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		<title>By: WWS</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5831/comment-page-1#comment-373339</link>
		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in breschies case, I think he watches because he wants to have Obama&#039;s baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in breschies case, I think he watches because he wants to have Obama&#8217;s baby.</p>
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		<title>By: missy1</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5831/comment-page-1#comment-373195</link>
		<dc:creator>missy1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe conservatives  have been exposed to these individuals through a couple  years of campaigning, no real need to  watch the spin drama now.

The real question is, why would anyone need to watch it at this late date  to form an opinion of this over-exposed candidate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe conservatives  have been exposed to these individuals through a couple  years of campaigning, no real need to  watch the spin drama now.</p>
<p>The real question is, why would anyone need to watch it at this late date  to form an opinion of this over-exposed candidate?</p>
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		<title>By: breschau</title>
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		<dc:creator>breschau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so conservatives don&#039;t want to be &quot;duped&quot;, they just don&#039;t want to be exposed to anything that might challenge their pre-formed opinions. Well, that sounds like a healthy way to go through life.

Thank you for confirming what Stephen Colbert said about George W. Bush: &quot;You know where he stands. This is a man that believes the same thing on Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened on Tuesday!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so conservatives don&#8217;t want to be &#8220;duped&#8221;, they just don&#8217;t want to be exposed to anything that might challenge their pre-formed opinions. Well, that sounds like a healthy way to go through life.</p>
<p>Thank you for confirming what Stephen Colbert said about George W. Bush: &#8220;You know where he stands. This is a man that believes the same thing on Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened on Tuesday!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ivehadit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivehadit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bresch, now you know that conservatives do not want to be duped. They like to SEE things for themselves. They want the facts and they will judge for themselves.

The point Terrye is making, imho, (and I know she is not a conservative per se) is that she did not even care about seeing the lie-fest. It was too sickening to watch, full of empty words and intellectual dishonesty. Just words. And fabrications.

Imho, she didn&#039;t need to watch because she knew the players. Same &#039;ol, same &#039;ol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bresch, now you know that conservatives do not want to be duped. They like to SEE things for themselves. They want the facts and they will judge for themselves.</p>
<p>The point Terrye is making, imho, (and I know she is not a conservative per se) is that she did not even care about seeing the lie-fest. It was too sickening to watch, full of empty words and intellectual dishonesty. Just words. And fabrications.</p>
<p>Imho, she didn&#8217;t need to watch because she knew the players. Same &#8216;ol, same &#8216;ol.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker9876</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker9876</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to wonder how the heck Obama would be able to get top secret clearance with all of his questionable connections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wonder how the heck Obama would be able to get top secret clearance with all of his questionable connections.</p>
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		<title>By: KauaiBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>KauaiBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One does not need to go to the circus to know that their will be plenty of clowns, maybe a fat lady or two and if we are lucky someone may bite the head off of a chicken. This convention is Woodstock revisited without any good music and without the excuse of bad drugs to explain the delusional thinking. Just thank God none of them are getting naked.....ichhhhh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One does not need to go to the circus to know that their will be plenty of clowns, maybe a fat lady or two and if we are lucky someone may bite the head off of a chicken. This convention is Woodstock revisited without any good music and without the excuse of bad drugs to explain the delusional thinking. Just thank God none of them are getting naked&#8230;..ichhhhh.</p>
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		<title>By: breschau</title>
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		<dc:creator>breschau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye:

So, you&#039;re making conclusions about the convention, based upon the fact that you haven&#039;t watched the convention?

Yup - that sounds like Republican logic to me. &quot;I know nothing about this subject, and here&#039;s my expert opinion on it.&quot; 

You&#039;re doing a heckuva job, Terry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye:</p>
<p>So, you&#8217;re making conclusions about the convention, based upon the fact that you haven&#8217;t watched the convention?</p>
<p>Yup &#8211; that sounds like Republican logic to me. &#8220;I know nothing about this subject, and here&#8217;s my expert opinion on it.&#8221; </p>
<p>You&#8217;re doing a heckuva job, Terry.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not watched any of this convention. This is the first year that I could not bring myself to listen to it. I think that is what is wrong. The Democrats are such nags most people are not tuning in.

I am sure Bill gave a good speech. He was always good at that sort of thing. But I am also sure that the Obamas and the Clintons hate each other. And the same thing can be said for their respective fan clubs.

Unify the country? Hell, they can not even unify themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not watched any of this convention. This is the first year that I could not bring myself to listen to it. I think that is what is wrong. The Democrats are such nags most people are not tuning in.</p>
<p>I am sure Bill gave a good speech. He was always good at that sort of thing. But I am also sure that the Obamas and the Clintons hate each other. And the same thing can be said for their respective fan clubs.</p>
<p>Unify the country? Hell, they can not even unify themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton&#039;s record before revision: Black Hawk Down (our retreat used as inspiration for Bin Laden and the Insurgency in Iraq), 1st World Trade Center bombing, Embassies bombed in Kenya and Tanzania, Bombing of USS Cole in Yemen.  Response: Bomb an aspirin factory, Attack Branch Davidians in Waco, Deport Elian Gonzalez, and to Pass when offered Bin Laden on a platter.

Respect Level: laughingstock due to his phone conversations with buddy and terrorist Yassar Arafat while &quot;meeting&quot; with Monica.

Economics: promised middle class tax cut (reneged within weeks of inauguration and just before passing the largest tax increase in history).  claimed credit for Republican welfare reform and balanced budget plans.  Road the huge economic boon related to Information Technology.  At the end of 8 years: country sliding toward recession, and left W. to deal with Enron, Worldcom, and Global Crossing corruption that thrived unchecked during the Clinton years.

Armed Forces: emaciated due to budget cuts and Al Gore&#039;s downsizing of the Federal Employment rolls, most of which were within the armed forces.

Obama&#039;s Promises: without end.
Obama&#039;s Accomplishments: without beginning.
Obama&#039;s Judgment: Terrorist William Ayer&#039;s, Felon Tony Rezko, and 20 year spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright

Ultimately, what I&#039;ll remember most about tonight was Biden trashing his &quot;friend&quot; John McCain to the cheers of the party of compassion and tolerance.  I&#039;ll be surprised with a bounce of 5%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton&#8217;s record before revision: Black Hawk Down (our retreat used as inspiration for Bin Laden and the Insurgency in Iraq), 1st World Trade Center bombing, Embassies bombed in Kenya and Tanzania, Bombing of USS Cole in Yemen.  Response: Bomb an aspirin factory, Attack Branch Davidians in Waco, Deport Elian Gonzalez, and to Pass when offered Bin Laden on a platter.</p>
<p>Respect Level: laughingstock due to his phone conversations with buddy and terrorist Yassar Arafat while &#8220;meeting&#8221; with Monica.</p>
<p>Economics: promised middle class tax cut (reneged within weeks of inauguration and just before passing the largest tax increase in history).  claimed credit for Republican welfare reform and balanced budget plans.  Road the huge economic boon related to Information Technology.  At the end of 8 years: country sliding toward recession, and left W. to deal with Enron, Worldcom, and Global Crossing corruption that thrived unchecked during the Clinton years.</p>
<p>Armed Forces: emaciated due to budget cuts and Al Gore&#8217;s downsizing of the Federal Employment rolls, most of which were within the armed forces.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s Promises: without end.<br />
Obama&#8217;s Accomplishments: without beginning.<br />
Obama&#8217;s Judgment: Terrorist William Ayer&#8217;s, Felon Tony Rezko, and 20 year spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright</p>
<p>Ultimately, what I&#8217;ll remember most about tonight was Biden trashing his &#8220;friend&#8221; John McCain to the cheers of the party of compassion and tolerance.  I&#8217;ll be surprised with a bounce of 5%.</p>
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		<title>By: WWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>breschie, you&#039;re such a clown - acting like you don&#039;t know that Obama first volunteered to do a series of townhall style debates with McCain, and then backed out of it when his handlers realized he can&#039;t be trusted without a teleprompter.  

The three &quot;debates&quot; aren&#039;t debates at all - find a dictionary and go find out what a real debate is supposed to be.  They&#039;re just going to be forums with both candidates on stage answering staged questions with prepared answers and little to no give and take between them.   The big Lie is to pretend that these are actually &quot;debates&quot; - they&#039;re not.  They&#039;re joint infomercials. McCain tried for more, because he knows the American public wants more.  Obama is scared of any forum where he can&#039;t control the questions.  No more Saddlebacks for him!!! 

As far as this convention, Ace over at the Ace of Spades blog has captured my feelings perfectly:

&quot;It&#039;s like a four-day long high-school spirit rally with ugly people I don&#039;t know, all on behalf of thuggish soccer team that sexually abused my sister.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>breschie, you&#8217;re such a clown &#8211; acting like you don&#8217;t know that Obama first volunteered to do a series of townhall style debates with McCain, and then backed out of it when his handlers realized he can&#8217;t be trusted without a teleprompter.  </p>
<p>The three &#8220;debates&#8221; aren&#8217;t debates at all &#8211; find a dictionary and go find out what a real debate is supposed to be.  They&#8217;re just going to be forums with both candidates on stage answering staged questions with prepared answers and little to no give and take between them.   The big Lie is to pretend that these are actually &#8220;debates&#8221; &#8211; they&#8217;re not.  They&#8217;re joint infomercials. McCain tried for more, because he knows the American public wants more.  Obama is scared of any forum where he can&#8217;t control the questions.  No more Saddlebacks for him!!! </p>
<p>As far as this convention, Ace over at the Ace of Spades blog has captured my feelings perfectly:</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s like a four-day long high-school spirit rally with ugly people I don&#8217;t know, all on behalf of thuggish soccer team that sexually abused my sister.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three debates and hay we vote for the next president and he leads the country. What about I&#039;ll meet McCain any time any place and we can duke it out. No, that was a lie, because Obama thinks that huge groups makes the man look Presidential. That&#039;s what I was talking about. The only change about Obama is that he is a Democrat and black. The black part is great, not only for all those who never thought they would see a black person in his position, but it is also good for America&#039;s soul. The Democrat part is some old stuff out of a different mouth. Ask what the government can do for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three debates and hay we vote for the next president and he leads the country. What about I&#8217;ll meet McCain any time any place and we can duke it out. No, that was a lie, because Obama thinks that huge groups makes the man look Presidential. That&#8217;s what I was talking about. The only change about Obama is that he is a Democrat and black. The black part is great, not only for all those who never thought they would see a black person in his position, but it is also good for America&#8217;s soul. The Democrat part is some old stuff out of a different mouth. Ask what the government can do for you!</p>
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		<title>By: breschau</title>
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		<dc:creator>breschau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kathie:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;No wonder Obama will not debate McCain.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Really? They&#039;re going to have &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates,_2008&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;3 of them, within 3 weeks of each other&lt;/a&gt;.

Does your definition of &quot;will not debate&quot; actually mean &quot;has not debated so far&quot;? Because otherwise, it doesn&#039;t make much sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kathie:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;No wonder Obama will not debate McCain.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Really? They&#8217;re going to have <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates,_2008" rel="nofollow">3 of them, within 3 weeks of each other</a>.</p>
<p>Does your definition of &#8220;will not debate&#8221; actually mean &#8220;has not debated so far&#8221;? Because otherwise, it doesn&#8217;t make much sense.</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that 911 was years being planned but carried out in 2001 says something about the intelligence community. 

I think I get it. A politician can say anything as long as his opponent is not on the stage. Any lie will do.  Any distortion will do. Any implication will do. No wonder Obama will not debate McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that 911 was years being planned but carried out in 2001 says something about the intelligence community. </p>
<p>I think I get it. A politician can say anything as long as his opponent is not on the stage. Any lie will do.  Any distortion will do. Any implication will do. No wonder Obama will not debate McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: breschau</title>
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		<dc:creator>breschau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;The second one was visual, and it happened when Clinton called on the 18 Hillaryâ€™s 18 million voters to back Obama. Half the place stopped cheering and sat down.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Oh c&#039;mon AJ - I admit that I spent a decent portion of Pres. Clinton&#039;s speech wondering &quot;What are AJ and the other Repubs going to use to bash this thing?&quot; But - &quot;half the place stopped cheering&quot;? What video feed were you watching that showed the crowd reaction the entire time during his speech, and allowed you to count all of those imaginary people? Was this a Fox News special on &quot;How We Wish the Clinton Speech Went&quot;?

The crowd reaction was just as strong for that statement as they were for anything else in his speech. And as soon as someone loads it up on YouTube, you&#039;ll be exposed for the partisan hack that you are.

(Oh, BTW - I&#039;m not saying the rest of your post here wasn&#039;t delusional, because it was. Seriously - you&#039;re going to try and blame Clinton for 9/11, when it happened during Bush&#039;s tenure, and he had been &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3616005.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;warned about it just a month before&lt;/a&gt;? This just happened to be the one part that jumped out at me as &quot;I will say anything to promote my party&#039;s views, reality be damned&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;The second one was visual, and it happened when Clinton called on the 18 Hillaryâ€™s 18 million voters to back Obama. Half the place stopped cheering and sat down.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Oh c&#8217;mon AJ &#8211; I admit that I spent a decent portion of Pres. Clinton&#8217;s speech wondering &#8220;What are AJ and the other Repubs going to use to bash this thing?&#8221; But &#8211; &#8220;half the place stopped cheering&#8221;? What video feed were you watching that showed the crowd reaction the entire time during his speech, and allowed you to count all of those imaginary people? Was this a Fox News special on &#8220;How We Wish the Clinton Speech Went&#8221;?</p>
<p>The crowd reaction was just as strong for that statement as they were for anything else in his speech. And as soon as someone loads it up on YouTube, you&#8217;ll be exposed for the partisan hack that you are.</p>
<p>(Oh, BTW &#8211; I&#8217;m not saying the rest of your post here wasn&#8217;t delusional, because it was. Seriously &#8211; you&#8217;re going to try and blame Clinton for 9/11, when it happened during Bush&#8217;s tenure, and he had been <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3616005.stm" rel="nofollow">warned about it just a month before</a>? This just happened to be the one part that jumped out at me as &#8220;I will say anything to promote my party&#8217;s views, reality be damned&#8221;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Toes192</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally looked up what PUMA really is.  I posted a small write-up called &quot;What is PUMA?&quot;... Still on page one of my Fuanglada Blog as of 1800 Alaska time. 

 Btw, for anyone who is thinking of starting a blog, I accidentally chose my wife&#039;s name... Fuanglada at WordPress.  Since it is kind of a different name [Thai] that no one else has, I am immediately first entry when one googles Fuanglada blog... and... lots of first page hits as well on google.  Not bad for a blog that is basically read by my sister... daughter ... and son.  :)  Absolutely no charge for that advice to a new blogger.   

 My wife {Fuanglada} loved Senator Clinton&#039;s speech and all the nice things she promised &quot;if it can happen&quot; and wants to believe her but &quot;I know it can not happen.&quot;  

As per President Clinton, after I reviewed for her many of the events that actually happened in his administration... sigh... I do not know how a man can stand up there and distort things so badly with a straight face.

btw2... We both voted for Stevens &amp; Don Young in the primary yesterday ... I have met &amp; visited with both of them.  Bring out your sticks and stones.
With Stevens, he is {only?} on trial.  Seems very confident about that and will not discuss.  He&#039;s a good Senator and right on the big stuff.   As for Don Young, I had to grit my teeth.  He is best for Alaska and we can take the hits from all of you.  Hope for Stevens the most... If the Dems get that seat [and Begich is extremely popular and has run Anchorage very well as Mayor]... that Senate swing will put the Dems very close to the magic filibuster busting number.  It is likely that one or both will lose.
  Hope you get some hits from me.  best &amp; Semper Fi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally looked up what PUMA really is.  I posted a small write-up called &#8220;What is PUMA?&#8221;&#8230; Still on page one of my Fuanglada Blog as of 1800 Alaska time. </p>
<p> Btw, for anyone who is thinking of starting a blog, I accidentally chose my wife&#8217;s name&#8230; Fuanglada at WordPress.  Since it is kind of a different name [Thai] that no one else has, I am immediately first entry when one googles Fuanglada blog&#8230; and&#8230; lots of first page hits as well on google.  Not bad for a blog that is basically read by my sister&#8230; daughter &#8230; and son.  <img src='http://strata-sphere.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Absolutely no charge for that advice to a new blogger.   </p>
<p> My wife {Fuanglada} loved Senator Clinton&#8217;s speech and all the nice things she promised &#8220;if it can happen&#8221; and wants to believe her but &#8220;I know it can not happen.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As per President Clinton, after I reviewed for her many of the events that actually happened in his administration&#8230; sigh&#8230; I do not know how a man can stand up there and distort things so badly with a straight face.</p>
<p>btw2&#8230; We both voted for Stevens &amp; Don Young in the primary yesterday &#8230; I have met &amp; visited with both of them.  Bring out your sticks and stones.<br />
With Stevens, he is {only?} on trial.  Seems very confident about that and will not discuss.  He&#8217;s a good Senator and right on the big stuff.   As for Don Young, I had to grit my teeth.  He is best for Alaska and we can take the hits from all of you.  Hope for Stevens the most&#8230; If the Dems get that seat [and Begich is extremely popular and has run Anchorage very well as Mayor]&#8230; that Senate swing will put the Dems very close to the magic filibuster busting number.  It is likely that one or both will lose.<br />
  Hope you get some hits from me.  best &amp; Semper Fi</p>
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