Aug 22 2008
The Biden Disaster
Update: And in case anyone missed it Biden voted for the Iraq war and supported funding the troops while Obama supported retreat at any cost:
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Tuesday accused his rivals for the 2008 nomination who are fellow U.S. senators of voting against the safety of troops deployed in Iraq.“As long as there are troops who are in a position where, if we don’t fund them they are going to be hurt, I’m not going to cut off funding,” Biden said during a meeting with Des Moines Register editors and reporters “That’s what the other candidates said too, but they changed their mind.”
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“I find it absolutely unconscionable that I would delay, to make a point, a week to two to a month, the construction of these vehicles,” Biden added.
Obama said supporting the bill would have been consenting to President Bush’s conduct of the war.
“Senator Obama believes that we cannot simply give President Bush another blank check, and that we must negotiate a better plan to fund our troops, signal to the Iraqis that it is time for them to act, and begin to bring our brave servicemen and women home safely and responsibly,” Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor said.
Think McCain can use this in a debate with Obama? This is the weekend the Democrats lost the 2008 Presidential Election. This is going to be one long and painful hangover from the Obama fantasy dream.
Update: I really liked this summary of the Biden Disaster, my thoughts exactly. Biden was so bad I had come to believe he was a simple head fake. Faked me out!
Update: AP calls the Biden selection a signal Obama lacks confidence:
Analysis: Biden pick shows lack of confidence
Update: Yep, I am out here pushing the for the best VP selection John McCain could ever make – a VP who has run for ‘change’ in Washington DC:
Compare this to the Biden selection and everyone will be wondering why Obama had to run to the dusty-old-white-guy bin in the Senate for a VP>
Update: I had decided the choice would never be Biden after Hannity rattled off about ten derogatory quotes from Biden against Obama. These quotes are all McCain needs to run in ads this fall to kill the Obama-Biden ticket. Ed Morrissey notes the opening salvo is already out:
Honestly, I did not think Obama would be so dumb as to pick someone with an endless list of complaints on the record about him. I was wrong.
Update: I want to address the ridiculous idea Biden can shore up Obama’s lack of foreign policy experience – no way in hell. First off, the VP candidates never debate the Presidential candidates so Obama still has to face McCain one-on-one. Secondly, Obama has a foreign policy staff already feeding him details has fast as he can take them. If it hasn’t sunk in by now, another obnoxious and nagging voice isn’t going to make him any smarter in the coming weeks.
Update: I have to agree with Lawhawk on this selection of Biden for VP:
This has to rank up there as one of the most bizarre roll outs of a vice presidential nominee ever. I can’t ever recall an instance where a Presidential candidate ever decided to announce their choice prior to a convention where it didn’t get prime time positioning.
And it stemmed from the fact that the campaign decided that they were going to announce Obama’s selection via text message instead of the more traditional press conference. When media outlets started getting wind of Obama’s choice, the campaign decided that it had no choice but to run the text message.
At just after 3AM. 3AM!
Where is the magic in picking some old white guy from the Senate who can bring you the state of Delaware? I think Obama was struggling with the decision so much he delayed it way too long and then lost the opportunity. He is not controlling the message or setting the tone. He is letting others do it off the text message alert. He should have been on prime time TV framing the choice, explaining his decisions, assuring America. More here.
This is another typical Ivy League educated techno-idiot (like Al Gore) who think they are grabbing onto the cutting edge of technology when they actually have their hands gripping the wrong edge of the cutting edge knife. To rely on a text message in the dark of night is to lose control of the roll out.
I am reminded that Obama was the first fool to set up a campaign website where is opponents and disappointed fans could post their screeds all day long. Who set’s up a website for the enemies to destroy him through the death of a thousand angry cuts? Obama’s inexperience is showing through loud and clear now. I am expecting him to look a bit tentative and in doubt when we finally see him on the Biden selection. Why else sneak this out at 3 AM in the morning?
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After hours staking out Joe Biden’s Delaware home with no sign of the prospective VP candidate, reporters are now witnessing a flurry of activity.
Cars have recently pulled into the driveway — including a police car — and Biden’s daughter, son, and wife are now believed to be inside
As reported in her Nightly News spot, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh and Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, according to sources, were told they’re out of the running.
What’s up with the Biden selection – except we now have the two largest egomaniacs ever to grace the Presidential and Vice Presidential tickets? Joe Biden brings what again? He is an old crotchety senator steeped in foreign policy. So is McCain. BFD.
If McCain is smart he will do something bold and go for a “minority” VP like Michael Steele of MD. That would end Obama’s clumsy run as the Messiah – a campaign that now looks like it is right out of the Life of Brian (or The Life of Barry, or whoever).
Brian: I’m not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!
Girl: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.
Brian: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!
Followers: He is! He is the Messiah!
Brian: Now, fuck off!
[silence]
Arthur: How shall we fuck off, O Lord?[and]
The Crowd: The Messiah! The Messiah! Show us the Messiah!
Brian’s mother: The who?
The Crowd: The Messiah!
Brian’s mother: There’s no Messiah in here. There’s a mess all right, but no Messiah. Now go away!
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Yup – it’s going to be Biden. We now even have Secret Service on their way to his house, which seems as definitive as anything else.
I now live in Delaware (after spending 12 years in the DC area, and growing up in the Philly area), and they really do love him here. My late father-in-law would have been ecstatic about this, God rest his soul.
There are a few different routes to go with a VP, and Biden hits two of them:
1) Experience – would anyone care to argue that the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is not experienced in foreign affairs?
2) He’s a frickin’ bulldog – he’ll have a blast spending the next 3 months attacking McCain on his foreign policy stances. Any debate issues between Biden and McCain’s VP that involve foreign policy will be a bloodbath.
Plus, this gives us full license on the new “Noun, verb, POW” meme with McCain.
BTW, AJ – I’m still waiting for any comment from you concerning 1) the suicide attacks in Afghanistan that killed 60 people on Thursday, or the announcement of a joint agreement between the Bush Admin and the Iraqi government for a timeline to withdraw trooops.
At a minimum, wouldn’t it be advantageous to withdraw those troops and bring some of them into the Afghanistan/Pakistan border, where they could actually fight the people that attacked us on 9/11?
maybe the big hope is that Chia Biden will carry Delaware for Obama, that’ll give him one state.
By the way, Breschau, when did you move over from scotland and why haven’t you updated your facebook?
What’s the question about a terrorist bomber in Afghan? Everybody knows the remnants of the ragtags from Iraq has moved to Afghanistan in a last ditch effort to blow their asses up.
And I think it’s great that the war in Iraq is under control enough that we can now work out a timeline for combat troop withdrawal. with any luck we’ll have all out in less time than Germany or Japan or Kosovo. I’m sure AJ is celebrating the success in Iraq as all patriotic Americans are. (don’t know about scotch guys.)
Redteam:
Please list my Facebook URL. I need another good laugh tonight.
First, Obama said, “We need a timeline for withdrawl.” Then, Bush said “Timelines are bad”. Then, McCain said “Timelines are bad. 100 years is fine with me!”.
Then, the Prime Minister of Iraq said, “We need a timeline for withdrawl.”
Now, we have a timeline.
Remind me of who the supposed expert on foreign policy was, again? Is it the guy who’s proposal is reflected by current developments (Obama, who wanted a timeline years ago), or is it the guy who insisted we should never leave Iraq, and now contradicts the current administration?
And out of nowhere:
Jack Reed might be the VP. No, I didn’t see that coming, and who knows where Wonkette’s source came from. But hey – there it is.
Reed’s a military guy (graduated from West Point, so come up with fun ways of attacking his patriotism, folks), and he’s a Ranger (getting my emotional vote already), and would also probably make for a nice bulldog in attack mode… but otherwise – eh? What does he bring?
But, he might be the kind of “no-negativity” candidate Obama is looking for. Guess we’ll find out in 12 hours or so.
just click on your bookmark, it’s easy.
Pres Bush has said from the beginning that once Iraq was secure the troops would be withdrawn, but if you think all US troops will be out of Iraq 10 years from now, you’re dreaming.
breschau:
Oh please. The whole issue of Iraq might very well be resolved by the time the election is here. Biden wanted to divide Iraq into pieces by the way. And we have been fighting AlQaida in Iraq, and they are the people who attacked us. As far as that is concerned, Saddam fired on our planes, tried to kill a president and made a point of refusing to comply with dozens of force resolutions and if I remember correctly Biden voted to give Bush authority to go into Iraq.
so spare us all the same old crap.
Well I have been hearing a lot of stuff about how McCain is too old for the office. He is a whole 6 years older than Biden and Biden has spent the last 36 years in the Senate.
So much for hope and change.
BTW, Biden is a supporter of open borders. That might be enough to get some of those hardliners to vote for McCain. How about that?
I don’t have one. Please share?
Hey, here’s another idea – share that URL, or admit you have just been making shit up for a week now. How does that sit with you?
Well it looks like Obama will wrap up that vital Delaware vote!
Geez, can’t even find his own bookmark.
here’s how you do it, type in Facebookdotcom into google search, it’ll bring up a list that will help you find the site, then type in your username and password and viola, you’re there.
let’s list the pluses for Chia
he’s a plagiarist, so Obama and crew can depend on him to find copies of old speeches to give.
that means he can probably copy videos also, so that he can remember how to feed Obama that line on how many states there are.
he’s almost as old as McCain, so that removes the age argument.
he’s from a huge state with lots of electoral votes, so that makes it easier for mcCain to take the smaller states like Ohio and Michigan
all the way around, a really good pick, for the Republicans.
Breschau
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damn, do you even know where you’re from
Ah, Change? or politics as usual?
Gee whiz!! Obama picks Biden over Clinton? That will surely anger the other 50% of her followers who have said they will vote for Obama. I imagine Clinton is boiling mad now. The idea that Slow Joe would be a better vice president than she would. Can’t you just see Biden presiding over the senate? An idiot in control for sure. A gaffe a minute and beats Obama’s record.
In the Dead of Night, Obama Picks Joe Biden As VP…
This has to rank up there as one of the most bizarre roll outs of a vice presidential nominee ever. I can’t ever recall an instance where a Presidential candidate ever decided to announce their choice prior to a convention where it didn’t get prime t…
Regarding the “midnight” pick…there is DEFINITELY more to this story than meets the eye…someone somewhere is NOT happy about Biden as the pick. Perhaps o, himself? Was he forced into this? Were the polls just so damning that he HAD to do this?
Desperation, thy name is democrat.
I agree, Barbara – Biden is arguably the worst possible pick that Obama could have made!
Think about the possibilities – obviously, there was Hillary, and failing her, at least a woman to throw a bone to the dedicated Hillary supporters. A pick of Biden (who had almost 0 support among democrats in the primaries) show casual disrespect for that entire group.
But how about a midwesterner, like Bayh? Important battleground area, and it doesn’t count to say Obama’s from Illinois, because he isn’t. He has a connection to the Chicago political machine, but no connection to midwesterners. He needed to pick one to shore that up. (Like Evan Bayh)
Or how about someone who would help in a key battleground state? Kaine, from Virginia. Maybe he would have helped, maybe not, but it’s a good electoral college play. With Biden, he brings in – Delaware???
Or how about someone who would appeal to southern voters? Chet Edwards was rumored. How about someone to appeal to his ardent left supporters? Micheal Moore begged for Caroline Kennedy. (Interesing name, would have addressed the Hillary problem and added the Kennedy name to the ticket.)
Point is *Every*possible choice was better than Biden. Biden’s foreign policy experience only puts Obama’s lack of experience into sharp relief. Is Obama going to propose that Biden handle all foreign policy, become an even stronger veep than Cheney? If not, what good is his experience?
Obama has just written off women, written off the south, written off the midwest, and aggravated his most ardent hard left supporters.
This is the worst vice presidential selection since Dan Quayle. What a disaster!!!!
So, the general response is: “This is great news for McCain!”. Wow, what a… shock. Never saw that coming.
“First off, the VP candidates never debate the Presidential candidates so Obama still has to face McCain one-on-one.”
No, but the VP candidates do debate each other. Can you imagine a Biden/Romney debate on foreign affairs? It’d look something like Tyson/Spinks.
“Where is the magic in picking some old white guy from the Senate who can bring you the state of Delaware?”
And if that’s all he was, you’d be right. But first, he’s extremely popular in PA, a battleground state (he’s been called “PA’s third Senator”). He’s extremely popular with the Broder set of the media, so maybe they’ll take the collective stick out of their asses for the next couple of months. And he’s a bulldog – he’ll go after McCain (and his VP pick) with a tenacity that Obama can’t afford to show publically. Yeah, he might say something he regrets later, but if he comes up with another line like “Noun, verb, and 9/11″, it’ll be WAY worth it.
All anybody talked about last night was “who’s the pick?” All anybody will talk about today is Biden. Tomorrow, in the Sunday papers and the AM talk shows, the only topic will be Obama/Biden. On Monday, the Democratic convention starts. That’s the main point of coverage through Thursday.
Do you know who people won’t be talking about during those 6 days? John McCain. He’s going to have to shoot a guy in the face just to show up on memeorandum.
This pick is so boneheaded that I believe it was planned as an exit. The internal poll numbers must be devastating. I suspect that the DNC convention will be interesting to the point that Barack will not get the nomination. Remember. We are talking the Clintons here! Buy stock in Orville Redenbocker!
Re: the video update.
Easy refute in the history of politics:
1) “I never said he wasn’t ready.”
2) “I would have been happy to run with the McCain of 2005. But that McCain wouldn’t even recognize the McCain of 2008, who has flip-flopped on every important issue since then.”
Breschau, Here’s your new theme for the next couple of months (rest of your life? Depends on how much you want to wallow)
Remember, stick to this, this is going to be the official Party Line from now on:
http://www.slate.com/id/2198397/
If Obama Loses: Racism is the only reason McCain might beat him.
“To the rest of the world, a rejection of the promise he represents wouldn’t just be an odd choice by the United States. It would be taken for what it would be: sign and symptom of a nation’s historical decline.”
so get ready to stick to that – The US is a backward looking, hateful, racist country in a longterm decline. Good luck in this election and all future elections with that one!
(Oh, and I know you’ll be there – if not now, then definitely by Nov. 8.)
I think McCain should pick a woman, how about Alaska and open AN WAR? Gas that is.
Yes, Kathie. I believe Sarah Palin would be an awesome pick, as she is quite bright, quit witted and very conservative. I’ve seen her handle ‘Softball’ that left the liberals (host and guest) with their jaws dropped and looking even more ignorant than usual! I would be happy with that VP pick, even though I’m not all that happy with McCain. But given this current election cycle, there really aren’t any ‘good’ choices for President.
Sorry about the Palin pick, but MD is a better target than Alaska is for the GOP to disrupt Obama’s EC plans.
AJStrata
I think Palin is too unknown and too inexperienced. I know she is a conservative but there is a lot going on in Alaska right now. She herself is facing some sort of investigation because of the firing of a state trooper who was her sister’s ex. Or something. It probably will not amount to anything, but it could be turned into a bigger deal than it is if she were running for VP.
As for Obama, Richardson would have been a better choice. He is from the southwest, he has a lot of foreign policy experience and he is a popular sitting Governor.
Steele will bring neither MD or any appreciable African American votes… That voting block will vote for Obama just because he is black and a Dem. VP candidates rarely are added now to bring states but to create an image of the overall presidential package. Mitt Romney could go toe to toe with ’shoot from the lip Biden’ in a debate and can be an attack dog like Joe which is why Obama’s handlers had Biden added to the ticket….to attack McCain so Obama could stay above it all.
I’ve been hearing a lot of people, especially Bill Kristol, talk about Palin and after doing some research she would not be a bad choice. Palin comes from the middle class – has been active in education and senior issues, knows all about oil and gas infrastructure and operations, is married to a normal working guy and sportsman, has a son in the military and sits on boards for climate change. She is a bright , feisty and intelligent …and brings some new young blood – a Washington outsider… and will give Hillary female voters a reason to vote for McCain.
I love that Steele video. I would vote for Steele for any office he decided to run for. We need more people like him in office. He is a straight shooter and cuts through the crap with plain language and common sense. He is an anti-weasel.
Steele for GOP VP!
I think Steele would be a good choice.
Hey WWS, you know what’s ironic? that link where they blame it all on racism. The whole article is to make the case that we should all vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black. is that racism or just affirmative action? And according to all the polls I’ve seen about 90% of all black voters are voting for Obama BECAUSE he’s black. Is that racism? So the case could be made that whether he is or is not elected, it’s because of racism. Is that a basis for electing a person? Would Obama like to know that the ONLY reason he was elected was because of racism?
my objection to Obama is all politics, the crooked Chicago machine, the ties to black liberation theology, Nation of Islam.
If McCain were to pick a woman, I’d prefer Kay Bailey Hutchison, she’d help with Texas. But I think he should pick the best person, and I’m not sure who it is. I would hope he wouldn’t pick a plagiarist-in-chief. If I could choose, it might be Condi, if she’d take it.
“polls I’ve seen about 90% of all black voters are voting for Obama BECAUSE he’s black. Is that racism?”
Yes, of course it is. And this talk of anyone who doesn’t vote Obama is racist is simply Orwellian. I would say people voting FOR him because he is black is racist. Our vote should be decided by the content (or lack thereof) of his character, not by the color of his skin. I see him as a huckster, a con artist who tells people whatever he believes they want to hear. He has no experience, no track record, and doesn’t appear to bring anything to the table except the color of his skin. He is just another weasel. That has nothing to do with his race.
From reading the stories being put out by various factions, I get the feeling really McCain wants to pick Liebermann, although I don’t think the convention would go for that. I just don’t hear any talk from anyone connected with the campaign about Steele, which is too bad.
I think Pawlenty is the most likely safe pick. He’s good with social conservatives and maybe brings in Minnesota’s electoral votes. He’s a good speaker and a young governor as well – a good contrast to Biden.
Yeah, that Slate article is a bit over the line. I mean, to state that racism will play absolutely no role in the election is delusional – but saying it’s the only thing that can prevent him from winning is to ignore how many issues are at stake this year.
Would there be some Europeans (and Americans) that saw an Obama loss as a sign that America is still racist at its heart? Yeah, probably. So?
“I would say people voting FOR him because he is black is racist.”
But Crosspatch, you KNOW that black people can’t be racist! Only white people operating in support of the cultural oppressor are capable of being racists.
And it’s racist of you to think that judging people’s actions on the basis of race is racist. Unless of course you’re judging someone who’s black, and then of course it is racist. But if you’re white it’s extremely racist of you to point that out.
Here’s a general rule: if you are white, anything you do (except voting for Obama and supporting democrats) is racist. If you are black, nothing is racist except voting republican, in which case you deserve to be called names like oreo and uncle Tom.
And to call any black person stupid is racist, unless of course it’s an intelligent jurist like Clarence Thomas, in which case it’s racist not to call him stupid.
See how it works?
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Palin is in the middle of a scandal. I don’t think now is the time for her.
Biden looks like an old grease ball hippie. Enough said. Change subject. What was Michele Obama so angry about when Barry was hustling her aboard the plane today? She looked like she was madder than a wet settin’ hen.
I still cannot count Hillary out either as Pres. or Veep.
I know I am a skeptic at times but I can’t see the Clintons fading off into the sunset, giving up and hoping for 2012 action leaves too much to fate and events out of their control.
Unless the Chicago machine has something on them that would destroy them I can see another run at power at the convention and that could usher in events worse than 68. The blacks would go absolutely crazy if she stole this from the Messiah. Perhaps she knows that as well.
I’ll believe the witch is dead when I see the water thrown and she desolves into smoke and a pile of dust.
Obama/Biden = Ignorance/Arrogance x2
Terrye the scandal is really nothing.
I love Michael Steele, but I hate the way dems treat him.
Biden, head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he voted no on the first Gulf War, and yes on Iraqi Freedom. I’m wondering did he read the special Intel and then vote? Only 6 senators saw the intel.
I think a woman would get McCain the most millage.
AJ.
Agree that Michael Steele would be a superb choice.
Bresch,
They don’t call him “slow Joe” the “plagiarizer” for no reason. Wait for him to explain why he was “for the war” before he was “against it.” And what he meant in describing Obama as “clean.”
The senate has been called a school for bores. And Biden is well schooled. He is a gift to republicans.
“Biden is the stupid person’s idea of the smart person’s candidate.”
From “Obama picks Cliff the Mailman.”
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog
AJ not only did he support the war, he was head of foreign Relations Committee, the Dems were in power at the time of the vote for Iraqi Freedom. So I would assume that he had the intel that the President had. I heard it said that he really pushed for the war. I will be interested to see if all this news gets out. I won’t hold my breath.
I can hardly wait for all the stories to come out about how much lobbyist money he gets (slightly more that that purist Obama) and how much payola he’s getting from the “business” interests there in Delaware. I will not be even slightly surprised if Obama’s bounce isn’t on the downward part after this fiasco. Biden is an opponents ‘dream’ pick. Apparently they’ve run out of speech material and know that the plagiarist-in-chief knows how to copy. There are so many great stories out on Biden today alone to last the whole campaign. Like how many degrees does he claim to have, where did he finish in his law class? hint 79 out of 86 is close. The tree is full of low hanging fruit.
The quandary now is what will the Dems do at the convention? If they don’t replace Obama with Clinton, they’ll lose even more Dem support. If they do, they will lose the black vote and the socialists votes. It’s gonna be like a convention of rabbits from Alice in Wonderland “i’m late, i’m late, for a very important date, what’ll I do”?
Pawlenty doesn’t excite me, condi rice, mike steele, romney, one of those.
The war was the right thing to do in my opinion.
That said ,at the time, shortly after 9/11, the American people were in a patriotic mood and wanted some retribution, some payback, an example to be set. So, the politicians, being the expert panderers they are were all trying to get to the right of George Bush. The dems actually went to the well of the Senate and upped the anty. Hillary did it, Biden did it, most of the Dems did it. It took a sustained effort by the Dems and the media to undermine the war effort and pin the war on the Republicans alone.
I don’t think it was any extra intelligence it was typical political pandering and opportunism!
Term limits would go a long way toward ending this behavior. If 8 years is long enough for a president then 35 years is about 27 to long for a senator. All they are interested in is preserving their jobs.
“I can hardly wait for all the stories to come out about how much lobbyist money he gets (slightly more that that purist Obama) and how much payola he’s getting from the “business” interests there in Delaware.”
Ya know, there’s been a lot of ridiculous statements in this thread – but this line takes the friggin’ cake.
Joe Biden has been in the Senate for 35 years, and he was the least wealthy member of the last Senate, and is most likely at or near the bottom of this Senate.
I realize that it’s difficult for Republicans to understand this concept, considering all of the examples to the contrary on your side, but it is possible for a Senator to stick around for a long time and NOT be corrupted.
Considering the background of Obama and Biden, in terms of the economic situation of how they grew up and what their personal wealth is now, I am PRAYING for McCain to choose Romney as his VP. The contrast would be STUNNING. (Not to mention what Biden would do to Romney in the VP debates.)
Macker:
“The senate has been called a school for bores. And Biden is well schooled.”
BWAaaahaahaha…
Hey, you are aware that your candidate is a long-time Senator? Right? Right?
HAHAHAHAHa……..
Watched thenews off and on today. One thing struck me: o does not look enthused. The pictures of o and b with their wives hugging each other looked waaaay too orchestrated, had a noticeable lack of enthusiasm.
Which leads me to conclude along with the otched 3 am announcement that yes, o, is not in charge. He is being told what to do…
Follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$…
breschau, check it out, lobbyists?? yeah, lots of people that make 130-160K a year can afford a million dollar plus house. You believe that?
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/23/bidens-lobbying-ties/
ivehadit:
Ms O shows her happy face when she’s ‘proud’ of America. Once in her life, so far.
Redteam:
You mean, Biden has accepted money from the primary industries (credit cards, lawyers) in his state? REALLY?
I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!
So you’re okay with campaign’s being funded by kickbacks? Must be, seems that is how Obama got into politics, U of C hospital vp hires firms at extravagant rates to do work and they donate heavily to Obama’s campaign. Politics as usual. Guess Obama is gonna be named Mr Clean.
I don’t need to provide a link on that about U of C, it’s all over the internet.