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		<title>By: Old people, Republicans, and the shooting of messengers - Online Political Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old people, Republicans, and the shooting of messengers - Online Political Blog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] convinced that they had gone under the hood and found that the numbers were all wrong (here is one such example). Indeed, the one recent poll that was decent news for Democrats was immediately assailed from the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Word to your mother - it&#8217;s racist to blame Democrats, Doodad Pro&#8217;s donation, polling methods, Ayers&#8217; airs and mortgage discrimination - the legal kind : NO QUARTER</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/6392/comment-page-1#comment-392687</link>
		<dc:creator>Word to your mother - it&#8217;s racist to blame Democrats, Doodad Pro&#8217;s donation, polling methods, Ayers&#8217; airs and mortgage discrimination - the legal kind : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over at strata-sphere.com is an interesting observation about polling. Using a graphic from a WSJ piece, the author says that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#187; Polls May Be Exaggerating Party Affiliation</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#187; Polls May Be Exaggerating Party Affiliation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] noted in a previous post that the polls seem to be weighted on Party ID and not Policy Preference, where conservatives and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Analyzing the Polls &#124; Jeffrey A. Setaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Analyzing the Polls &#124; Jeffrey A. Setaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Strata has an interesting analysis of recent polls. Note the D-R-I split on â€œall votersâ€ is 43-36-28. Most polls are weighting their sample by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Strata has an interesting analysis of recent polls. Note the D-R-I split on â€œall votersâ€ is 43-36-28. Most polls are weighting their sample by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Huan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the interesting analysis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the interesting analysis</p>
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		<title>By: VA Voter</title>
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		<dc:creator>VA Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ

&quot;Note the D-R-I split on â€œall votersâ€ is 43-36-28. &quot;

It is generally less confusing to your audience to match the graphic to the text in that the WSJ graphic shows the sequence of D-I-R and you reordered it to D-R-I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ</p>
<p>&#8220;Note the D-R-I split on â€œall votersâ€ is 43-36-28. &#8221;</p>
<p>It is generally less confusing to your audience to match the graphic to the text in that the WSJ graphic shows the sequence of D-I-R and you reordered it to D-R-I.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WWS:

I don&#039;t think anyone is forgetting the markets, in fact I think Obama is cheering on the collapse. It was really kind of lucky for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WWS:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone is forgetting the markets, in fact I think Obama is cheering on the collapse. It was really kind of lucky for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I have always wondered about how they change so quickly, 3 weeks ago Obama was behind. I think Obama is gaining, but I am not sure how much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I have always wondered about how they change so quickly, 3 weeks ago Obama was behind. I think Obama is gaining, but I am not sure how much.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ:

I read the story in the WSJ today. Interesting that the conservatives are 37% of the poll and Republicans are only 36% of the poll. It would seem that party affiliation is way off also because the &quot;I&quot; is only 20%. I think the &quot;I&quot; should be btw 25-30%. Rasmussen only has the &quot;D&quot; at 37%. The poll is suspect because it may take leaners into account and then took too many democratic leaners. 

On the Liberal-Moderate-Conservative split, it is quite interesting that the 23-36-37 adds to 96. What? 4% are on the moon. Since moderates are the ones on the fence, lets add the 4% to the moderate column. That makes it 23-40-37. 

Now the problem for a pollster is which way does the 40% lean. You have to choose the proper center/left to center/right split in your poll to be accurate. Now I know that Survey/USA does publish the policy preferences of its sample. However you need a five bucket survey to be accurate. Liberal, center/left middle center/right conservative. I would be happy with a four way survey since I believe the true middle is lightly populated (less than 5%). I would think that the split is not 20/20 but more like 25/15 left. BTW, if you plug in those numbers you get 52-48. That looks like the 2004 election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ:</p>
<p>I read the story in the WSJ today. Interesting that the conservatives are 37% of the poll and Republicans are only 36% of the poll. It would seem that party affiliation is way off also because the &#8220;I&#8221; is only 20%. I think the &#8220;I&#8221; should be btw 25-30%. Rasmussen only has the &#8220;D&#8221; at 37%. The poll is suspect because it may take leaners into account and then took too many democratic leaners. </p>
<p>On the Liberal-Moderate-Conservative split, it is quite interesting that the 23-36-37 adds to 96. What? 4% are on the moon. Since moderates are the ones on the fence, lets add the 4% to the moderate column. That makes it 23-40-37. </p>
<p>Now the problem for a pollster is which way does the 40% lean. You have to choose the proper center/left to center/right split in your poll to be accurate. Now I know that Survey/USA does publish the policy preferences of its sample. However you need a five bucket survey to be accurate. Liberal, center/left middle center/right conservative. I would be happy with a four way survey since I believe the true middle is lightly populated (less than 5%). I would think that the split is not 20/20 but more like 25/15 left. BTW, if you plug in those numbers you get 52-48. That looks like the 2004 election.</p>
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		<title>By: Good Captain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I share your poll dissonance AJ.  I was wondering whether the lead up to the 1994 conservative takeover of the House and Senate might provide an historical barometer for analysis.  There are of course substantial differences in the specifics of the two times but I believe the general level of frustration towards government as both being quite high.  

I don&#039;t recall poll results going into the 1994 elections but I do recall the MSM at the time in a state of shock following the outcome.  This leads me to wonder whether the poll results at that time may have similarly provided false hope to Democrats back in 1994.  If this is true, then it may provide insight into how and why the same could be true today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share your poll dissonance AJ.  I was wondering whether the lead up to the 1994 conservative takeover of the House and Senate might provide an historical barometer for analysis.  There are of course substantial differences in the specifics of the two times but I believe the general level of frustration towards government as both being quite high.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall poll results going into the 1994 elections but I do recall the MSM at the time in a state of shock following the outcome.  This leads me to wonder whether the poll results at that time may have similarly provided false hope to Democrats back in 1994.  If this is true, then it may provide insight into how and why the same could be true today.</p>
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		<title>By: ordi</title>
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		<dc:creator>ordi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey AJ

You wrote:  &lt;i&gt;Note the D-R-I split on â€œall votersâ€ is 43-36-28&lt;/i&gt;

That 28 is actually 20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey AJ</p>
<p>You wrote:  <i>Note the D-R-I split on â€œall votersâ€ is 43-36-28</i></p>
<p>That 28 is actually 20.</p>
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		<title>By: WWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In minor, unrelated news which has no connection at all to politics, world stock markets crashed and the second great depression began.  Brazil and Russia have already halted trading as the contagion spreads.  

Not nearly as important a story as the latest polls, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In minor, unrelated news which has no connection at all to politics, world stock markets crashed and the second great depression began.  Brazil and Russia have already halted trading as the contagion spreads.  </p>
<p>Not nearly as important a story as the latest polls, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ, I hope and pray you are right.  

I&#039;m not sure what the market decline will do to the election...the Dow is down several hundred today, indicating that perhaps the &quot;desperately needed&quot; bailout was not so desperately needed.

And both Obama and McCain are throwing the Big Bombs at each other.  This is going to get VERY ugly.  The good news is that Obama has more skeletons in his closet, and it&#039;s my understanding that the total funds available to McCain (his campaign and the RNC) are nearly twice Obama&#039;s budget.  The bad news is that Obama has the propaganda press providing free publicity for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ, I hope and pray you are right.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the market decline will do to the election&#8230;the Dow is down several hundred today, indicating that perhaps the &#8220;desperately needed&#8221; bailout was not so desperately needed.</p>
<p>And both Obama and McCain are throwing the Big Bombs at each other.  This is going to get VERY ugly.  The good news is that Obama has more skeletons in his closet, and it&#8217;s my understanding that the total funds available to McCain (his campaign and the RNC) are nearly twice Obama&#8217;s budget.  The bad news is that Obama has the propaganda press providing free publicity for him.</p>
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