to respect. Why would I care if they are black, white, purple or green?

conman is blowing smoke.

How naive do you have to be to believe that? You don’t go to passionate energetic church like that for 20 years if you dont believe in its basic philosophy.

It’s astounding to me how stupid, yes, stupid, Obama apologists sound. Completely devoid of any common sense.

We’re to believe he sat there for 20 years, in total disagreement of all of Wright’s screaming and the crowd’s cheering.

Yeah right.

There is a basis for the skepticism, because the whole point of the church is “Black Liberation Theology” which accuses America of the ills of the world. That is why Wright could say the things he did in the church. If a person sat in the Catholic church for 20 years would you be amazed to know that person did believe in the Pope.
So you are telling me that Obama went to church but didn’t believe in “Black Liberation Theology”, didn’t know who Wright was or what he was preaching, didn’t know that America caused the ills of the world? Holy Cow Conman, Obama is a bigger phony then I thought.

To ask question about who someone is not a smear campaign, it would not matter to me if the guy were white or blue, if the guy sat in the church for 20 years I would be asking the same questions of any potential Commander in Chief.

Obama has answered those questions. He repudiated Rev. Wrights comments and explained why he does not adhere to them. He specifically addressed the divide between those black leaders whom were part of the civil rights movement and formed their beliefs based on their experiences, and those that are post civil rights leaders (such as Obama) whom have different experiences and beliefs. What more do you want him to do? Keep in mind – there is no evidence, zero, of any statement that Obama himself has made (publically or privately) endorsing the Black Liberation movement or similar theories.

I respect the fact that you can be skeptical of his answers since he is a politician, but I’m just trying to get you to look at the bigger picture. Don’t judge him based exclusively on the statements that others have made whom he has been associated. Don’t assume that because there are two videos of Rev. Wright making improper statements that every Sunday at Trinity Church was filled with anti-american and hate speech. There is no basis for that theory. Look at the whole picture. Look at what he says now and what Obama himself said in the past. Look at what he did with his life and ask yourself – does that sound like someone who hates this country? If you do this and still don’t trust him, that is fine – that is why we all each get a vote. Just don’t fall for all of the smear tactics.

Again, as for your comments about his policies, that is a different topic for another day. But remember also, that part of the smear campaign and character assassination is to label anyone that doesn’t believe in your policies as anti-american. Both the left and right do it a lot more today. Just because you don’t agree with Obama on certain policy issues does not mean he is unamerican. It just means he disagrees with you.

Why would conman directly address Obama? Why look at anything there… there’s Jerry Fallwell to point to because of a stupid comment about a hurricane. That is much more substantial than the Marxist running for President.

The real point Conman is that I don’t know what to believe, because he is so vague I could almost believe anything. It is not a matter of who loves this country more, Mother Africa is the center of liberation theology.

I don’t like character assassination either. We have had enough of it to last a life time in the last 8 years. What I’m asking is WHAT DOES OBAMA BELIEVE IN, WHERE DOES HE STAND, WHAT IS HIS RELATIONSHIP TO BLACK LIBERATION PHILOSOPHY. These are fair questions. There are a bunch of people who he has been friends with that it turns out he says he didn’t really know. What in the hell does he know?

I found a classic racist comment by Robertson that I just had to add in case you come back with – well they may be anti-american and anti-semetic, but I don’t see any racist comments. Here it is:

Speaking on his “700 Club” program (Thursday, May 11, 2006), Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson attacked Planned Parenthood as “an organization that is trying to set up black genocide,” citing a higher incidence of abortions among African-Americans. * * * Said Robertson, “Planned Parenthood has gotten $100 million, $50 million each from the Ford Foundation and The Rockefeller Foundation. Why do these wealthy, so-called Republican organizations pay for it? Because they were alarmed by the growth of black community and they didn’t want to have to support a bunch of indigent black babies. I mean that is the dirty little secret in there.”

So you don’t think that Falwell and Robertson’s comments the day after 9-11 were anti-american? Here are some excerpts of a 9/14/01 Washington Post article discussing their comments:

“God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve,” said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network’s “700 Club,” hosted by Robertson. “Jerry, that’s my feeling,” Robertson responded.

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Robertson and others on the religious right gave critical backing to Bush last year when he was battling for the GOP presidential nomination. A White House official called the remarks “inappropriate” and added, “The president does not share those views.”

Falwell was unrepentant, saying in an interview that he was “making a theological statement, not a legal statement.”

“I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist,” he said. But he said America’s “secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord’s [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture . . . the result is not good.”

Yeah, nothing anti-american here at all. I mean, who doesn’t agree that 9-11 is “probabaly what we deserve”.

What about this gem – “Pat Robertson’s Perspective,” April – May 1992; “The strategy against the American radical left should be the same as General Douglas MacArthur employed against the Japanese in the Pacific . . . bypass their strongholds, then surround them, isolate them bombard them, then blast the individuals out of their power bunkers with hand-to-hand combat. The battle for Iwo Jima was not pleasant, but our troops won it. The battle to regain the soul of America won’t be pleasant either, but we will win it.” Advocating killing off fellow Americans – what is wrong with that?

As for the racists comments, will you accept anti-semitic comments? On the January 5, 2006, on the 700 Club telecast, Robertson said that Israeli Prime Minister Sharon’s illness was possibly retribution from God for his recent drive to give more land to the Palestinians. He also claimed former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin’s 1995 assassination may have occurred for the same reason. Sounds okay to me – why the hell did Israel freak out, everyone knows that this is true.

I could point out a whole lot more, but I don’t have all day to spend on this. But I think this brief sampling makes my point. Keep in mind, these are religious leaders that have been very influential with the GOP. GOP candidates regularly court their endorsements. McCain has done so himself this election. So while you are worried about the influence of Obama’s preacher, whom he has clearly had a falling out with, I’m worried about the other racist, anti-american and down right crazy preachers whom have had and continue to have a heavy influence on GOP policies and leaders.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1990117/posts

You may not think of Obama as a racist, but that is the whole purpose for others raising these issues about Rev. Wright and other affiliations. They want people to believe that Obama believes in the Black Liberation movement theories and that therefore he will adopt policies that further this movement’s goals. I think it is pretty obvious that the purpose for this angle is to scare white America into not voting for him.

I won’t try to argue with you on all of the policy stances Obama has taken, that is an entirely different discussion that will take up too much time and space to have here. But don’t confuse his willingness to use more diplomacy as an indication that he loves this country less. It is simply a different view on foreign policy that the country gets to decide based on the contrast between Obama and McCain. All of the Democratic candidates took the position that we need more diplomacy. The majority of the country believes we need a different direction on foreign policy, including more diplomacy. So it is hardly something unique about Obama. Keep in mind, many conservatives accused Reagan of treason when he negotiated with Gorbachev.

Why would you believe that his loyalty could be to Africa, as opposed to the US? He’s lived his whole adult life in the US. He has been actively involved in his community throughout his adult life and has been a public servant for over 10 years. Why would he do all of these things if he wasn’t loyal to the US and thought it was evil? Do you honestly believe that he made all of these scarifices, hiding all of his animosity toward the US, in the hopes that one day he could become president and turn on this country? That is such a far-fetched conspiracy theory I don’t even know where to begin. Again, why do you put so much weight on his affilitations with Rev. Wright and dismiss his entire life accomplishments? Remember what you said, actions speak louder than words.

I agree that he will not be able to accomplish all that he claims to intend to accomplish, but how is that any different from any other presidential candidate? They all make grandiose claims that we know they can’t possibly achieve. We need to sift through these promises to figure out which once can and likely will be accomplished. Why are you singling Obama out on this issue when you know all politicians do it?

I do believe that Obama loves this country and will try to do the right thing. He is hardly perfect and nobody knows for sure how effective he will be, but I do believe his heart is in the right place. I think the same thing about McCain. For me this election is not about which candidate loves the country more, it is about who is right on the critical issues. For once in a long time I’d like the election to actually be about the issues. Not smear campaigns, character assasinations and rumor mongering. That’s why I hate this kind of stuff about Obama. That is why I hated the fact that McCain got caught up in the same smear job in 2000. The next 4 to 8 years are far too important to decide the next president based on who we fear the least.

Fallwell Hagee and Robertson were not hate-America racists. And “controversial” hardly qualifies as pro-terrorist or racist.

Now that the Left’s PlameGate hero, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, has gotten convictions of Obama buddy, Tony Rezko, just how long will it take for the Left to throw Fitz “under the bus” if he plays “Let’s Make a Deal” with Rezko to get him to “tell all” ?

I haven’t even thought about Obama being a racist.

My biggest worry about Obama is his relationship to this country.

If America is bad, if Hamas represents the down trodden, if killers are freedom fighters, if he would meet with Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea without preconditions he is very naive or drawn to dictators and really bad guys and thinks he could have a relationship with them because he understands them so well! Did he say he would meet with those people just to be different then Bush, I don’t know, but if he did he is stupid on international relations. And he is naive thinking that Bush has not told Iran what we want and what we will give in exchange. Because he has, and has never missed an opportunity to tell the Iranian people that we respect them.

The primary job of the President is to be Commander in Chief. Is his loyalty to, Mother Africa or the United States of America. The Commander in Chief has to make very difficult decisions that effect all of us. I want to know in my heart of hearts that Wright did not rub off on him. I don’t know that.

No one has ever asked him if he believes in “Black Liberation Theology”. He can give up Rev. Wright, but what part of the theology lives in his heart. I wonder if it had something to do with why he doesn’t wear the flag pin. Now he wears it because…..why? Why saying God Bless America is almost an after thought.

Black Liberationists believe that America is responsible for the evils of the world, from slavery, raping other countries of natural resources, terrible corporations, bad rich and on and on. What does Obama believe? I don’t know. I heard him say in his acceptance if we elect him, the oceans will recede, jobs will be plentiful and the sick will be taken care of as if that was a brand new concept. Actually he can do none of those things. So I’m thinking he is big on rhetoric and empty otherwise. But also it fits into what the church preaches.

So Conman, can you promise me that Obama loves this country, even though we have faults, respects the men and woman who serve this country, that we are good, that we are a generous, and that we are noble people. That he would put this country up there on par with God and family. Not knowing the answers to these question is what bothers me about Obama. Would I have the same questions for Condi Rice, Colon Powell, no.

You indicate that “a different treatment for Robertson and Hagee is justified by the fact that they are not candidates.” Apparently you are confused. Rev. Wright is not running for president. Obama is running for president and he is not the one who made the comments in question – it was Rev. Wright. People are attributing Rev. Wright’s comments to Obama based on the fact that he did not quit his church when he heard them, implying that his refusal to quit the church is tantamount to his agreement with these comments. So, the same logic should apply to Falwell/Robertson/Hagee – church members that did not quit the church after hearing these preachers make the racists, anti-american comments noted, must be presummed to agree with those comments? Right?

The same logic you applied to the Catholic church applies to Obama’s situation as well. Trinity Church is an Episcopal church, so let me take your same logic and apply it to this situation:

“Worshippers in the Episcopal Church, believe in the Episcopal Church. That hardly means that they appreciate the negligence of some of their hierarchy (such as Rev. Wright). Don’t forget Rev. Wright is a single member of the clergy. Conflating this with beliefs is bogus.”

Thanks for making my case, I couldn’t have said it better.

Falwell and Robertson’s 9-11 comments were hardly the only contraverisal comments they have made. Do a google search and you will see what i mean. These are not isolated instances. By the way, I need to remind you that there are two instances of Rev. Wright making contraversial comments during services. So is your point that once is fine, but two is unacceptable?

Face it Macker, you have two different standards. This is your third try to justify the different treatment and each time you dig yourself a bigger hole.