Comments on: How 9-11 Helped Cause The Obama Birth Certificate Silliness

By: LetsGetReal

LetsGetReal — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:44:22 +0000

After having read all these comments and seen several videos of images I must conclude that there is something missing here.
1. Our next president needs to be a “natural born citizen” as is so stated in Article II of our constitution.
2. The framers of the U.S. constitution included that verbage in the constitution in order to avoid divided loyalties.
3. When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdomâ€™s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.â€™s children.
4. Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.
You see, the problem is not his birth certificate or COLB, wether he was born in Hawaii or not. The problem is his status as either a U.S. Citizen or a “natural born citizen,” if Obama Sr. by virtue of his own Kenyan citizenship afforded Obama Jr. a “dual” citizenship, then IN FACT the latter would not be eligible to hold the office of POTUS.
We really need to think about that, is the constitution important enough to uphold or should we simply follow as blind sheep without truly investigating this matter thoroughly? I for one do not view this matter as “silly” and apparently neither does the Supreme Court, even know, as I write this, there are currently trhee cases up for review within the SC. Remember, “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States”.

By: The Strata-Sphere » Techdude Produces Another Dud For The Cult Of The COLB

The Strata-Sphere » Techdude Produces Another Dud For The Cult Of The COLB — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:14:44 +0000

[...] that the reason there were different backgrounds was Hawaii was upgrading the vital records systems in accordance to Real ID and 9-11. Techdud had not, up until I helped set him on the right path, ever considered this reality. But he [...]

By: polarik

polarik — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:24:06 +0000

AJ, you rerally need to see an optometrist ormaybe q

By: The Strata-Sphere » The End Of The COLB Cult - Myth Busted Again

The Strata-Sphere » The End Of The COLB Cult - Myth Busted Again — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:03:26 +0000

[...] a fake as more and more people compared the 2002 COLB to the newer 2007 COLB – all of which proved nothing more than we already knew, Hawaii was updating their vital records and COLBS in response to 9-11 and the Real ID Act of 2005, [...]

By: The Strata-Sphere » More Proof Obama Birth Certificate Is Not A Forgery

The Strata-Sphere » More Proof Obama Birth Certificate Is Not A Forgery — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:53:26 +0000

[...] of Health has been performing a lot of upgrades to their vital records systems, as I claimed a few posts back. Just check out the images of all these COLBS from [...]

By: The Strata-Sphere » Birth Certificate Madness

The Strata-Sphere » Birth Certificate Madness — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:45:46 +0000

[...] is the man is comparing to different version of Â COLB and claiming the differences in the formats (as I noted here were due to the Real ID Act). He is looking at a 2002 COLB from a Ms Decosta and the 2007 COLB from [...]

By: Dc

Dc — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:51:14 +0000

Sorry, didn’t see it before I posted it.

By: AJStrata

AJStrata — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:16:51 +0000

DC,

Dale acquiesced already!

By: Dc

Dc — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:58:46 +0000

Dale,
I included that in my prior post. It wasn’t Israeliinsider that said that this person had confirmed/admitted to forging the document (they were careful to NOT do that, despite making it seem as if they were). It was you in your post above that makes that claim, then insists that israelinsider said it. It doesn’t.

No one, I repeat, no one has ever admitted to them that they were the forger of Obama’s BC as you have previously claimed. You were never right on that. Just a few paragraphs after Israeli insider (part 4) says that their analysis, by default, proves that this particular person “defacto” forged the document and Kos tried to cover it…(you forgot to mention that part), they add this (also posted above in response to Sue, that you agreed was accurate)

Here’s the quote again direct from their website (end of Part 4)

[quote]â€œNone of this is not to imply that McKinnon himself forged the Obama document, with all the fields filled in with information about the presidential candidate but lacking the visible stamp and signature that alone would make it an authentic document. Nor is their proof positive about how the almost-blank â€œOahu 7:24pmâ€ document is related to the one endorsed by the Obama campaign that features those exact details. â€œ[/quote]

And if thatâ€™s not enoughâ€¦then lets add this on for good measure just to squash it in the ground completely.

[Quote]â€œIn the course of my subsequent email exchange with McKinnon â€” more on that in the next article â€” he at last agreed to release the following statement: â€œI believe there is overwhelming evidence that Senator Obama is a natural born US Citizen, and I have no evidence to contradict that belief.â€ He did not relate to the veracity of the Obama birth certificate images.â€[/Quote]

Here’s what you said (quoted from your post up in this thread)

[quote from Dale]….a) the one that supposedly belongs to Senator Obama, above, we have NO idea if that is his REAL one, or a Fake one, or a Forged one, or whatever, because it was relased on the Daily Kos Blog, by a guy who admitted he Forged it, and has said how he forged it.[/quote]

And here, later in the same post above:

…”d) We have not seen the real one (BC), as the Daily Kos one is a forgery”

Again, its not a known forgery and it never was. The arguments that it is a forgery are all based on speculation using attention grabbing for the uninitiated, but technically deficient none-the-less, techniques to make such conjecture. Then to pile on top of that, extrapolate some conspiracy forgery/coverup based on PURE conjecture based on yet “other” documents. Then on top of that, suggest that their own conjecture then proves (by defacto) that someone else admitted something they didn’t.

The methods and analysis used on israelinsider are no different than the troofers use.

By: DaleinAtlanta

DaleinAtlanta — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:22:52 +0000

Okay, I think that pretty much ends this discussion then.

By: AJStrata

AJStrata — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:30:16 +0000

Yes Dale, that is what I am saying. Thanks!

By: DaleinAtlanta

DaleinAtlanta — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:09:59 +0000

That was a quick reply AJ!

Okay, so what you are saying then, is that despite all the information in this exact article:

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12959.htm

Despite the interview with Jay McKinnon/opendna contained therein, that that is in fact, all a lie?

Okay then, if that’s what you are saying, and you KNOW that, then you know more than me, and the discussion is over; you win; I only know what I read in those articles.

Okay, end of story I guess…

By: DaleinAtlanta

DaleinAtlanta — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:07:02 +0000

DC: well, this article in the Israeli Insider says its fairly clear, that Jay McKinnon/opendna has all but admitted forging the original document posted on the Daily Kos; as I have stated many times, and yet been harrassed and insulted and told I didn’ t know what I was talking.

This is also the same individual, whom AJ said emailed him, and who purportedly told AJ he did NOT “forge” the document.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12959.htm

Read the article, and draw your own conclusions, but I’ve now proven that I indeed was correct in all my prior statements, EXCEPT when I mistakenly agreed with you earlier; because I was in a rush, and was tired, and was up late, and I just wanted to get the heck past it.

So, again, this is not “my” expertise, I leave that to others, my intent was only to relay what I had read in these articles, and they have done such a thorough job, butressed by the images and the exact quotes from the Daily Kos itself, as well as the interview with Jay McKinnon himself, that I find it hard to believe that they are making the whole thing up?

By: AJStrata

AJStrata — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:04:44 +0000

Dale,

The point is I debunked everything Isreali Insider claimed. And the person who you said admitted to making a forgery never did, that was a lie promulgated by Israeli Insider.

And while no one can prove from a scanned image it is authentic (you need a scan of the back) all evidence points to it being authentic.

So far no one has provided anything that could withstand a modicum of review there is any evidence of tampering. None!

BTW – no one ever claimed what was posted on Kos was his 1961 BC. All we have said is it looks to be a 2007 certificate issued by HI confirming his claim he was born in HI.

Sorry, your just barking up a dead tree here my friend.

By: DaleinAtlanta

DaleinAtlanta — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:59:08 +0000

DC:

The Daily Kos has never said that anyone forged Obamaâ€™s BC.

Actually, I don’t think I ever said the Daily Kos said that; the Israeli Insider, which took the lead on this, is the one that said they ferretted the comments out by the original forger, where he basically admitted prior to, and afterwards, that he was faking the BC. It wasn’t the Daily Kos itself, it was the person who supposedly did it.

The central thesis of my argument wasâ€¦that despite the claims otherwise, there is nothing to prove Obamaâ€™s BC was forgedâ€¦

Did you read all 4 parts of the Israeli Insider, who I think was the one that started all this?

After reading those articles, do you still think that is the case?

It was a direct rebuttal to claims made by others (ie..you).

Actually, I thought I was making clear, many times, they were not “my” claims.

I’m not a computer expert, I’m not a forensic expert, I’m not a document expert, I’m not a technical expert, I’m not an imagery expert, I’m not an expert in Photoshop or forged BC or anything type of documents; and I have never said that.

The only thing I ever claimed was that I was a trained “analyst”, which I am, but I didn’t specify in what.

My only point being, I was trying to state, clearly, that they were not “my” claims: the whole time, and in every post I made on this subject, I was trying to get across the point that the Israeli Insider spent considerable time on this, and it was THEIR research/claims that directly contravened AJ’s analysis, not mine.

And, my original point still stands; NO one can PROVE that what was posted on the Daily Kos, is in fact, Obama’s “original” realworld, live, BC.

It’s possible to prove it is a forgery, IF it is a forgery; but unless Senator Obama comes out and says, definitively; “Yes, that’s mine!”

No one can prove it IS his, for real.

The reverse is true, not the the former.

Anyway, let me check that Israeli Insider article, because what I read there, I thought, contravenes what you say…