This issue fundamentally affects ALL AMERICANS across the board. Our country cannot take another huge fiasco like this right now. Not with all the other issues we are having to presently contend with. The potential scenarios are chilling if he gets elected and it turns out that he was not eligible. What Chaos! I for one do not want to go there.

It is your’s and my right as citizens, to demand this of our Senate. This issue needs to be definitively settled before the upcoming DNC convention in August and most certainly before the election!!!

So get off your hands, look up your Senator and write your letter as a concerned citizen, if indeed you have doubts at all! I have already written.

Thanks, but all meaningless. The point I made was the fact HI is not investigating a fraud. Their willingness to discuss it without raising alarm bells means they KNOW they provided a copy to Obama.

This is the biggest joke I have ever seen. There were multiple reasons why the scan was a solid image of a real BC. The tell tales of the seal, signature area (which match the size and shape of other HI BCs) and the data stamp all bleeding through from the back show it to be a authentic scan.

Finally, Opendna’s ‘blank original’ is of much lower resolution – as those nut cases showed on their websites. You CANNOT recover lost resolution from jpeg images. There is no way to create the Kos image from the Opendna file – end of story.

There are ways for Opendna to lose the faint telltales though – which means this progression only goes one way, from the Kos/BHO scans to the Opendna mockup.

Sorry, but this myth has been busted. If you can’t believe me and Charles Johnson on technical matters, then it is like some layman telling you how to do law.

Cheers, AJStrata

JM Hanes Says:
July 7th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
AJ: You’ve assumed wrong. Janice Okubo, a spokesman for Hawaii’s Dept. of Health, specifically stated that she could not, in fact, confirm that they had issued a certification, nor could she confirm the information in any of the putative copies that had been emailed to her. She could confirm that requests had been made, but she could not confirm either who made them or whether those requests were filled. Providing any or all of the information above would require a specific release from the certificate holder, or in some instances immediate family members.

The only quote I’ve seen from Ms. Okuba which sounds definitive was originally provided by Amy Hollyfield, in St. Pertersburg, on June 18th:

To verify we did have the correct document, we contacted the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records.

“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo said after we e-mailed her our copy.

Okubo said a copy of the birth certificate was requested this month, but she wouldn’t specify by whom. But as we know from our attempts to get one in April, Hawaii law states that only family members can access such records.

On June 27th, however, when Ms. Hollyfield wrote up a subsequent contact regarding the seal. Ms. Okuba was apparently not prepared to confirm much of anything. Indeed, contra your assumption, the only record she apparently consulted the first time was a copy of her own “birth certificate” (Hollyfield’s term):

The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”

Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

Among the “numerous people” contacting HI, we have Israel Insider, on June 24th:

Israel Insider contacted Okubo several days. She could not refer to Obama’s specific case, she said, because no one but an authorized family member can do so. But she did confirm that a valid “certification of live birth” would need to have an embossed seal and signature and that it can only be printed and mailed. There is no such thing as an electronic only certification.

On June 26th, responding to Israel Insider’s piece above, Jim Geraghty reported:

I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama’s certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said “the form is exactly the same” and it has “all the components of a birth certificate” record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama’s web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.

Although you appear to be modifying your original claim in your response above, “all those who called the HI state office” clearly did not make the claim being challenged by Sue. Unless you can cite someone in actual support of your contention, it appears that no one asserted the HI Health Dept confirmed “that they did provide a new copy to Obama on the date noted on the back.” All we’ve really gotten from HI is that whatever they’ve been emailed looks like it could be an image of a legitimate certification. But then, that’s what it’s supposed to look like, isn’t it?