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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/717/comment-page-1#comment-1115</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little Red Riding Hood pulled the bobbin, and the door opened. 

The wolf, seeing her come in, said to her, hiding himself under the bedclothes, &quot;Put the cake and the little pot of butter upon the stool, and come get into bed with me.&quot; 

Little Red Riding Hood took off her clothes and got into bed. She was greatly amazed to see how her grandmother looked in her nightclothes, and said to her, &quot;Grandmother, what big arms you have!&quot; 

&quot;All the better to hug you with, my dear.&quot; 

&quot;Grandmother, what big legs you have!&quot; 

&quot;All the better to run with, my child.&quot; 

&quot;Grandmother, what big ears you have!&quot; 

&quot;All the better to hear with, my child.&quot; 

&quot;Grandmother, what big eyes you have!&quot; 

&quot;All the better to see with, my child.&quot; 

&quot;Grandmother, what big teeth you have got!&quot; 

&quot;All the better to eat you up with.&quot; 

And, saying these words, this wicked wolf fell upon Little Red Riding Hood, and ate her all up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little Red Riding Hood pulled the bobbin, and the door opened. </p>
<p>The wolf, seeing her come in, said to her, hiding himself under the bedclothes, &#8220;Put the cake and the little pot of butter upon the stool, and come get into bed with me.&#8221; </p>
<p>Little Red Riding Hood took off her clothes and got into bed. She was greatly amazed to see how her grandmother looked in her nightclothes, and said to her, &#8220;Grandmother, what big arms you have!&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;All the better to hug you with, my dear.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Grandmother, what big legs you have!&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;All the better to run with, my child.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Grandmother, what big ears you have!&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;All the better to hear with, my child.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Grandmother, what big eyes you have!&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;All the better to see with, my child.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Grandmother, what big teeth you have got!&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;All the better to eat you up with.&#8221; </p>
<p>And, saying these words, this wicked wolf fell upon Little Red Riding Hood, and ate her all up.</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/717/comment-page-1#comment-1113</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJStrata claims his (cough, sniff) &quot;respect and faith&quot; in the Pentagon is shattered because the Pentagon has trumped up charges against Shaffer.

There is no evidence that the Pentagon has charged Shaffer with pen stealing.  They have not ever said they did this.

Shafffer&#039;s lawyer is CLAIMING this.  The  AP reporter who wrote the story is posted on a website called &quot;US Labor Against the War.&quot;

Hardly what I&#039;d call a credible source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJStrata claims his (cough, sniff) &#8220;respect and faith&#8221; in the Pentagon is shattered because the Pentagon has trumped up charges against Shaffer.</p>
<p>There is no evidence that the Pentagon has charged Shaffer with pen stealing.  They have not ever said they did this.</p>
<p>Shafffer&#8217;s lawyer is CLAIMING this.  The  AP reporter who wrote the story is posted on a website called &#8220;US Labor Against the War.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hardly what I&#8217;d call a credible source.</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/717/comment-page-1#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this site, US Labor Against the War,  [OCT 1] carries Kimberly Hefling:
 
http://uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?&amp;list=classt&amp;type=3&amp;class=3&amp;all=1&amp;nointro=1


Here is the article they post by her: &quot;Congressman: Defense knew 9/11 hijackers&quot;
http://uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?&amp;list=classt&amp;type=3&amp;class=3&amp;all=1&amp;nointro=1

These leftist sites are promoting the lie that the Bush Administration facilitated 9-11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this site, US Labor Against the War,  [OCT 1] carries Kimberly Hefling:</p>
<p><a href="http://uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?&#038;list=classt&#038;type=3&#038;class=3&#038;all=1&#038;nointro=1" rel="nofollow">http://uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?&#038;list=classt&#038;type=3&#038;class=3&#038;all=1&#038;nointro=1</a></p>
<p>Here is the article they post by her: &#8220;Congressman: Defense knew 9/11 hijackers&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?&#038;list=classt&#038;type=3&#038;class=3&#038;all=1&#038;nointro=1" rel="nofollow">http://uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?&#038;list=classt&#038;type=3&#038;class=3&#038;all=1&#038;nointro=1</a></p>
<p>These leftist sites are promoting the lie that the Bush Administration facilitated 9-11.</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/717/comment-page-1#comment-1111</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked back to the WP article and the author is actually an AP writer. Here it is on AP at Yahoo.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sept11_hijackers

So you can ask By KIMBERLY HEFLING, Associated Press Writer what the AP saw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked back to the WP article and the author is actually an AP writer. Here it is on AP at Yahoo.<br />
<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sept11_hijackers" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sept11_hijackers</a></p>
<p>So you can ask By KIMBERLY HEFLING, Associated Press Writer what the AP saw.</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You write, &quot;For your claim to be right the reporters would have been shown a sheet of paper with no header, to/from, date, etc. and bought it as real. &quot;

Really?  Only if I  think  that Mary Mapes is now an AP stringer.

I naturally assume someone made sure that the documents  were professionally prepared and had the appropriate, header, a date, a to/from, etc.  Of course, I haven&#039;t seen them.  Have you?

CBS 60 Minutes fell for the fabricated &quot;Rathergate/Memogate&quot; documents about Bush.  And they had computer-generated copies from Kinkos.  Burkett didn&#039;t just flash the papers at Mary Mapes. 

I am holding out for the Kinko&#039;s copies. And the sound of Rumsfeld&#039;s other  shoe dropping at the Pentagon.

So yes.   The authenticity of the documents Mark Zaid is flashing to the AP has not been established.   Shaffer hangs out with Weldon, who gets his intelligence from people the CIA characterize as fabricators, and writes ludicrous books. 

I have seen  people tell reporters they had &quot;secret tapes&quot; and the reporters wrote down what the source claimed the tape said without ever listening to the tape. 

AP could be anyone.  Who saw these documents? How did he authenticate them? Did Zaid give the AP reporter a copy of the documents? You might start by getting the original AP article.

The Pentagon is NOT commenting on Shaffer. That means if someone asks, they don&#039;t comment.  To deny the authenticity of the papers that Zaid showed to the AP would be commenting.  These purported Pentagon documents are not published anywhere.  Zaid showed them to the AP.  

None of this stuff is authenticated. 

Here is TIME on Weldon&#039;s fudging:

&quot;In a particularly dramatic scene in Weldonâ€™s book, Countdown to Terror, the Pennsylvania Republican described personally handing to then-Deputy National Security Adviser Steve Hadley, just after Sept. 11, an Able Danger chart produced in 1999 identifying Atta. But Weldon told TIME heâ€™s no longer certain Attaâ€™s name was on that original document. The congressman says he handed Hadley his only copy. Still, last week he referred reporters to a recently reconstructed version of the chart in his office where, among dozens of names and photos of terrorists from around the world, there was a color mug shot of Mohammad Atta, circled in black marker.&quot; 
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/
0,8599,1093694,00.html

Weldon&#039;s  story is one of the dumbest stories I ever heard.  How could Weldon have an original Able Danger chart right after 9-11 and &quot;forget&quot; if M. Atta was on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You write, &#8220;For your claim to be right the reporters would have been shown a sheet of paper with no header, to/from, date, etc. and bought it as real. &#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  Only if I  think  that Mary Mapes is now an AP stringer.</p>
<p>I naturally assume someone made sure that the documents  were professionally prepared and had the appropriate, header, a date, a to/from, etc.  Of course, I haven&#8217;t seen them.  Have you?</p>
<p>CBS 60 Minutes fell for the fabricated &#8220;Rathergate/Memogate&#8221; documents about Bush.  And they had computer-generated copies from Kinkos.  Burkett didn&#8217;t just flash the papers at Mary Mapes. </p>
<p>I am holding out for the Kinko&#8217;s copies. And the sound of Rumsfeld&#8217;s other  shoe dropping at the Pentagon.</p>
<p>So yes.   The authenticity of the documents Mark Zaid is flashing to the AP has not been established.   Shaffer hangs out with Weldon, who gets his intelligence from people the CIA characterize as fabricators, and writes ludicrous books. </p>
<p>I have seen  people tell reporters they had &#8220;secret tapes&#8221; and the reporters wrote down what the source claimed the tape said without ever listening to the tape. </p>
<p>AP could be anyone.  Who saw these documents? How did he authenticate them? Did Zaid give the AP reporter a copy of the documents? You might start by getting the original AP article.</p>
<p>The Pentagon is NOT commenting on Shaffer. That means if someone asks, they don&#8217;t comment.  To deny the authenticity of the papers that Zaid showed to the AP would be commenting.  These purported Pentagon documents are not published anywhere.  Zaid showed them to the AP.  </p>
<p>None of this stuff is authenticated. </p>
<p>Here is TIME on Weldon&#8217;s fudging:</p>
<p>&#8220;In a particularly dramatic scene in Weldonâ€™s book, Countdown to Terror, the Pennsylvania Republican described personally handing to then-Deputy National Security Adviser Steve Hadley, just after Sept. 11, an Able Danger chart produced in 1999 identifying Atta. But Weldon told TIME heâ€™s no longer certain Attaâ€™s name was on that original document. The congressman says he handed Hadley his only copy. Still, last week he referred reporters to a recently reconstructed version of the chart in his office where, among dozens of names and photos of terrorists from around the world, there was a color mug shot of Mohammad Atta, circled in black marker.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/</a><br />
0,8599,1093694,00.html</p>
<p>Weldon&#8217;s  story is one of the dumbest stories I ever heard.  How could Weldon have an original Able Danger chart right after 9-11 and &#8220;forget&#8221; if M. Atta was on it?</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snapple, 

Don&#039;t you think the reporters  (a) noted the source of the letter, (b) checked out the source of the letter?  You are truly grasping here. For your claim to be right the reporters would have been shown a sheet of paper with no header, to/from, date, etc. and bought it as real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snapple, </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think the reporters  (a) noted the source of the letter, (b) checked out the source of the letter?  You are truly grasping here. For your claim to be right the reporters would have been shown a sheet of paper with no header, to/from, date, etc. and bought it as real.</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/717/comment-page-1#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The breathless lemmings who write about &quot;Able Danger&quot; are all racing to repeat these claims about the trivial pen-stealing charges that the Pentagon has ALLEGEDLY filed against Shaffer.

I just point out that these allegations are only  &quot;according to&quot; paperwork shown by Shaffer&#039;s  attorney Mark Zaid to The Associated Press. 

Does anyone want to slow down long enough to notice that the Pentagon hasn&#039;t actually commented on Zaid&#039;s claims?  Where are there any Pentagon sources quoted saying that Shaffer stole pens  in this article?  THERE AREN&#039;T ANY!

Here is the only official source the WP used:
&quot;Citing concerns with the privacy act, Cmdr. Terry Sutherland, a Defense Intelligence Agency spokesman, declined to release ANY INFORMATION on Shaffer.&quot;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/30/AR2005093000117.html

The WP does say that &quot;The military revoked Shaffer&#039;s top security clearance this month, a day before he was supposed to testify to a congressional committee.&quot;  No source is cited for that. 

Has the Pentagon directly told the WP or any news media that it revoked Shaffer&#039;s clearance? What is the source for that?

Just pointing out a few facts.  But I don&#039;t suppose anyone EVER fabricates military documents in America.  Naw! That never happened in the history of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The breathless lemmings who write about &#8220;Able Danger&#8221; are all racing to repeat these claims about the trivial pen-stealing charges that the Pentagon has ALLEGEDLY filed against Shaffer.</p>
<p>I just point out that these allegations are only  &#8220;according to&#8221; paperwork shown by Shaffer&#8217;s  attorney Mark Zaid to The Associated Press. </p>
<p>Does anyone want to slow down long enough to notice that the Pentagon hasn&#8217;t actually commented on Zaid&#8217;s claims?  Where are there any Pentagon sources quoted saying that Shaffer stole pens  in this article?  THERE AREN&#8217;T ANY!</p>
<p>Here is the only official source the WP used:<br />
&#8220;Citing concerns with the privacy act, Cmdr. Terry Sutherland, a Defense Intelligence Agency spokesman, declined to release ANY INFORMATION on Shaffer.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/30/AR2005093000117.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/30/AR2005093000117.html</a></p>
<p>The WP does say that &#8220;The military revoked Shaffer&#8217;s top security clearance this month, a day before he was supposed to testify to a congressional committee.&#8221;  No source is cited for that. </p>
<p>Has the Pentagon directly told the WP or any news media that it revoked Shaffer&#8217;s clearance? What is the source for that?</p>
<p>Just pointing out a few facts.  But I don&#8217;t suppose anyone EVER fabricates military documents in America.  Naw! That never happened in the history of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: BurbankErnie</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/717/comment-page-1#comment-1104</link>
		<dc:creator>BurbankErnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! I was taking advantage of my ineptitude. I do not know how long he has been &quot;on the job&quot; or his age for that matter. 
Literary License as Joe Wilson calls lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! I was taking advantage of my ineptitude. I do not know how long he has been &#8220;on the job&#8221; or his age for that matter.<br />
Literary License as Joe Wilson calls lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Juliette</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/717/comment-page-1#comment-1103</link>
		<dc:creator>Juliette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 01:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not thirty years, Ernie.  Not unless the good LTC started when he was twelve. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not thirty years, Ernie.  Not unless the good LTC started when he was twelve. <img src='http://strata-sphere.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BurbankErnie</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/717/comment-page-1#comment-1099</link>
		<dc:creator>BurbankErnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey now. Sandy &quot;The Tool&quot; Berger did too get bitchslapped. He got his Sec. Clearance pulled.... for three years.

Boys and Girls, welcome to Politics, where no one does the time for their crime. Get the Senate involved??? They already &lt;strike&gt;are&lt;/strike&gt; were. How soon we forget. Poor Schaffer basically gets booted from working in his profession of 30 years, and all he got was these stupid Pentagon Pens.

Life, as well as the wheels of Govt., roll on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey now. Sandy &#8220;The Tool&#8221; Berger did too get bitchslapped. He got his Sec. Clearance pulled&#8230;. for three years.</p>
<p>Boys and Girls, welcome to Politics, where no one does the time for their crime. Get the Senate involved??? They already <strike>are</strike> were. How soon we forget. Poor Schaffer basically gets booted from working in his profession of 30 years, and all he got was these stupid Pentagon Pens.</p>
<p>Life, as well as the wheels of Govt., roll on.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juliette, I hear you.

They should have just walked away.   Pens!

How about we all donate some pens to the PENtagon so they don&#039;t have to be so hard on Shaffer.

(why am I thinking &#039;Schaffer Pens&#039;????)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juliette, I hear you.</p>
<p>They should have just walked away.   Pens!</p>
<p>How about we all donate some pens to the PENtagon so they don&#8217;t have to be so hard on Shaffer.</p>
<p>(why am I thinking &#8216;Schaffer Pens&#8217;????)</p>
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		<title>By: Juliette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juliette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just when I think I&#039;m out, they pull me back in!  

Pens?!!!! This stuff is moronic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when I think I&#8217;m out, they pull me back in!  </p>
<p>Pens?!!!! This stuff is moronic.</p>
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		<title>By: baldilocks</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Danger Able Danger&lt;/strong&gt;

Okay, Captain Ed and AJ Strata, Iâ€™m convinced. The Pentagon is trying to hide something in regard to the Able Danger situation, because this is just pathetic:Shaffer says he received a Bronze Star medal for work on a classified operation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Danger Able Danger</strong></p>
<p>Okay, Captain Ed and AJ Strata, Iâ€™m convinced. The Pentagon is trying to hide something in regard to the Able Danger situation, because this is just pathetic:Shaffer says he received a Bronze Star medal for work on a classified operation</p>
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