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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5518/comment-page-1#comment-341481</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H. L. Mencken said, â€œThe whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.â€

Mencken also said, &quot;The urge to save humanity is almost always the false-face for the urge to rule it.&quot;

Smart guy, that Mencken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H. L. Mencken said, â€œThe whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.â€</p>
<p>Mencken also said, &#8220;The urge to save humanity is almost always the false-face for the urge to rule it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Smart guy, that Mencken.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it interesting that given the gravity of the AGW issue (LOL), that the post-mortem of Lieberman-Warner is so mute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it interesting that given the gravity of the AGW issue (LOL), that the post-mortem of Lieberman-Warner is so mute.</p>
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		<title>By: MerlinOS2</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5518/comment-page-1#comment-338135</link>
		<dc:creator>MerlinOS2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neo

There are a number of individual proposed amendments that look to be getting prepped to attach to must pass bills that fall right in line with this agenda and they are hoping to slip them in under the radar.

By my last count there are at least ten that fit into this description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo</p>
<p>There are a number of individual proposed amendments that look to be getting prepped to attach to must pass bills that fall right in line with this agenda and they are hoping to slip them in under the radar.</p>
<p>By my last count there are at least ten that fit into this description.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5518/comment-page-1#comment-337952</link>
		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 04:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I firmly believed, after watching the last Senate hearings with oil company execs, that there was a full scale press to ram a &quot;AGW fix&quot; in the works, but don&#039;t think that Warner-Lieberman is the only action in this regard.  The hearings clearly showed that Congress, especially the Democrats, have &lt;b&gt;no interest in pumping more oil any where in the US&lt;/b&gt;.

It all revolves around &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/11/news/newsmakers/gore_kleiner.fortune/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Al Gore and his &quot;green&quot; friends&lt;/a&gt;.  And, of course, it involves lots of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I firmly believed, after watching the last Senate hearings with oil company execs, that there was a full scale press to ram a &#8220;AGW fix&#8221; in the works, but don&#8217;t think that Warner-Lieberman is the only action in this regard.  The hearings clearly showed that Congress, especially the Democrats, have <b>no interest in pumping more oil any where in the US</b>.</p>
<p>It all revolves around <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/11/news/newsmakers/gore_kleiner.fortune/" rel="nofollow">Al Gore and his &#8220;green&#8221; friends</a>.  And, of course, it involves lots of money.</p>
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		<title>By: The Rougman</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5518/comment-page-1#comment-337782</link>
		<dc:creator>The Rougman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crosspatch, I think you are giving the knuckleheads in Seattle a bit more credit than they deserve.  They might very well want to end the bonfires because of the mess, etc., but they are also scared to death of global warming and have swallowed Gore&#039;s swill hook, line and sinker.   

Two birds with one stone and all that. &lt;blockquote&gt;Cleaver Americans can and will find solutions to our problems.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  And kathie, with all due respect, this whole discussion is way beyond Wally and the Beav.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crosspatch, I think you are giving the knuckleheads in Seattle a bit more credit than they deserve.  They might very well want to end the bonfires because of the mess, etc., but they are also scared to death of global warming and have swallowed Gore&#8217;s swill hook, line and sinker.   </p>
<p>Two birds with one stone and all that.<br />
<blockquote>Cleaver Americans can and will find solutions to our problems.</p></blockquote>
<p>  And kathie, with all due respect, this whole discussion is way beyond Wally and the Beav.</p>
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		<title>By: momdear1</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5518/comment-page-1#comment-337774</link>
		<dc:creator>momdear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more time. The Global warming stats and dire warnings are generated by the same people who gave us the &quot;Alar in the Apples&quot; scare. Most of their &quot;science Drs.&quot; have degrees and doctorates in subjects other than science but adding that Dr. in front of the names makes it look like they are real scientists. I worked with these people, and know their game plan. They are from the school of &quot;I can bullshit anybody about anything&quot; professional agitators who go back to the 60&#039;s radical militants of the Anti War and Civil Rights movements. Their followers are the youngesters who have been indoctorated in our public school systems by fellow travelers and America haters. What can we expect when black militants like Angela Davis and malcontents like Bill Ayers and other pro Communist . anti Capitalist, and anti America  activists have control of our Colleges and Universities? Until background checks weeds these people out of their spheres of influence and our schools and Universities are once more returned to places of learning instead of indoctrination we can expect no better than for our people to be influenced by a bunch of bullshit artist dunces who delight in watching us destroy our own way of life. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more time. The Global warming stats and dire warnings are generated by the same people who gave us the &#8220;Alar in the Apples&#8221; scare. Most of their &#8220;science Drs.&#8221; have degrees and doctorates in subjects other than science but adding that Dr. in front of the names makes it look like they are real scientists. I worked with these people, and know their game plan. They are from the school of &#8220;I can bullshit anybody about anything&#8221; professional agitators who go back to the 60&#8242;s radical militants of the Anti War and Civil Rights movements. Their followers are the youngesters who have been indoctorated in our public school systems by fellow travelers and America haters. What can we expect when black militants like Angela Davis and malcontents like Bill Ayers and other pro Communist . anti Capitalist, and anti America  activists have control of our Colleges and Universities? Until background checks weeds these people out of their spheres of influence and our schools and Universities are once more returned to places of learning instead of indoctrination we can expect no better than for our people to be influenced by a bunch of bullshit artist dunces who delight in watching us destroy our own way of life. .</p>
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		<title>By: MerlinOS2</title>
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		<dc:creator>MerlinOS2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama &lt;a href=&quot;http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gG5CpQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;released his statement&lt;/a&gt; on the failed Global Warming Bill today
  

First he basically dismisses anybody who doesn&#039;t have the faith in Gore

&lt;blockquote&gt;As this weekâ€™s debate on climate change has unfolded, the American people and those watching us around the world had every reason to hope that we would act.&#160; &lt;b&gt;Every credible scientist and expert believes action is necessary&lt;/b&gt;
  
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Then he buys into the world is just a Katrina flood in waiting stuff
  

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  We canâ€™t afford more of the same timid politics when the future of our planet is at stake. We are already breaking records with the intensity of our storms, the number of forest fires, and the periods of drought.&#160; &lt;b&gt;By 2050, famine could force more than 250 million from their homes.&#160; And if we do nothing, sea levels will rise high enough to swallow large portions of every coastal city and town.&lt;/b&gt;
  
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Even with the 45 trillion world wide cost estimate for a 50% reduction he goes for 80%

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  Let me be clear, this bill is not perfect.&#160; Emissions reductions must reflect the scientific &lt;b&gt;consensus&lt;/b&gt;, which are reductions of at least &lt;b&gt;80 percent 2050&lt;/b&gt;.&#160; We must ensure that more middle-class families reap more of the financial benefits created by this bill.&#160; And we must direct greater resources to the regions of the country that will bear the brunt of this critical transition to a clean energy economy.
  
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&#160;I cease to be amazed as to what you can do with a few facts and unlimited ignorance.
  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama <a href="http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gG5CpQ" rel="nofollow">released his statement</a> on the failed Global Warming Bill today</p>
<p>First he basically dismisses anybody who doesn&#8217;t have the faith in Gore</p>
<blockquote><p>As this weekâ€™s debate on climate change has unfolded, the American people and those watching us around the world had every reason to hope that we would act.&nbsp; <b>Every credible scientist and expert believes action is necessary</b></p>
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<p>Then he buys into the world is just a Katrina flood in waiting stuff</p>
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  We canâ€™t afford more of the same timid politics when the future of our planet is at stake. We are already breaking records with the intensity of our storms, the number of forest fires, and the periods of drought.&nbsp; <b>By 2050, famine could force more than 250 million from their homes.&nbsp; And if we do nothing, sea levels will rise high enough to swallow large portions of every coastal city and town.</b></p>
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<p>Even with the 45 trillion world wide cost estimate for a 50% reduction he goes for 80%</p>
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  Let me be clear, this bill is not perfect.&nbsp; Emissions reductions must reflect the scientific <b>consensus</b>, which are reductions of at least <b>80 percent 2050</b>.&nbsp; We must ensure that more middle-class families reap more of the financial benefits created by this bill.&nbsp; And we must direct greater resources to the regions of the country that will bear the brunt of this critical transition to a clean energy economy.</p>
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<p>&nbsp;I cease to be amazed as to what you can do with a few facts and unlimited ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Todays Current Events in the Environment &#187; Alert - &#8220;global warming&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todays Current Events in the Environment &#187; Alert - &#8220;global warming&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  The Global Warming Movement?s Tactical Mistake Exposes Its True &#8230;  By AJStrata  But it would appear the political consensus on global warming was as exaggerated as the alleged scientific consensus. ?With gasoline selling at $4 a gallon, the Democrats picked the worst possible time to bring up cap and trade,? says &#8230;   The Strata-Sphere - http://strata-sphere.com/blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  The Global Warming Movement?s Tactical Mistake Exposes Its True &#8230;  By AJStrata  But it would appear the political consensus on global warming was as exaggerated as the alleged scientific consensus. ?With gasoline selling at $4 a gallon, the Democrats picked the worst possible time to bring up cap and trade,? says &#8230;   The Strata-Sphere &#8211; <a href="http://strata-sphere.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://strata-sphere.com/blog</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The jig is up.

Socialism, which hasn&#039;t worked for 6,000 years and still doesn&#039;t work (hat tip: Milton Friedman), is making it&#039;s last move trying to use the environment as an excuse to grab  money from the people who work hard to make it and give it to...themselves and their supporters.  They are trying to play it as the money goes to &quot;green technologies&quot;.  

Once the high price of everything becomes apparent, they will then need to send this money to their constituents who require subsidies to maintain their current lifestyle. Voila!  Socialism keeps rolling.

Already, the enviros I know have moved away from &#039;Global Warming&#039;, calling it Climate Change, as if humans are making a material difference to the climate.

Just wait until the solar cycle plays out in 2012 and we start getting cooler.  It&#039;ll be entertaining to watch what they say when that happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jig is up.</p>
<p>Socialism, which hasn&#8217;t worked for 6,000 years and still doesn&#8217;t work (hat tip: Milton Friedman), is making it&#8217;s last move trying to use the environment as an excuse to grab  money from the people who work hard to make it and give it to&#8230;themselves and their supporters.  They are trying to play it as the money goes to &#8220;green technologies&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Once the high price of everything becomes apparent, they will then need to send this money to their constituents who require subsidies to maintain their current lifestyle. Voila!  Socialism keeps rolling.</p>
<p>Already, the enviros I know have moved away from &#8216;Global Warming&#8217;, calling it Climate Change, as if humans are making a material difference to the climate.</p>
<p>Just wait until the solar cycle plays out in 2012 and we start getting cooler.  It&#8217;ll be entertaining to watch what they say when that happens.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing that is happening is that governments are using &quot;Global Warming&quot; as a hook to do things where they can&#039;t come right out and say the real reason.  Take a recent move by a town council in Washington State to eliminate beach bonfires because of &quot;global warming&quot;.

A bonfire does not impact global warming.  That dead wood is going to decay if you don&#039;t burn it and release all its CO2 anyway.  And the carbon that is in it came from the air to begin with.  You basically have a chunk of carbon taken from buffalo farts and when you burn it or allow it to decay, you return the CO2.  

The council simply wants to end the bonfires.  My guess is that the fire pits cost money to maintain and create places for litter to collect that needs to be cleaned up.  But rather than come out and say that it is getting too expensive to maintain the fire pits, they try to use &quot;global warming&quot; as the excuse.

Look for that to happen more and more often.  Governments making decisions that adversely impact our quality of life and blaming it on &quot;global warming&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing that is happening is that governments are using &#8220;Global Warming&#8221; as a hook to do things where they can&#8217;t come right out and say the real reason.  Take a recent move by a town council in Washington State to eliminate beach bonfires because of &#8220;global warming&#8221;.</p>
<p>A bonfire does not impact global warming.  That dead wood is going to decay if you don&#8217;t burn it and release all its CO2 anyway.  And the carbon that is in it came from the air to begin with.  You basically have a chunk of carbon taken from buffalo farts and when you burn it or allow it to decay, you return the CO2.  </p>
<p>The council simply wants to end the bonfires.  My guess is that the fire pits cost money to maintain and create places for litter to collect that needs to be cleaned up.  But rather than come out and say that it is getting too expensive to maintain the fire pits, they try to use &#8220;global warming&#8221; as the excuse.</p>
<p>Look for that to happen more and more often.  Governments making decisions that adversely impact our quality of life and blaming it on &#8220;global warming&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/003128.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this linked at icecap&lt;/a&gt; and believe it:

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Basically, the problem is that the research community has gone so far along the path of frightening the life out of the man in the street that to recant publicly even part of the story would massively damage the reputation and political clout of science in general. And so, like corpuscles in the blood, researchers all over the world now rush in overwhelming numbers to repel infection by any idea that threatens the carefully cultivated belief in climatic disaster.â€
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw <a href="http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/003128.html" rel="nofollow">this linked at icecap</a> and believe it:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Basically, the problem is that the research community has gone so far along the path of frightening the life out of the man in the street that to recant publicly even part of the story would massively damage the reputation and political clout of science in general. And so, like corpuscles in the blood, researchers all over the world now rush in overwhelming numbers to repel infection by any idea that threatens the carefully cultivated belief in climatic disaster.â€
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that we can all agree on is that importing oil from much of the world is suicide. We as a nation can control where we get our oil, so lets do it and clean up our environment at the same time. Most don&#039;t like the fact the it is a process will take time, many layers of development. Cleaver Americans can and will find solutions to our problems. 

Bush presented a comprehensive energy plan in 2001. Can anyone tell me what happened to that plan? I remember it was comprehensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that we can all agree on is that importing oil from much of the world is suicide. We as a nation can control where we get our oil, so lets do it and clean up our environment at the same time. Most don&#8217;t like the fact the it is a process will take time, many layers of development. Cleaver Americans can and will find solutions to our problems. </p>
<p>Bush presented a comprehensive energy plan in 2001. Can anyone tell me what happened to that plan? I remember it was comprehensive.</p>
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