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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5741/comment-page-1#comment-363086</link>
		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

You got an image of one of those 2007 Marriage Certs?

AJStrata</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>You got an image of one of those 2007 Marriage Certs?</p>
<p>AJStrata</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5741/comment-page-1#comment-363085</link>
		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breschau,

It is scary to watch this unfold - these people are crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breschau,</p>
<p>It is scary to watch this unfold &#8211; these people are crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Redteam</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5741/comment-page-1#comment-362555</link>
		<dc:creator>Redteam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care one way or the other about all this crap, but one thing is sure.  Ray(tard) is making a hell of  a lot of &#039;absolute&#039; statements, ie:
There wasnâ€™t any name change or any Indonesian citizenship.
and;
There was no Indonesian citizenship, so the can be no cover up.

that he has absolutely no way of knowing.  He is only stating his opinions (and hopes, I suspect).

We&#039;ve already had enough evidence that Ray is a total fraud in &#039;who&#039; he says he is to know that nothing he says is worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care one way or the other about all this crap, but one thing is sure.  Ray(tard) is making a hell of  a lot of &#8216;absolute&#8217; statements, ie:<br />
There wasnâ€™t any name change or any Indonesian citizenship.<br />
and;<br />
There was no Indonesian citizenship, so the can be no cover up.</p>
<p>that he has absolutely no way of knowing.  He is only stating his opinions (and hopes, I suspect).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve already had enough evidence that Ray is a total fraud in &#8216;who&#8217; he says he is to know that nothing he says is worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: ivehadit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivehadit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breschau, I&#039;m telling you obama is NOT your guy. He will turn on you in a New York minute. He&#039;s a radical socialist and I know you can see that.

And, I know, deep down, you like and respect McCain. Please, please, please consider voting for McCain. Our country needs you. 

Very best regards...
Ive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breschau, I&#8217;m telling you obama is NOT your guy. He will turn on you in a New York minute. He&#8217;s a radical socialist and I know you can see that.</p>
<p>And, I know, deep down, you like and respect McCain. Please, please, please consider voting for McCain. Our country needs you. </p>
<p>Very best regards&#8230;<br />
Ive</p>
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		<title>By: breschau</title>
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		<dc:creator>breschau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dave m:

Wow - is it really that difficult for you to comprehend someone holding the following two thoughts in their mind at the same time?

1. Barrack Obama is a US citizen, and is qualified to run for the Presidency.

2. I will be voting for John McCain.

I mean - really?  Everybody has to be in lock step with every single point? I don&#039;t want to Godwin here, but... wow.

(NOTE: number 2 above certainly does not apply to me, but does to Ray and others. And when both Obama and McCain supporters are calling you a crazy person - maybe you should stop thinking it&#039;s everybody else who is the problem.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dave m:</p>
<p>Wow &#8211; is it really that difficult for you to comprehend someone holding the following two thoughts in their mind at the same time?</p>
<p>1. Barrack Obama is a US citizen, and is qualified to run for the Presidency.</p>
<p>2. I will be voting for John McCain.</p>
<p>I mean &#8211; really?  Everybody has to be in lock step with every single point? I don&#8217;t want to Godwin here, but&#8230; wow.</p>
<p>(NOTE: number 2 above certainly does not apply to me, but does to Ray and others. And when both Obama and McCain supporters are calling you a crazy person &#8211; maybe you should stop thinking it&#8217;s everybody else who is the problem.)</p>
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		<title>By: dave m</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Ray,
Just don&#039;t believe ya.
One meets guys like you on lib sites,
always beating to death, or at least hoping you can,
any argument against your wonder-boy.

Who said this?
rayinaus 

Why?

It is not possible for you to understand why, because you are such a racist bigot that it is totally beyond your comprehension.

Ray
Was that you over on the Texas Darlin hate mail section? Better
not to throw that type of argument about. One rarely convinces others
on the net, the only possibility of that is by reasoned argument.

I think the balance of evidence is likely that Obama is a total fraud.
Muslim? Communist? Traitor? Manchurian Candidate? Closet dweller?
One could guess, all of the above.

for example: breaking news over at http://patdollard.com
Barack Obama directly intervened in last Decemberâ€™s presidential election in Kenya, supporting fellow Luo tribesman Raila Odingaâ€™s candidacy, despite an agreement Odinga signed to back radical Muslims, according to an explosive new book written by WND senior staff reporter Jerome R. Corsi. 

Defending the indefensible.

Whatever. I will be voting for McCain.
I guess you won&#039;t be voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Ray,<br />
Just don&#8217;t believe ya.<br />
One meets guys like you on lib sites,<br />
always beating to death, or at least hoping you can,<br />
any argument against your wonder-boy.</p>
<p>Who said this?<br />
rayinaus </p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>It is not possible for you to understand why, because you are such a racist bigot that it is totally beyond your comprehension.</p>
<p>Ray<br />
Was that you over on the Texas Darlin hate mail section? Better<br />
not to throw that type of argument about. One rarely convinces others<br />
on the net, the only possibility of that is by reasoned argument.</p>
<p>I think the balance of evidence is likely that Obama is a total fraud.<br />
Muslim? Communist? Traitor? Manchurian Candidate? Closet dweller?<br />
One could guess, all of the above.</p>
<p>for example: breaking news over at <a href="http://patdollard.com" rel="nofollow">http://patdollard.com</a><br />
Barack Obama directly intervened in last Decemberâ€™s presidential election in Kenya, supporting fellow Luo tribesman Raila Odingaâ€™s candidacy, despite an agreement Odinga signed to back radical Muslims, according to an explosive new book written by WND senior staff reporter Jerome R. Corsi. </p>
<p>Defending the indefensible.</p>
<p>Whatever. I will be voting for McCain.<br />
I guess you won&#8217;t be voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray_in_Aus</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5741/comment-page-1#comment-362362</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray_in_Aus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dave m wrote:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;The name change occurred when he took Indonesian citizenship. &lt;/b&gt;
.

There wasn&#039;t any name change or any Indonesian citizenship. 
.

&lt;b&gt;The cover-up is to bury the fact that he has Indonesian citizenship. &lt;/b&gt; 
.

There was no Indonesian citizenship, so the can be no cover up.
.

&lt;b&gt;The question of whether someone holding dual nationality can run for President would probably need to go to the Supreme Court for a decision. I suspect the current SC will say no.&lt;/b&gt;
.

No it doesn&#039;t need to go to court - nor could it. Natural born U.S. citizens can stand or President if they have fulfilled residency and other standard requirements. It may even be possible to be elected President from a jail cell.
.

&lt;b&gt;There may be no need if the cover-up gets enough coverage.&lt;/b&gt;
.

The only thing that could get some news coverage is the defamation perpetrated by, and idiocy of, bloggers.
.

&lt;b&gt;I notice that â€œTechdudeâ€ is saying today that he will release the original name on the COLB that he says was altered to make
the image that appeared on dkos. Says he will wait a few days
to allow the forgers to step forwards.&lt;/b&gt; 
.

And let me guess - you believe him?
.

&lt;b&gt;Who knows? Itâ€™s jolly interesting though.&lt;/b&gt;
.

It&#039;s not even good fiction writing because nearly all of it is unbelievable. It&#039;s all just a pathetic hoax.

Ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dave m wrote:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;The name change occurred when he took Indonesian citizenship. </b><br />
.</p>
<p>There wasn&#8217;t any name change or any Indonesian citizenship.<br />
.</p>
<p><b>The cover-up is to bury the fact that he has Indonesian citizenship. </b><br />
.</p>
<p>There was no Indonesian citizenship, so the can be no cover up.<br />
.</p>
<p><b>The question of whether someone holding dual nationality can run for President would probably need to go to the Supreme Court for a decision. I suspect the current SC will say no.</b><br />
.</p>
<p>No it doesn&#8217;t need to go to court &#8211; nor could it. Natural born U.S. citizens can stand or President if they have fulfilled residency and other standard requirements. It may even be possible to be elected President from a jail cell.<br />
.</p>
<p><b>There may be no need if the cover-up gets enough coverage.</b><br />
.</p>
<p>The only thing that could get some news coverage is the defamation perpetrated by, and idiocy of, bloggers.<br />
.</p>
<p><b>I notice that â€œTechdudeâ€ is saying today that he will release the original name on the COLB that he says was altered to make<br />
the image that appeared on dkos. Says he will wait a few days<br />
to allow the forgers to step forwards.</b><br />
.</p>
<p>And let me guess &#8211; you believe him?<br />
.</p>
<p><b>Who knows? Itâ€™s jolly interesting though.</b><br />
.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not even good fiction writing because nearly all of it is unbelievable. It&#8217;s all just a pathetic hoax.</p>
<p>Ray</p>
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		<title>By: dave m</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name change occurred when he took Indonesian citizenship.
The cover-up is to bury the fact that he has Indonesian citizenship.
The question of whether someone holding dual nationality can
run for President would probably need to go to the Supreme Court
for a decision. I suspect the current SC will say no.

There may be no need if the cover-up gets enough coverage.

I notice that &quot;Techdude&quot; is saying today that he will release the
original name on the COLB that he says was altered to make
the image that appeared on dkos. Says he will wait a few days
to allow the forgers to step forwards.

Who knows? It&#039;s jolly interesting though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name change occurred when he took Indonesian citizenship.<br />
The cover-up is to bury the fact that he has Indonesian citizenship.<br />
The question of whether someone holding dual nationality can<br />
run for President would probably need to go to the Supreme Court<br />
for a decision. I suspect the current SC will say no.</p>
<p>There may be no need if the cover-up gets enough coverage.</p>
<p>I notice that &#8220;Techdude&#8221; is saying today that he will release the<br />
original name on the COLB that he says was altered to make<br />
the image that appeared on dkos. Says he will wait a few days<br />
to allow the forgers to step forwards.</p>
<p>Who knows? It&#8217;s jolly interesting though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray_in_Aus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray_in_Aus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dave m wrote:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;So legally, Barack Hussein Obama is actually Barry Soetoro Ma, and if he asks the record office for documents, he will get them in that name.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;
.

No he wouldn&#039;t be &quot;actually&quot; anything (in the long term) because a person can quite legally change their name as often as they change their socks, as long as it is not done for an illegal purpose. Some people however find it more convenient or less problematic to register name changes.
.

Most government (and other) forms require people to state their *current* legal name rather than the name on their birth certificate.
.

In one or more places on the planet, people may not change their &quot;Christian&quot; name (first name) by deed poll because the state refuses to undo what a Christian church has done in Baptism or Chistening, but the person may quite legally change their Christian name themselves. I have no idea how non-Christians get along in that regard.
.

Obama could have had a dozen different names between birth and now, but none of the other names would be relevant unless an existing registered name was changed by deed poll.
.

So for example, if Obama had changed his name to &quot;Bazza Obama&quot; by deed poll in 1978 and then changed it WITHOUT deed poll to &quot;The Big O&quot; in 1990 then back to Barack Hussein Obama in 1992, he would (in order to become President) only need to prove who he was, and that the COLB he tendered was indeed his. Part of that process would include mentioning the deed poll change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dave m wrote:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;So legally, Barack Hussein Obama is actually Barry Soetoro Ma, and if he asks the record office for documents, he will get them in that name.&#8221;</b><br />
.</p>
<p>No he wouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;actually&#8221; anything (in the long term) because a person can quite legally change their name as often as they change their socks, as long as it is not done for an illegal purpose. Some people however find it more convenient or less problematic to register name changes.<br />
.</p>
<p>Most government (and other) forms require people to state their *current* legal name rather than the name on their birth certificate.<br />
.</p>
<p>In one or more places on the planet, people may not change their &#8220;Christian&#8221; name (first name) by deed poll because the state refuses to undo what a Christian church has done in Baptism or Chistening, but the person may quite legally change their Christian name themselves. I have no idea how non-Christians get along in that regard.<br />
.</p>
<p>Obama could have had a dozen different names between birth and now, but none of the other names would be relevant unless an existing registered name was changed by deed poll.<br />
.</p>
<p>So for example, if Obama had changed his name to &#8220;Bazza Obama&#8221; by deed poll in 1978 and then changed it WITHOUT deed poll to &#8220;The Big O&#8221; in 1990 then back to Barack Hussein Obama in 1992, he would (in order to become President) only need to prove who he was, and that the COLB he tendered was indeed his. Part of that process would include mentioning the deed poll change.</p>
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		<title>By: dave m</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to be misrepresenting Texasdarlin&#039;s argument.
She summarized that she has no opinion on whether or not BHO
once possessed a Hawaiian birth certificate, but that in any case it
was officially sealed and a new  one issued under the name
of Barry Soetoro Ma as a result of his adoption to an Indonesian.
At this point Barack/Barry became an Indonesian citizen and remains one.
Upon returning to Hawaii there would have been no legal procedure
short of another adoption to seal the second birth certificate and issue
a third. So legally, Barack Hussein Obama is actually Barry Soetoro Ma,
and if he asks the record office for documents, he will get them in that name.
Texasdarlin then has her adviser, Judah Benjamin, present an argument
as if it was going to the Supreme Court attempting to make the case that
the Constitution prohibits dual citizenship as much as it prohibits
single citizenship of a foreign country for those running for President.
That is the essence of her argument. Whatever the origin of the image
of the COLB that shows up on the net, it is not relevant as that image
no longer represents Barry Soetoro&#039;s new documentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to be misrepresenting Texasdarlin&#8217;s argument.<br />
She summarized that she has no opinion on whether or not BHO<br />
once possessed a Hawaiian birth certificate, but that in any case it<br />
was officially sealed and a new  one issued under the name<br />
of Barry Soetoro Ma as a result of his adoption to an Indonesian.<br />
At this point Barack/Barry became an Indonesian citizen and remains one.<br />
Upon returning to Hawaii there would have been no legal procedure<br />
short of another adoption to seal the second birth certificate and issue<br />
a third. So legally, Barack Hussein Obama is actually Barry Soetoro Ma,<br />
and if he asks the record office for documents, he will get them in that name.<br />
Texasdarlin then has her adviser, Judah Benjamin, present an argument<br />
as if it was going to the Supreme Court attempting to make the case that<br />
the Constitution prohibits dual citizenship as much as it prohibits<br />
single citizenship of a foreign country for those running for President.<br />
That is the essence of her argument. Whatever the origin of the image<br />
of the COLB that shows up on the net, it is not relevant as that image<br />
no longer represents Barry Soetoro&#8217;s new documentation.</p>
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		<title>By: Molon Labe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molon Labe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He says he can make out the name on the original COLB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He says he can make out the name on the original COLB.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray_in_Aus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray_in_Aus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TechDUD&#039;s final-final-exclusive report is out.

It seems he&#039;s concerned about ending up in a ditch if his wild imaginings are not appreciated.  Could someone tell him not to worry because he&#039;s already IN a ditch and has been for several weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TechDUD&#8217;s final-final-exclusive report is out.</p>
<p>It seems he&#8217;s concerned about ending up in a ditch if his wild imaginings are not appreciated.  Could someone tell him not to worry because he&#8217;s already IN a ditch and has been for several weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray_in_Aus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray_in_Aus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It goes to show how little interest there was in all this COLB fiasco. If it had been an issue of substance, someone would have sauntered down to their library in Hawaii or some other city to have a look, and others may have mentioned the Health Department&#039;s custom of publicizing all births in the early 60&#039;s.

The same thing goes for the border design that some people were panicking about. If anyone was really interested, they would have a look at the marriage certificates for 2007 which had the same border as the 2007 COLB&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes to show how little interest there was in all this COLB fiasco. If it had been an issue of substance, someone would have sauntered down to their library in Hawaii or some other city to have a look, and others may have mentioned the Health Department&#8217;s custom of publicizing all births in the early 60&#8242;s.</p>
<p>The same thing goes for the border design that some people were panicking about. If anyone was really interested, they would have a look at the marriage certificates for 2007 which had the same border as the 2007 COLB&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: WWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief, you would have thought the birth announcement found in the 1961 newspaper would have put this to rest once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief, you would have thought the birth announcement found in the 1961 newspaper would have put this to rest once and for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Redteam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redteam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since it has been discovered that He was actually born in Bethlehem, I guess there&#039;ll have to be a lot of revision.

(said only in jest, not for controversy)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since it has been discovered that He was actually born in Bethlehem, I guess there&#8217;ll have to be a lot of revision.</p>
<p>(said only in jest, not for controversy)</p>
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