Aug 08 2008
President Bush Pokes China In Its Oppressive Eye By Being At Olympics
President Bush, by personally being at the Olympics in China, is representing what the Chinese leaders fear most – Freedom. Â Freedom of speech, freedom to make personal choices, the neutering of government power compared to the independence of the individual. Â As leader of the Free West, Bush is doing the right thing by attending the Olympics so all of China can be reminded of the differences, and our greatness.
The Chinese leaders are reacting to each hint of a political jab by Bush, and it makes them look so small and cowardly in comparison. Â Bush represents the idea that government cannot fear expression, China represents how cowering leaders use government to stamp out free expression. Â What better foil to China’s cowardly oppression than to have the news following the leader of the free world, moving freely and expressing himself freely, in the capitol of China.
I salute Bush, who is not cowering back here in the states like so many others. He is up front and center representing America, cheering on our athletes, and poking the Chinese oppressor right in the eye. You can’t do that sitting here in America watching it all on TV.
He also took the former President Bush and Mrs. Bush, Kissenger and daughter Barbra.
You’re kidding right. Bush representing freedom? Have you tried to go through airport security lately?
…Have you tried to go through airport security…
Yes. A bit inconvenient but no Jail time….
Dorf77on 08 Aug 2008 at 9:26 am
…Have you tried to go through airport security…
Yes. A bit inconvenient but no Jail time….
AND (if jailed) you even get real a trial if you are an American citizen (with a non-forged COLB) – not one of them kangaroo court thingies that they have for foreign suspects they take down to Gitmo – trials that U.S. military lawyers and prosecutors and ALL of Australia’s Attorneys General say are a sham – a bit like the old Soviet and Chinese sham trials.
You better stay away then, Ray.
VinceP1974 wrote:
You better stay away then, Ray.
That’s a big part of the problem. Anyone on the planet who says anything that is misconstrued the wrong way can be arrested and ghost-flighted to Gitmo to face a kangaroo court. The U.S. will not however abduct Australian citizens on our soil. It will only be done outside this country if necessary.
It’s part of the reason that the U.S. reputation went down the drain last year.
Actually you’ll be lucky if you ever make it to the kangaroo court.. it could be decades before they get to your case.
I’m not particularly concerned about US’ reputation, the way I see it, we’ll be departing the world’s stage soon enough.. hanging up the policeman’s hat.
You ingrates should get your wish.
Russia seems to be invading Georgia.
Isn’t it fascinating to read the posts of those who truly hate America…which really means they are jealous as hell of what we have.
And that is freedom to succeed, to be all we can be. Optimism is one of our strong suits. For every nattering nabob of negativity there are MILLIONS of people in this country who are so grateful to be here.
When the nattering nabobs’ resume` equals ours, then maybe I’ll THINK about listening to them. Right now, they are just covert hostile noise.
And Mr. Howard of Australia, we salute you for your steadfast loyalty to us. For all the others who oppose you, here’s this:
“Here’s to those who wish us well.
Those who don’t can go to hell.”
Ray…..what is the name of that island where Australia holds illegal immigrants? How long does Australia hold those illegal immigrants, and do they get a hearing? These people are only trying to get to find a safe place. They were not trying to kill Australians. Your reputation as a freedom loving country has gone down the drain. The world is watching you and your unfairness. Shame, shame, tut, tut.
vehadit wrote:
Isn’t it fascinating to read the posts of those who truly hate America…which really means they are jealous as hell of what we have.
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We won’t get very far if you keep making up stuff like that. It is not “hating America” to expose fraud and corruption and war crimes etc, nor is it “hating Australia” to say we did the same thing – in fact we made our own ‘Gitmo’ and abolished habeas corpus for foreigners before you did.
Some of us refuse to but anything Chinese or American if we can. There’s no “hate”.
kathie wrote:
Ray…..what is the name of that island where Australia holds illegal immigrants? How long does Australia hold those illegal immigrants, and do they get a hearing? These people are only trying to get to find a safe place. They were not trying to kill Australians. Your reputation as a freedom loving country has gone down the drain. The world is watching you and your unfairness. Shame, shame, tut, tut.
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I forget the name of the island, but it’s all been closed down and each person (except for a handful) has been given a bundle of money and every assistance from various agencies to set up normal lives.
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Yes, our reputation went down the drain too, but we finally ejected the freaks who arranged it. Even the Prime Minister lost his own seat in his electorate.
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Obviously something had to be done with the illegal immigrants, but they were treated like dirt by the previous government – which is why they were so quiet about Gitmo and habeas corpus and a lot of other crooked stuff.
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Anyway they’re all gone now and things are very good again 🙂
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In some ways our previous Prime Minister was extremely capable, but he just didn’t like brown or black people or muslims. He even acknowledged at the end that he was a product of his upbringing.
It’s just a pity it wasn’t all done for a good cause.
Ray the point is you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do in this world. Most Americans don’t give a tinkers damn what the rest of the world thinks. Why, because as the world sits on their silky cushions, thinking about what feels good, America and Americans are doing the work that keeps them safe and able to sit on those silky cushions to pontificate, and prattle about what they should do, would do, could do, if they ever did anything.
AJ, what is going on in Georgia?
And as to the those who want to assign negative intentions to the US, see above.
kathie wrote:
Ray the point is you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do in this world. Most Americans don’t give a tinkers damn what the rest of the world thinks. Why, because as the world sits on their silky cushions, thinking about what feels good, America and Americans are doing the work that keeps them safe and able to sit on those silky cushions to pontificate, and prattle about what they should do, would do, could do, if they ever did anything.
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You’re in the arms racket. That’s all it is.
This is also why Obama will not be popular with the real power brokers and the war hawks. He will be bad for business.
So, it’s “my country, right or wrong”? To hell with the rest of the world? America can do no wrong, in your eyes?
Is there any way to point out the wrongfulness of that attitude without a Nazi reference?
And that’s not patriotism, folks – that’s nationalism. They really aren’t the same.
I think America is, by far, the greatest country in the world. But I think the Bush Administration is an absolute disgrace, and a stain on this country which will take a long time to wash out.
Holding up Bush as a symbol for “freedom”, or even thinking about lecturing other countries about their human rights violations while we torture people in Gitmo is a freaking joke.
One problem with your argument, Bresch: we are not Nazi Germany. Someone has been filling your head with intellectual dishonesty, if not downright lies about America.
And I will venture to say that you do not know George W. Bush personally.
My country right or wrong?
That old canard again?
I don’t say my country right or wrong, but fortunately that isn’t a problem.
I don’t think we have done anything wrong, at least not during my lifetime.
I was born a bit after WWII, but I don’t think we did anything wrong then either.
I suppose we could have been a bit nicer to the Indians, but they weren’t
very nice to us. If we hadn’t persevered and won the West, most of Europe
would now be speaking German.
Gitmo? When we get hold of Abu Qatada he’ll stay in there, not roam
free in London on state welfare with all his wives and children because
a bunch of leftys are worried about his “human rights”.
Now the big one:
George Bush? I’m proud of his record. If anything, he should have
fought the battles harder and gone into Iran and Syria back in about 2005.
No way can Iran and Syria have nukes, just no way at all.
I’m proud of my country, I’m free, and I’m an American.
Don’t yas just hate that?
breschau wrote:
So, it’s “my country, right or wrong� To hell with the rest of the world? America can do no wrong, in your eyes?
Is there any way to point out the wrongfulness of that attitude without a Nazi reference?
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There are things that are patently wrong with (probably) all countries, but the well known arrogant loud mouthed attitude is certainly one of America’s. It’s not a “can do” attitude or a positive attitude, which is also present and very well known, but an objectionable attitude to most people on the planet. Obama also wants to fix that and make the U.S. a good neighbour.
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Australians (generally) tolerate it pretty well because of our slack/casual/apathetic attitude towards just about everything, but people in some other countries cringe.
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And that’s not patriotism, folks – that’s nationalism. They really aren’t the same.
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It was that war criminal Eichmann who said prior to his execution that nationalism can be a pretty dangerous thing if it’s carried too far. He ought to have known.
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I think America is, by far, the greatest country in the world. But I think the Bush Administration is an absolute disgrace, and a stain on this country which will take a long time to wash out.
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The big problem is (if you can believe the historians) that “no country goes to war for the reason stated”. It could have been an entirely different matter if the U.S. had FORCED the U.N. to abide by it’s rules and make Iraq comply with the contract they signed at the end of the Gulf War.
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Perhaps the U.S. could have done it the honest way if France hadn’t stood in the way just to show it was a world power with a vote. They made American ships bob up and down in the seas for week after week, after week, after week and letting America bleed financially.
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So what happened – they turned a potentially LEGAL invasion into an illegal war, based on lies about imaginary terrorists in Iraq and WMD’s that they knew Saddam had already used on his own Kurdish people years earlier. The West knew that Saddam originally had them because they sold them to him – France, Germany, The UK and The U.S. and others.
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I’m not opposed to illegal wars because in reality all invasions are illegal in the invaded country unless there is a legal contract to invade if certain conditions are not met — but if you’re going to invade – don’t be fraudulent about it as well and don’t lie to your own people.
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There would have been thousands of U.S. fighting men and women who would have put their bodies on the line to save Iraqi citizens from being placed in Saddams tree-munching machines and worse – and they would be the greatest hero’s for doing it – but where are they instead? Stuck in a foreign country as sitting ducks dodging snipers who want to have a shot at America for messing around with their country, race or religion or their “brother’s” country, race or religion.
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Holding up Bush as a symbol for “freedomâ€, or even thinking about lecturing other countries about their human rights violations while we torture people in Gitmo is a freaking joke.
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I think he’d be a darned good gunslinger in a legal war, but he should do what our Prime Minister did and stop preaching when he was also breaking civil rights law or the law of war.
Ray
dave m wrote:
My country right or wrong?
That old canard again?
I don’t say my country right or wrong, but fortunately that isn’t a problem.
I don’t think we have done anything wrong, at least not during my lifetime.
I was born a bit after WWII, but I don’t think we did anything wrong then either.
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Well you err in good company. Even Oprah with all her money and information was totally clueless about America’s unpopularity amongst many many countries. We had all assumed that she would have seen the same TV and film footage that the rest of the world has been watching since the 1950’s
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Oprah: “What are they shooting at US for?” or “What did WE ever do?” [or similar]
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Once again I’m reminded of my friend in the former Soviet Union saying “At least WE KNEW we were being fed propaganda!”
Ray