Comments on: Obama’s “Patriot” Speech Illustrates All His Faults

By: AJStrata

AJStrata — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:31:45 +0000

Norm, still here? Thought I fixed that?

By: norm

norm — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:58:24 +0000

terrye…i suggest you research the now defunct “project for a new american century”, the architects of this so called war. they explicitly said that one of the core reasons for regime change was to insure the flow of oil. and all the personal vendictives you toss out will not change the fact. the people of iraq would be a lot better off if the contracts were not negotiated by our state department as no-bid contracts.

By: Dc

Dc — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:50:50 +0000

Or is it..that we are just all stupid because we do not buy into your theory that has no basis in fact? While we recite facts to rebutt you?

By: Dc

Dc — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:50:15 +0000

I’m still waiting norm…..who is “we”. I assume you are talking about an “oil conspiracy”. I don’t recall the congress voting on that. Nor do I recall any statements from the Bush WH that we were attacking Iraq to take their oil. Nor do I see any proof whatsover that america is tanking off oil from Iraq. So, given your “facts”….what exactly the hell are you talking about???

By: Terrye

Terrye — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:32:15 +0000

norm think that when Obama wins Saint Barack will wave his magic wand and the oil fairy will appear and we will have cheap gas. No need for nasty old oil companies. Bad capitalists.

The truth is Obama’s speech was pure vanity. This campaign is all about him. And that is getting old.

By: Dc

Dc — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:59:35 +0000

You didn’t answer the question norm…who is “we”.

(we) really only wanted their oil.

actions speak louder than words.

By: Terrye

Terrye — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:08:44 +0000

and norm as for going back to the beginning of this “debacle”, when would that be? When Saddam fired on our planes or gassed the Kurds or tried to kill a president or filled mass graves with hundreds of thousands of people or defied the UN? You think that if we had not invaded when we did Saddam would be dancing about in fields of laughing butterflies. You have never dealt with the real world or the people in it.

By: Terrye

Terrye — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:01:31 +0000

The truth is people like Obama do not feel comfortable with patriotism. They equate it with nationalism. They are more comfortable with finding fault with their country than with supporting it. I do not trust Obama and like dave m, I mute him when he comes on. The man creeps me out.

By: Terrye

Terrye — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:59:56 +0000

big western oil my ass norm. More than 80% of the world’s oil is in the hands of governments, like say the Russians and the Venezualans.

I know that to hate mongers such as yourself Iraq=Oil. But when the United States supported the Iraqi Liberation Act years before Bush ever came to office it was understood that America supported democracy. Unless the president has an R behind his name in which case the Democrats support the mass murdering dictator our troops happen to be fighting.

The whole big oil thing is crap and you know it. But I will tell you this, the people of Iraq will be better off if that oil is developed. Then they might have something they never had with Saddam: a future and a decent standard of living.

By: norm

norm — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:49:25 +0000

kathie…
you can protect it for someone elses benefit…big western oil and no-bid contracts. do you really think no-bid contracts are the best way to benefit iraqis? where’s that bit of logic you just refered to? try using a little.

By: kathie

kathie — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:23:47 +0000

Norm I don’t read talking points, life experience and a bit of logic inform me. You can protect something without stealing it. You can protect it for someone else’s benefit. Your marching orders, the dems think the Iraqi’s owe us their oil for all that we have given them. Who wants what?

By: norm

norm — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:10:57 +0000

kuaiboy…bds is the blind cult-like following of incompetent un-ethical leaders.

By: norm

norm — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:08:07 +0000

kathie…
wow…your comment is almost verbatim parroting of the white house talking point. dana perrino said; “…â€œiraq is a sovereign country, and it can make decisions based on how it feels that it wants to move forward in its development of its oil resources..â€ you said; “…the difference between the united states taking iraqi oil and a private company bidding with a sovereign country. that country iraq, has a choice…” are you two the same people? or do you just get all the talking point faxes?
what did the rnc tell you to say about this? condi rice said that the u.s. gov’t. was not involved in iraq’s no-bid oil contracts. then it turned out that actually the state department played an integral role in drawing up contracts between the iraqi government and five major western oil companies. i say actions speak louder than words.
should we go back to the beginning of this debacle when we protected the oil ministry and nothing else including large weapons caches? or should we re-visit mccains quote when he said we needed to get off foreign oil because; “…that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the middle east…” maybe you need to review the justification the neocon architects of this “war” used before bush even got into office. writing to clinton in ’99 they said regime change was necessary to…you guessed it…insure the flow of oil.
saying this war has oil as one of the root causes does not mean the u.s. government is going into the gas station business. that’s your simple-minded conception.

By: norm

norm — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:02:54 +0000

dc…
progress is not victory. you want to acknoledge progress fine. you want to call a single tactic meant to serve a stragegic goal a success? fine. but do not call iraq a success or declare victory…it shows a lack of understanding. and your comment regarding time and money speaks volumes. at what point in the last 5-1/2 years did we blow past the cost benefit threshold?

By: KauaiBoy

KauaiBoy — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:00:37 +0000

Kathie, the answer to your question is the debilitating yet little understood disease known as BDS. Lord knows we have yet to see the full impact of this mentally crippling virus and can only hope that it will impact the autonomous functions of breathing and eye blinking in the near future. Other symptoms include a complete detachment from reality (promises of utopia are readily grasped though) and shrillness and repetition of speech.