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	<title>Comments on: Able Danger, GSN-Shaffer, 09/18/05</title>
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		<title>By: Macmind - Conservative Commentary and Common Sense</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/677/comment-page-1#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>Macmind - Conservative Commentary and Common Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Able Danger - Where it all Began&lt;/strong&gt;

Before Weldon spoke on the House Floor in the infamous June 27th, 2005 speech, Reporter Dan Verton broke the story nearly two years ago. In this article, he tells the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Able Danger &#8211; Where it all Began</strong></p>
<p>Before Weldon spoke on the House Floor in the infamous June 27th, 2005 speech, Reporter Dan Verton broke the story nearly two years ago. In this article, he tells the story.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liontooth,

Yes, has been saying that from day one -that is what most of this is about.  Able Danger claims to have identified Atta and, under some speculated timelines, he is in the US earlier than the 9-11 commission has them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liontooth,</p>
<p>Yes, has been saying that from day one -that is what most of this is about.  Able Danger claims to have identified Atta and, under some speculated timelines, he is in the US earlier than the 9-11 commission has them.</p>
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		<title>By: liontooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>liontooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 05:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But is Shaffer saying the 9/11 cells specifically were in the US, or was there another cell? I&#039;ll have to go back and reread the 9/11 Commission Report, but as I recall they mentioned Atta was June of 2000.

SHAFFER: Our focus of the Able Danger oversight fiasco is the fact that this data also identified a cell here in the states.

GSN: Letâ€™s get to the crunch. Now youâ€™ve identified five cells, one of which is in the United States.
 
SHAFFER: Right

SHAFFER: Capt. Philpott came to me and said, â€œBased on our internal discussions within Able Danger, we are concerned by the fact that this appears to be a group of terrorists here within the United States.â€ It was at that point in time that he asked me to broker a relationship or a meeting with the FBI.

GSN: When was that?
 
SHAFFER: My best recollection is between summer of 2000 and fall of 2000, somewhere in that like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But is Shaffer saying the 9/11 cells specifically were in the US, or was there another cell? I&#8217;ll have to go back and reread the 9/11 Commission Report, but as I recall they mentioned Atta was June of 2000.</p>
<p>SHAFFER: Our focus of the Able Danger oversight fiasco is the fact that this data also identified a cell here in the states.</p>
<p>GSN: Letâ€™s get to the crunch. Now youâ€™ve identified five cells, one of which is in the United States.</p>
<p>SHAFFER: Right</p>
<p>SHAFFER: Capt. Philpott came to me and said, â€œBased on our internal discussions within Able Danger, we are concerned by the fact that this appears to be a group of terrorists here within the United States.â€ It was at that point in time that he asked me to broker a relationship or a meeting with the FBI.</p>
<p>GSN: When was that?</p>
<p>SHAFFER: My best recollection is between summer of 2000 and fall of 2000, somewhere in that like.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/677/comment-page-1#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liontooth,

Yes, Shaffer does mention then in the US:

&quot; Thatâ€™s where the whole issue comes in of lawyers saying, â€œYou canâ€™t look at these guys, who are suspected as being terrorists.â€ All this information is coming in. They had this vetting process. And then, all this information comes to us regarding these [suspected terrorists] who were here legally, as part of these data runs. But, the lawyers are now saying, â€œYou canâ€™t look at that. Weâ€™re going to put that in the â€˜U.S personâ€™ category that you canâ€™t look at.â€ &quot;

&quot;here legally&quot; implies here in the US, and why they were being treated, legally, as US citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liontooth,</p>
<p>Yes, Shaffer does mention then in the US:</p>
<p>&#8221; Thatâ€™s where the whole issue comes in of lawyers saying, â€œYou canâ€™t look at these guys, who are suspected as being terrorists.â€ All this information is coming in. They had this vetting process. And then, all this information comes to us regarding these [suspected terrorists] who were here legally, as part of these data runs. But, the lawyers are now saying, â€œYou canâ€™t look at that. Weâ€™re going to put that in the â€˜U.S personâ€™ category that you canâ€™t look at.â€ &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;here legally&#8221; implies here in the US, and why they were being treated, legally, as US citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: LuckyBogey</title>
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		<dc:creator>LuckyBogey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you over looked that AD did in fact identify a cell &quot;within&quot; the US?  

..... Capt. Philpott came to me and said, â€œBased on our internal discussions within Able Danger, we are concerned by the fact that this appears to be a group of terrorists here within the United States.â€ It was at that point in time that he asked me to broker a relationship or a meeting with the FBI.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you over looked that AD did in fact identify a cell &#8220;within&#8221; the US?  </p>
<p>&#8230;.. Capt. Philpott came to me and said, â€œBased on our internal discussions within Able Danger, we are concerned by the fact that this appears to be a group of terrorists here within the United States.â€ It was at that point in time that he asked me to broker a relationship or a meeting with the FBI&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: liontooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>liontooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too just carefully read the whole interview.  

Shaffer has only said Able Danger identified the cells and Atta in 2000.  Shaffer has never said specifically that Atta or the cells were actually in the US, has he? All I see is that Atta and the cells were only linked to the US. 

Unless the original data is found and reanalyzied, there is nothing  currently that disputes Atta&#039;s timeline vs the 9/11 Commission Report. 

GSN:  Suppose you get to the point, where everybody says, â€œYes, Able Danger existed; yes, they did this great data mining; yes, they identified the cells and Atta; 
What, beyond everybody agreeing that your story is 100 percent accurate, are you looking for?
 
SHAFFER:
The ultimate goal is what created this whole event to begin with. The intent of Congressman Weldon, and the Army and maybe the leadership was to re-create this [data mining] capability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too just carefully read the whole interview.  </p>
<p>Shaffer has only said Able Danger identified the cells and Atta in 2000.  Shaffer has never said specifically that Atta or the cells were actually in the US, has he? All I see is that Atta and the cells were only linked to the US. </p>
<p>Unless the original data is found and reanalyzied, there is nothing  currently that disputes Atta&#8217;s timeline vs the 9/11 Commission Report. </p>
<p>GSN:  Suppose you get to the point, where everybody says, â€œYes, Able Danger existed; yes, they did this great data mining; yes, they identified the cells and Atta;<br />
What, beyond everybody agreeing that your story is 100 percent accurate, are you looking for?</p>
<p>SHAFFER:<br />
The ultimate goal is what created this whole event to begin with. The intent of Congressman Weldon, and the Army and maybe the leadership was to re-create this [data mining] capability.</p>
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