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	<title>Comments on: Russia&#8217;s Criminal Invasion Of Georgia And Obama Blows The &#8220;3 AM Call&#8221; Test</title>
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		<title>By: dan020</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5760/comment-page-2#comment-417633</link>
		<dc:creator>dan020</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s my question......
is there anything more to this story than american bravado and cold-war mentality?
seriously, ive researched this, georgia was the aggressor, they bombarded the ossetian capital tskhinvali, (confirmed by independant observers!) then russia stepped in and DEFENDED the ossetian people.
it&#039;s funny how america has the right to step into whichever country they like to &quot;defend the people and fight for good&quot; but when another large country stands up for the little guy its &quot;criminal&quot;?
seriously, just because russia also has nukes doesnt mean that they are the evil in the world.
this is kind of like vietnam, a large country stepping in to defend a small, except russia won its war, america lost.

my message is GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT FIRST!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s my question&#8230;&#8230;<br />
is there anything more to this story than american bravado and cold-war mentality?<br />
seriously, ive researched this, georgia was the aggressor, they bombarded the ossetian capital tskhinvali, (confirmed by independant observers!) then russia stepped in and DEFENDED the ossetian people.<br />
it&#8217;s funny how america has the right to step into whichever country they like to &#8220;defend the people and fight for good&#8221; but when another large country stands up for the little guy its &#8220;criminal&#8221;?<br />
seriously, just because russia also has nukes doesnt mean that they are the evil in the world.<br />
this is kind of like vietnam, a large country stepping in to defend a small, except russia won its war, america lost.</p>
<p>my message is GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT FIRST!!</p>
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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#187; McCain Commands As Commander-in-Chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#187; McCain Commands As Commander-in-Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a two to one spread. Â I noted in two previous posts (here and here) how McCain had taken the Russia invasion of Georgia and had demonstrated the kind of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#187; Obama Fails Test On Georgia - And His Media Groupies Know It</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5760/comment-page-2#comment-367885</link>
		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#187; Obama Fails Test On Georgia - And His Media Groupies Know It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and vagueness from the EU and NATO that gave the green light to Russia in the first place (as I noted in my first post on the issue). And you can tell by reading the stories, and how the media is trying to protect Obama by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and vagueness from the EU and NATO that gave the green light to Russia in the first place (as I noted in my first post on the issue). And you can tell by reading the stories, and how the media is trying to protect Obama by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ivehadit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivehadit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I have had the same thoughts about Russia. I have wondered why now, why Georgia, who&#039;s doing what to whom...and I can&#039;t help but think that this is strategically planned...

The dark is bubbling to the top. All is being seen. Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela...This is a treacherous world and we are under attack from multiple quarters...within and without.

If the old line democrats had any moral fortitude, they will make sure the o is NOT elected. We cannot afford the inexperienced socialist in our House. We cannot afford to be seen as weak...something the socialists will NEVER understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I have had the same thoughts about Russia. I have wondered why now, why Georgia, who&#8217;s doing what to whom&#8230;and I can&#8217;t help but think that this is strategically planned&#8230;</p>
<p>The dark is bubbling to the top. All is being seen. Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela&#8230;This is a treacherous world and we are under attack from multiple quarters&#8230;within and without.</p>
<p>If the old line democrats had any moral fortitude, they will make sure the o is NOT elected. We cannot afford the inexperienced socialist in our House. We cannot afford to be seen as weak&#8230;something the socialists will NEVER understand.</p>
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		<title>By: dave m</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion:
Russia and China both support Iran in getting AND using the atomic
bomb against the USA. Both countries are helping to the maximum
extent that they can.

Why?

Iran can&#039;t hope to explode more than a few bombs on American soil
before they cease to exist, but even a few nukes, located in
maybe NYC, DC, and Chicago (for example, sea borne by small sailboats),
will seriously setback the USA. The West&#039;s banking system may collapse.
It will give Russia and China two decades head start to achieve top
dog status.

Sure, Iran will be wiped off the map, but Russia won&#039;t mind that either.
A messianic islamic country would have eventually turned it&#039;s attentions
to infidel Russia too. Better to convince them to be &quot;useful idiots&quot;,
fulfill the mission, and die.

Debka reports that a large naval buildup is occurring in the Persian Gulf
right now. Everybody thinks something is going to happen pretty soon.
John Bolton predicted Nov 5 th. 

I advance the highly speculative guess that Russia wants to save Iran
but cannot be seen as outright defending them. They need plausible
deniability. What to do? Why not engineer a crisis on NATO&#039;s
doorstep and with an American ally. Invade Georgia. With luck,
it might be enough to scare off Bush. The price of timidity. 

By the way:

Breaking news on Texasdarlin:

Two sources, including Larry Johnson of No Quarter (whoâ€™s been in Hawaii on business), have independently told me that Republicans have in their possession Barack Obamaâ€™s Hawaiian Birth Certificate.

The sources confirm that the theory first presented here â€” see Obama Hides Indonesian Identity, Fake Birth Certificate Explained â€” nearly 2 weeks ago, IS TRUE:

The name on the Birth Certificate is Barry Soetoro.

Larry Johnson reports:

    Did I also mention how small Hawaii is? Republican operatives, with help from their own island backers, have unearthed critical information on Obama and are just biding their time until after the convention to drop it on him. Such as? Having a birth certificate that lists you as Barry Soetoro.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion:<br />
Russia and China both support Iran in getting AND using the atomic<br />
bomb against the USA. Both countries are helping to the maximum<br />
extent that they can.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Iran can&#8217;t hope to explode more than a few bombs on American soil<br />
before they cease to exist, but even a few nukes, located in<br />
maybe NYC, DC, and Chicago (for example, sea borne by small sailboats),<br />
will seriously setback the USA. The West&#8217;s banking system may collapse.<br />
It will give Russia and China two decades head start to achieve top<br />
dog status.</p>
<p>Sure, Iran will be wiped off the map, but Russia won&#8217;t mind that either.<br />
A messianic islamic country would have eventually turned it&#8217;s attentions<br />
to infidel Russia too. Better to convince them to be &#8220;useful idiots&#8221;,<br />
fulfill the mission, and die.</p>
<p>Debka reports that a large naval buildup is occurring in the Persian Gulf<br />
right now. Everybody thinks something is going to happen pretty soon.<br />
John Bolton predicted Nov 5 th. </p>
<p>I advance the highly speculative guess that Russia wants to save Iran<br />
but cannot be seen as outright defending them. They need plausible<br />
deniability. What to do? Why not engineer a crisis on NATO&#8217;s<br />
doorstep and with an American ally. Invade Georgia. With luck,<br />
it might be enough to scare off Bush. The price of timidity. </p>
<p>By the way:</p>
<p>Breaking news on Texasdarlin:</p>
<p>Two sources, including Larry Johnson of No Quarter (whoâ€™s been in Hawaii on business), have independently told me that Republicans have in their possession Barack Obamaâ€™s Hawaiian Birth Certificate.</p>
<p>The sources confirm that the theory first presented here â€” see Obama Hides Indonesian Identity, Fake Birth Certificate Explained â€” nearly 2 weeks ago, IS TRUE:</p>
<p>The name on the Birth Certificate is Barry Soetoro.</p>
<p>Larry Johnson reports:</p>
<p>    Did I also mention how small Hawaii is? Republican operatives, with help from their own island backers, have unearthed critical information on Obama and are just biding their time until after the convention to drop it on him. Such as? Having a birth certificate that lists you as Barry Soetoro.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jules:

This has nothing to do with Litvinenko&#039;s death. I think Putin might very well have had something to do with that.

Finland, Lithuania, and other countries of the region have been anything but supportive of Russia&#039;s move. Ukraine has threatened to deny them port privileges.

Now, if you want to believe that the big bear is the victim, go ahead..but I am not that stupid and considering the fact that even Obama is starting to jump on the Russians...I would say it is pretty clear to most rational observers who the aggressor is, and it ain&#039;t Georgia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules:</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with Litvinenko&#8217;s death. I think Putin might very well have had something to do with that.</p>
<p>Finland, Lithuania, and other countries of the region have been anything but supportive of Russia&#8217;s move. Ukraine has threatened to deny them port privileges.</p>
<p>Now, if you want to believe that the big bear is the victim, go ahead..but I am not that stupid and considering the fact that even Obama is starting to jump on the Russians&#8230;I would say it is pretty clear to most rational observers who the aggressor is, and it ain&#8217;t Georgia.</p>
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		<title>By: ivehadit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivehadit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is some excellent commentary on this over at powerlineblog.com.
Putin is making his move, imho. 

We must hit now, and hit hard. He is acting like the terrorists and we must act accordingly, imho. Calling Condi: Stick it to &#039;em Condi. No mambi pambi state dept. talk, ya hear?

It&#039;s a sad day for Russia. They have so much potential but their leadership has consistently made the wrong choices on so many important issues. They continue to embrace the darkness. What a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some excellent commentary on this over at powerlineblog.com.<br />
Putin is making his move, imho. </p>
<p>We must hit now, and hit hard. He is acting like the terrorists and we must act accordingly, imho. Calling Condi: Stick it to &#8216;em Condi. No mambi pambi state dept. talk, ya hear?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sad day for Russia. They have so much potential but their leadership has consistently made the wrong choices on so many important issues. They continue to embrace the darkness. What a waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJStrata doesn&#039;t believe that Putin was responsible for the murder of Alexander Litvinenko. He better be careful or the full blown Americanists here will accuse him of parroting Pravda&#039;s line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJStrata doesn&#8217;t believe that Putin was responsible for the murder of Alexander Litvinenko. He better be careful or the full blown Americanists here will accuse him of parroting Pravda&#8217;s line.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye - &lt;i&gt;Jules is repeating Pravdaâ€™s propaganda. Just like the good old days. Lefties parrot Moscow line. 

&lt;/i&gt;

I was anti-Soviet for the same reasons that I&#039;m anti-US government today. Once upon a time the USSR acted like the USA. They called anyone who disagreed with them &quot;fascists&quot; or &quot;imperialists&quot; or &quot;enemies of the people&quot;. Ideology trumped truth, human nature, and reality on the ground. Today partisans of the American empire are virtually identical. They claim their ideology - let&#039;s call it Americanism - is universally applicable. Anyone who disagrees is said to be &quot;an enemy of democracy&quot; or &quot;against freedom&quot;.  No need to examine the particulars of each conflict just apply a one size fits all explanation: Those opposed to US government goals are evil while those who favour US goals are friends of democracy. 

American conservatives are particularly annoying. They are suspicious of government and the media when it comes to domesticate matters. Yet when it comes to foreign policy they believe everything their government and media tell them. Their Pavlovian response to Russian action is idiotic.
But ultimately American bullying is bipartisan. 

Madeleine Albright - &lt;i&gt;If we have to use force, it is because we are  America!  We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall, and we see further into the future&lt;/i&gt;

Hubris doesn&#039;t even begin to describe the Americanists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye &#8211; <i>Jules is repeating Pravdaâ€™s propaganda. Just like the good old days. Lefties parrot Moscow line. </p>
<p></i></p>
<p>I was anti-Soviet for the same reasons that I&#8217;m anti-US government today. Once upon a time the USSR acted like the USA. They called anyone who disagreed with them &#8220;fascists&#8221; or &#8220;imperialists&#8221; or &#8220;enemies of the people&#8221;. Ideology trumped truth, human nature, and reality on the ground. Today partisans of the American empire are virtually identical. They claim their ideology &#8211; let&#8217;s call it Americanism &#8211; is universally applicable. Anyone who disagrees is said to be &#8220;an enemy of democracy&#8221; or &#8220;against freedom&#8221;.  No need to examine the particulars of each conflict just apply a one size fits all explanation: Those opposed to US government goals are evil while those who favour US goals are friends of democracy. </p>
<p>American conservatives are particularly annoying. They are suspicious of government and the media when it comes to domesticate matters. Yet when it comes to foreign policy they believe everything their government and media tell them. Their Pavlovian response to Russian action is idiotic.<br />
But ultimately American bullying is bipartisan. </p>
<p>Madeleine Albright &#8211; <i>If we have to use force, it is because we are  America!  We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall, and we see further into the future</i></p>
<p>Hubris doesn&#8217;t even begin to describe the Americanists.</p>
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		<title>By: hsabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># Jules Royon 09 Aug 2008 at 7:09 pm 
Thanks to American military aid, Georgiaâ€™s 18,000-strong armed forces are the best-trained and equipped fighting force in the Caucasus

That no doubt explains their success slaughtering hundreds of civilians this past two days. Nothing like American know how.  (American know how didn&#039;t do the slaughter Jules -the Georgians did.  ANd who would supply them with arms to defend against Russia?  Europeans?  HAH!!) 

The Americans have a military presence on the ground in Georgia. I find it hard to believe the Americans were unaware of Georgiaâ€™s attack in advance. (Who cares what you believe - its only what you can prove!) 

We need reporters to ask hard questions about what the Americans knew. Itâ€™s likely they endorsed the slaughter.  (Reporters?  the ones who won&#039;t mention bad things about Obama or ask questions of him other than what ice cream he ate? Hah! Get Real buddy!)

But the Georgian bandits have messed up. Their atrocities may ensure civilized Europe never accepts them into the EU and NATO. So some good will come of it.  (Civilized Europe?  THe same civilized Europe who lets Darfur and the genocide go on there?  The same Eruope who wouldn&#039;t even exist unless the good old USA saved their sorry butts from &#039;Germany in WWII?  That same civilized Europe who cusses the Easterners in Germany?  Balmes their problems on them?  Civilized is not the word I would use, COWARDLY is more like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># Jules Royon 09 Aug 2008 at 7:09 pm<br />
Thanks to American military aid, Georgiaâ€™s 18,000-strong armed forces are the best-trained and equipped fighting force in the Caucasus</p>
<p>That no doubt explains their success slaughtering hundreds of civilians this past two days. Nothing like American know how.  (American know how didn&#8217;t do the slaughter Jules -the Georgians did.  ANd who would supply them with arms to defend against Russia?  Europeans?  HAH!!) </p>
<p>The Americans have a military presence on the ground in Georgia. I find it hard to believe the Americans were unaware of Georgiaâ€™s attack in advance. (Who cares what you believe &#8211; its only what you can prove!) </p>
<p>We need reporters to ask hard questions about what the Americans knew. Itâ€™s likely they endorsed the slaughter.  (Reporters?  the ones who won&#8217;t mention bad things about Obama or ask questions of him other than what ice cream he ate? Hah! Get Real buddy!)</p>
<p>But the Georgian bandits have messed up. Their atrocities may ensure civilized Europe never accepts them into the EU and NATO. So some good will come of it.  (Civilized Europe?  THe same civilized Europe who lets Darfur and the genocide go on there?  The same Eruope who wouldn&#8217;t even exist unless the good old USA saved their sorry butts from &#8216;Germany in WWII?  That same civilized Europe who cusses the Easterners in Germany?  Balmes their problems on them?  Civilized is not the word I would use, COWARDLY is more like it.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker9876</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker9876</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye, Townhall magazine has an interesting article about the 1992 - ... war in the Balkans.

Wish townhall would make it available for online perusal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye, Townhall magazine has an interesting article about the 1992 &#8211; &#8230; war in the Balkans.</p>
<p>Wish townhall would make it available for online perusal.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ:

How do we reach you? I hope you see this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ:</p>
<p>How do we reach you? I hope you see this.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kathie:

There are people who so far gone that they believe that anytime anything bad happens anywhere in the world, it is because the US made it happen or let it happen. It is a sort of mental illness really. Paranoia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kathie:</p>
<p>There are people who so far gone that they believe that anytime anything bad happens anywhere in the world, it is because the US made it happen or let it happen. It is a sort of mental illness really. Paranoia.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray_in_Aus</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kathie wrote:

&lt;b&gt;Not to worry American Jews are in control of our media. Yep, our military is training in Georgia AND so are some Israelis. Iâ€™m sure our military is committing war crimes. Donâ€™t they always? &lt;/b&gt;
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The war crimes bit is not accurate. If indeed the U.S. was assembling on Russia&#039;s border in significant numbers (which I don&#039;t believe)  it is certainly not a war crime even if it &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; true.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kathie wrote:</p>
<p><b>Not to worry American Jews are in control of our media. Yep, our military is training in Georgia AND so are some Israelis. Iâ€™m sure our military is committing war crimes. Donâ€™t they always? </b><br />
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<p>The war crimes bit is not accurate. If indeed the U.S. was assembling on Russia&#8217;s border in significant numbers (which I don&#8217;t believe)  it is certainly not a war crime even if it <b>was</b> true.</p>
<p>Ray</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to worry American Jews are in control of our media. Yep, our military is training in Georgia AND so are some Israelis. I&#039;m sure our military is committing war crimes. Don&#039;t they always? We probably told the Georgians with their 18,000 soldiers, yep, go strike the Russians, you can do it. Are you guys daft?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to worry American Jews are in control of our media. Yep, our military is training in Georgia AND so are some Israelis. I&#8217;m sure our military is committing war crimes. Don&#8217;t they always? We probably told the Georgians with their 18,000 soldiers, yep, go strike the Russians, you can do it. Are you guys daft?</p>
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