But trust them you will.

See http://obamacrimes.com/ for details.

There are enough legitimate and valid questions/points raised by this lawsuit, that I now want independent definitive answers to them. The fact that both the Daily Kos and Obama’s own website posted a blatant “forgery” of his COLB on his website, raises questions. Now factcheck.org, a democratic mouthpiece, has posted the “supposed” real certified COLB on their website quite conveniently after Obama made his little trip to Hawaii. It still states that the father’s race is “African”. That cannot be right. Africa is a continent, not a race, as there are Caucasian Africans also. Not good enough for me now. To little, to late.

I no longer will accept a COLB that has come from inside the Obama campaign and posted on some Obama supporting website. The issue of forgery looms large as a specter here. I need to see an outside independently certified verification of his original vault certificate by a legal entity, under penalty of perjury. I also need certified answers to the other issues raised. This is a grave matter of Constitutional law that affects the very core of who we are as a people and what we represent. He needs to answer the American people. We need to protect and preserve the future integrity of the Democratic party. I may be independent, but I still want/need to have choices when I vote. That is why I am Independent.

Mr. Berg has been painted out to be some kind of a kook due to other causes he has chosen to espouse. Be that as it may, I do know that you do not get to be Pennsylvania’s former deputy attorney general by being a crackpot or a kook. I would imagine that you would have to know your stuff! He sounds pretty logical and coherent to me. Enough so, that I want answers now and not later.

http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/q-with-phillip-berg.html.

This lawsuit has not gone away, contrary to the belief of some. Confirmation was received from Mr. Berg’s Process Service Company that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Senator Barack Obama were served today, September 4, 2008, with the legal documents pertaining to Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083. The DNC was served at 12:00 p.m. and Senator Obama was served at 1:00 p.m. The U.S. Attorney’s Office accepted service on behalf of the Federal Elections Committee (FEC) on or about August 22, 2008.

Now it would be very simple for Obama and the DNC to make this all go away. Just authorize the production of the proper documentation by a third unbiased party. Why won’t/can’t they just do this? How hard can it be. Their stalling and hesitation alarms me. Why don’t they just sue the pants off of Berg if there is no veracity to this suit? There is still time (not much) for Obama to step aside and allow the Democratic party to have a legitimate candidate with time left to campaign. This lawsuit really needs to be fast tracked now.

I can picture this scenario………………..Obama is elected. After election it is determined that he is not eligible, Then (the two time Pres. candidate loser, a long time Washington insider), Biden, steps into the Presidency. Biden has had to date, two brain aneurysms and a heart attack and he, like McCain, is also old. Now let us postulate that he expires due to health issues while in office. That would mean that Pelosi would then, by law, step into the Presidency. This scenario gives me a straight up heart attack and the willies to boot! Who here thinks that she is qualified to be President? It does not seem to me that any of these democrats are qualified. This is why it is so important that Obama prove himself eligible to ALL Americans before one should vote for him. I cannot just “accept” his word for it now. Until that happens, I find that I have no option other than to vote for McCain.

Phillip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, “apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.” As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a “natural born” citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed “natural born,” that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen.

Berg possesses copies of Sen. Obama’s registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name “Barry Soetoro” and his citizenship listed as Indonesian and his religion “Islam”.

As far as the 1967 Supreme Court decision, these events occurred before 1967 and if was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya it would not be an issue.

SBD

I am not saying anything at all about BO’s birth cert. I’m just saying that just because they have one, doesn’t prove a thing.

Holy shit – that’s freakin’ insane. I really am sorry for what you had to go through.

Did you ever track down how they got a notarized letter stating he was your brother? My wife is a notary, and she takes it VERY seriously. I get incensed when I hear about people that don’t think beyond their damn stamp.

Concerned Citizen    Legally, this puts the entire COLB issue to rest – Senator Obama WAS born in the U.S. and this state-issued document is all that’s required in any court of law or government office.

I hate that I’m even commenting on your statement because as I’ve said, I don’t care one bit about this issue except that it surprises me how naive some people are.

First you can be born (actually or Not born) anywhere in the world and still have a birth certificate issued to you (from anywhere) which can then be used to obtain a passport.

let me tell you a true story,  I had a younger brother born in Georgia (usa) and he was killed when he was 13.  A birth certificate was issued to him when he turned 18, which was used to obtain a social security number, a US passport and official US diplomatic corp identification.  He even had a letter written by me and notarized that he was, in fact, my brother.  He was also an undercover federal agent that was also a double agent.   He had all of that identification in spite of the fact that my real brother was really dead and he was legally born as someone else.  I know all this because I testified by deposition in a federal court that he was not my brother but an imposter and that my brother had in fact been dead since he was 13.  So these birth certificates are a piece of cake to forge or get true false ones. his was a real birth certificate issued by the state of georgia and he wasn’t even running for president. So for a prize like that, what lengths would someone or some thing go to?

HOWEVER, if you visit this page on the factcheck.org site:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

You will see a number of close ups of seal marks, official stamps, etc.

One thing that struck me was how new the document looked. In fact, the date this COLB was issued was June 6, 2007, which means this is not the ORIGINAL COLB, but a recent, “official” re-issue.

He either lost the original, or had a replacement issued because he didn’t want to show some of the information that appears on the original (e.g. birth weight and other information).

A. No. It cobbles together misleading statements to give the impression that illegal immigrants are receiving perks from taxpayers, when, in fact, they are not.

my opinion, maybe they were answering about that ‘particular’ teacher, but do illegal immigrants get grants? you bet.

Q. Did Clinton win the popular vote?
June 5, 2008
A. Obama won more votes unless you count Michigan, where he wasn’t on the ballot.

the fact. Yes. Clinton got the most popular votes if all votes are counted.

Dave: Do ya mean this Factcheck? Factcheck.org has a conflict of interest in covering Barack Obama because they are owned by The Annenberg Foundation.

Dave, seems as if everyone missed that little part of your comment.   I won’t say anything about the COLB thing because I couldn’t care less, but I do care about people buying into factcheck.org hook line and sinker.

people seem to use it as a known, proven independent verifier of fact.  They bare little resemblance to that.  I personally know of things I have looked up on it that they were wrong on.  Just like posts on blogs, they are usually just opinions and on political things, they definitely have a leftward tilt.. 

WWS,  I think in most cases, people are given the opportunity to show that they have standing.  I’d be surprised if an honest judge dismissed cases out of hand because they don’t ‘think’ they have standing.   I don’t personally know if Berg has standing or not, but let me ask.   If he doesn’t, who does?  Who would be more harmed by an unqualified person becoming President of the US than a US citizen?

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When a lawyer puts howlers like this into his lawsuit, it’s a sign that both he and everyone else involved know this case is a huge joke
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I couldn’t agree more. What an idiot lawyer he is. It looks like he’s lost the plot.

Ray

The fact that his case is a farce is shown by some lines that would cause a first year law student to flunk out, for example:
“Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia.”

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement with no basis in law. Any law. As I posted once before, most laws restricting dual citizenship were declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 1967. I don’t know whether or not Obama was adopted in Indonesia, but it doesn’t matter. Such an adoption would have no effect on a minor’s US citizenship.

When a lawyer puts howlers like this into his lawsuit, it’s a sign that both he and everyone else involved know this case is a huge joke. However, it is a nice way to get some press and people talking about anti-Obama themes, which I imagine is his real intent. Nasty, underhanded way of going about it, though.

http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html