Nov 17 2008

Tired Old Guard Of “True” Conservatives Tries To Stop Palin

Published by at 8:36 am under All General Discussions

There is old rot in the GOP and conservative movement. It is the same old rot that took GOP Congressional majorities and a GOP White House in 2004 and was able to completely destroy the GOP and conservative brand in a mere 4 years, handing over Congress and the Dems to liberal democrats (on the wins of conservative democrats in most congressional races). 

I used to wonder at the Democrats and their love of Bill Clinton, who accomplished the same transfer of power under his administration. The difference between Bush and Clinton is, of course, the fact Clinton and the dems overstepped and allowed a GOP sweep of Congress. Which the GOP frittered away over the years.

Now the old rot of ‘true’ conservatives wants to hold onto their death grip on the GOP and conservative movement. But to do so they need to attack one of the biggest breathes of fresh air the GOP has seen since Ronald Reagan – Governor Sarah Palin:

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) is batting down the hype that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin heads into 2012 as the frontrunner for the GOP presidential nomination.

Palin energized the Republican base after GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) tapped her as his running mate and she has tried to preserve her high public profile since Election Day.

“I think that she is going to be a significant player,” said Gingrich during an interview on CBS’s “Face the Nation”. “But she’s going to be one of 20 or 30 significant players. She’s not going to be the de facto leader.”

This is the kind of garbage that sinks the GOP. Palin energized the broader conservative coalition, not just ‘the base’. And Palin was wrongfully made out to be some kind of religious nut who pushes ‘values’ on others through government. She is not and does not. Palin is the kind of leader who can build a broad coalition, and Gingrich is pontificating from his past laurels. 

There is only one real leader out there that can raise crowds and appeal across the conservative enclaves, pulling in moderate and conservative democrats, independents and others. Sarah Palin is what the GOP needs, and those who oppose her AND come from the failed wing of the GOP should just sit back and let the people decide who will challenge the democrats.

And I don’t think we will be looking to DC for new leaders. I think we have plenty of talent out in the country and in the governorships to find people to bring fresh blood to DC. In 4 years, when America is fed up with liberal policies, the GOP can’t offer them stale options and ideas. It’s time for the GOP to be the party of The American Family.

20 responses so far

20 Responses to “Tired Old Guard Of “True” Conservatives Tries To Stop Palin”

  1. Huan says:

    Beyond having the right message, we also need the right messenger. As of this moment no other fit this than Palin. Yes she is a polarizing figure, and this speaks to the clear difference she represents. Yes she does have high unfavorable rating but this too shall pass.

  2. Plumb Bob says:

    You’ve misread this one pretty badly, I’m afraid. Gingrich was not dissing Gov. Palin, he was simply pointing out the reality that there are a number of other rising stars in the conservative movement that will join her at the top of the heap. Bobby Jindal and Mark Sanford come to mind immediately, but there are quite a few others.

    Newt Gingrich is the strategist who engineered the 1994 takeover of the House, and the highly successful Contract With America. He’s also the strategist who engineered this year’s “Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less,” arguably the only publicly-noticed conservative win in the past 2 years. I’ve not seen anybody in the conservative movement with his capacity to grasp strategic concepts. His opinion is not to be ignored.

  3. dave m says:

    It may not matter:

    Al Qaeda says order given for US attack “far bigger than 9/11”

    DEBKAfile Updates DEBKA-Net-Weekly Exclusive

    November 16, 2008, 11:11 AM (GMT+02:00)
    Osama bin Laden plans to test Barack Obama like two former US presidents

    DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources report that US president-elect Barack Obama, European and Russian heads of state in Washington for the G20 conference over the weekend were briefed about a probable early al Qaeda attack.

    DEBKA-Net-Weekly 372 of Nov. 14 disclosed that al Qaeda’s Yemen base, a reliable barometer for Osama bin Laden’s schemes, issued a Directive to All Fighters in Arabia on Nov. 9 presaging a major operation in the United States that will “change the political and economic world” and be “far bigger than 9/11.”

    Of course, CP and AJ say that debka is worthless as a source
    forecasting the near future!!!!!

    A moment of irony may be in order.

    It would seem to be possible that the calculus of the 2010 election
    is an unknown unknown, D. Rumsfeld might have said.

    Let alone 2012, by which time I expect Obama to no longer be available
    as a candidate to run, he’ll be somewhere in a high security prison.
    Impersonating eligibility to run for office of the President is a felony.
    This dude has no chance.

  4. Mike M. says:

    Sorry, AJ, but Newt is right. And he’s not trying to stop Palin, he’s merely pointing out that she is only one of several top candidates.

    Is Gov. Palin on the short list of Top Republican Leaders (and 2012 Presidential candidates)? Definitely.

    Is she the ONLY name on the list? Definitely not. Bobby Jindal, in particular, has a solid shot. Mark Sanford. Haley Barbour. Even Jeb Bush, if history rehabilitates W in time.

    Conservatism cannot afford to be a personality cult. If it is to mean anything, it must be a message that stands apart from the messenger.

  5. AJStrata says:

    Plumb Bob,

    I did not miss this at all. Gingrich is trying to down play Palin so the old guard still has some window of opportunity. The fact is Palin draws crowds and interest and money. There is no reason not to designate her the front runner and simply add that there will be other options available.

    Newt is one of many who really do not want Palin to be the center of the new GOP. Trust me, he chose his words carefully to begin the process of sowing doubt and division.

    Same old, same old.

  6. AJStrata says:

    Mike M,

    Jindal? LOL! The guy cannot draw crowds or interest like Palin. Forget about other alternatives. Until they can draw crowds like Palin, or garner the top viewed national debates like Palin did they are just not in the running.

    Reality check – who knows Jindal outside LA and the GOP? No one. Want to lose another election, go with Jindal.

    The reason is quite simple and obvious. Palin’s army of supporters will use her as a litmus test on the GOP to see if the GOP is ready to get out of their rut and listen to The People instead of the special interests in DC. Go against Palin and her supporters will determine the GOP is just not ready.

  7. Frogg says:

    AJ’s got Palin fever.

    I like her too, but Newt is right. She is clearly a player in the future. However, she will have to earn it on her own.

    And, AJ, no one knew who Palin was before the election either. No one knew who Huckabee was before the primary (he’s a star with his own tv show now). People will know who Jindal is soon enough…..and, the primary election brings a lot of unknowns to the surface.

    Palin touches me also. When she talks about America….she describes the country as I see it. She is very Reaganesque in many ways. Some would also consider her to be a “true conservative” of the “new guard”. I also think a “Palin campaign” would be much better run, more on message, better organized, better energized than a McCain campaign.

    I am a bigger Jindal fan than a Palin fan. I would rather see Jindal run for President, and Palin for Senator for the time being….or, a Jindal/Palin ticket. The next four years may change my mind.

    2008 wasn’t the “year of the moderate”; and 2012 won’t be the “year of the Palin”. However, Palin clearly has a seat at the table.

    I’m more disappointed at the sniping by the Republican governors of Palin getting all the media attention at their last meeting on the future of the RNC than I am by what Newt said.

  8. crosspatch says:

    dave m, that news isn’t exclusive of Debka. Just about every media source on the planet has been reporting similar news for a couple of weeks now.

    I suppose you hadn’t yet found Debka when they were waiving their arms and hollering about an imminent US attack on Iran. And don’t get me started on their “exclusive” reporting on operations that never happened. Every time the US sends a carrier to the gulf, Debka claims they know for sure that this time we are going to attack Iran. It gets old after while.

  9. dhunter says:

    After 4 years of RINOs helping the Dems pass Global warming baloney, blocking any sources of domestic energy production, coal, oil, natural gas, taxing the hell out of large corporations then confiscating taxpayer funds to bail them out, the country will be more than ready for a breath of fresh air from the north , one with real energy solutions.
    Sarah will have the added benefit of being able to say, see I told you so, here in Alaska we are ready to contribute!
    Palin/Plumber 2012

    Citizen legislators not careerist inside the beltway lawyers. The country will be ready to lynch them!

  10. Birdalone says:

    You can learn from the first DINO to win in NYC’s 13CD since 1978:

    “…Mr. McMahon, 51, the newest member of New York City’s Congressional delegation, is largely seen as a moderate who is not particularly wedded to the right or the left. In fact, many of his colleagues in the Council say he is more of a pragmatist who is less concerned with political philosophy than with evaluating issues case by case.

    His lopsided victory against that Republican rival, former Assemblyman Robert A. Straniere, in the general election — he won nearly two-thirds of the vote — has catapulted Mr. McMahon into the position of leading elected official on Staten Island, where the district is anchored, and landed him squarely on a national political stage. And as more New Yorkers — and Washington politicians — get to know him, they will encounter a politician who is seen as fitting comfortably in the center. …”

    This is the kind of pragmatic, relevant centrist that Governors Crist, Palin, and Pawlenty, (and Rep Eric Cantor in today’s Washington Times) are trying to get the GOP to acknowledge.

    Ideological rigidity can only go so far, on either side of the spectrum.

    What I am reading here is not about centrism.

    Palin is 44. She was so unfairly trashed by the media and the intellectual conservatives that I suspect she will need more than four years of substance to undo the damage.
    I hope to see Gov. Palin take a leadership role in the Arctic Nations Group, which will help her international credentials while she secures her energy credentials and economic growth credentials during a second term as governor of Alaska.

    For 2012, keep your eye on the new Senator from Nebraska, Mike Johann, former governor and pragmatic SecAg under Bush43. Watch his committee assignments. Will he get Foreign Relations and/or Armed Services? Bob Corkerof TN has been very strong on the Foreign Relations Committee.

    will Mike Huckabee take on Blanche Lincoln for her Senate seat in 2010?

    Think outside the box.

  11. GuyFawkes says:

    “There is only one real leader out there that can raise crowds and appeal across the conservative enclaves, pulling in moderate and conservative democrats, independents and others.”

    This statement confuses me. I totally agree with the first part: yes, she can raise a crowd (although wasn’t the GOP attacking Obama for that not too long ago, with the “world’s biggest celebrity” thing?), and the base loves her.

    But – what have you seen that gives any indication she can pull in any democrats or independents? Do you have a single (recent) poll that supports that?

    And if she was such a help to the ticket – what state did McCain/Palin win that McCain would not have won without her? What parts of Indiana, Ohio, PA, FLA, Missouri, Nevada and Colorado did she “excite”?

    To me, she represents the worst of the GOP – the religious, anti-science, anti-intellectual wing that AJ normally rails against. I really do not understand the support for her – what is she going to do that could possibly get her to pick up 270 electoral votes in 2012?

  12. AJStrata says:


    You fell for the media spin on Palin. Now try and think independently about Palin. She never once tried to impose any religion based policies on Alaskans.

    If you are a dupe of the media there is no way I or anyone else can help you.

    And yes, there is tons of evidence that Palin drew from across the spectrum. First off, realize how McCain Palin lost – the far right stayed home. Which means everyone to the left of them came out in droves.

    Do you know who the PUMAs are? They support Palin. Look if you don’t want to see what is in front of your face you will not see what is happening.

    Palin’s debate with Biden drew the largest TV audience of any of the debates this year. And that same debate was the most watched in history. That is drawing power like no one else in the nation outside Obama.

    When she was on the stump her crowds were enormous, McCain’s were nowhere near as big when he was on his own. Those are facts.

  13. GuyFawkes says:


    I try not to be the “dupe” of anything, thank you. What I am, is skeptical – and I try to be equally skeptical of both sides of the political divides. Just because something is stated here, or the Daily Kos, does not mean I believe it. I simply ask for proof.

    I recognize that the media coverage of Palin has been ridiculous. But, I put the blame for that partly on the media, partly on the McCain/Palin staff, and partly on Palin herself.

    For example, the whole “shopping spree” fiasco was ridiculous. I’m not convinced Palin had a single thing to do with that herself – it looks to me like a couple of staffers made some really bad decisions, and it caused a huge embarrassment. Likewise, the Charlie Gibson “Bush Doctrine” issue was also blown completely out of proportion.

    But, I’ve had a hard time taking Palin seriously since the Couric interview. Even you have to admit – she came out of that very badly. She simply was unprepared for any follow-up questions, and she was asked nothing that a candidate for national office should have been able to handle.

    You made a lot of statements in this last comment about who she appeals to, and why they lost. What I am asking from you is, where are the numbers? Where is the proof that backs up your statements?

  14. Redteam says:

    As of today, I think both Palin and Jindal will be the frontrunners in ’12, I’m not sure which order, but either will be fine.

  15. KauaiBoy says:

    While she did an excellent job in inspiring Americans to look at the problem of Washington inbreeding, her strength as a candidate was based on how weak McCain came across. I don’t think a relative unknown can rise to such a level of power and responsibility—at least without the help of the MSM. And the machine she will be battling against is very engrained and quite content with even limited power as long as it keeps them from working at real jobs.

    What this country needs is the moderate independent party to throw out the existing miscreants and start all over.

  16. tarpon says:

    Tired old guard is just tired and old, needs to roll over and leave the stage. By 2012 the media will be no more, after they gave their all this election cycle. Even a bailout won’t help, as GM is finding out, you actually need customers.

    Real change comes outside Washington, there is nothing about the Senate, or any Senator that says change. Obamunism has already been tried, and failed in the Soviet Union. Yeah I know, leftists have a fondness for the old ways, but they have to let go.

    The best America can hope for is the duh-Bama recession doesn’t turn into the duh-Bama depression, following FDR’s lead. If you hear the words “New Deal II” we’re cooked.

    Sarah 2012, she’s a winner. I just hope she has the sense to not pick a ‘Biden clone” as running mate. BTW, anyone know hat rock they hide Biden under? Is it the same rock Michelle lives under?

  17. Terrye says:

    The GOP needs to attract new voters and young voters and Palin is far more likely to do that than Gingrich.

    And Palin has governed Alaska like a centrist in terms of social policy, she is not telling people how to live their lives or anything of the kind.

  18. Klimt says:


    I think it is time you go see a doctor. You are way too emotional. Newt said she was going to be one of the top contenders but out of many. What has sent you into a rage? Calm down.

    One thing about AJ is he is very obstinate and close minded. He has chosen Palin for 2012 and every conservative better agree with him — or they will be labeled far right or “true”, part of the old and dead GOP.

    With my open mind, AJ, I have never seen such a powerful array of conservatives coming to the fore. There is something I like in each of them. I could handle Palin without complaint. She is just not someone I particularly admire outside of her charisma. She is too evasive, she lacks a rigorous understanding of economics, foreign policy, and the world — from what I’ve seen so far. The stuff I look for in a leader in addition to having an element of ruthlessness about them. Someone who tells you exactly how they feel (one of Bush’s virtues).

    I think its best to keep an open mind with all candidates. And if Obama does well, I may just pull the trigger for him.

  19. OLDPUPPYMAX says:

    Far too many are concerned about Palins seeming lack of ability to “pull in democrats.” It was conservatives who crossed over from the democratic party to vote for Ronald Reagan. And it is conservatives Palin has the ability to attract. McCain and other RINO types have already made the blunder of trying to appeal to “moderates” (what ever in the hell they actually are/believe) and liberal democrats. The party sold out the American people and the nation in its attempt to turn these can’t-make-up-their-mind “intellectuals” or dedicated big government worshippers into republican voters. And AJ is right. Newt has too many DC buddies to give Palin the spotlight. Newts conservative agenda disappeared years ago. His is now a “republican” agenda and we’ve seen how successful that has been in the past couple of elections. For far too many of those republicans belong in the other party.

  20. rayabacus says:

    I’m late to the party and I’m not sure that this is any longer topical here….but I’m going ahead anyway.

    I think that Newt is, in fact, downgrading Palin, just as many so called conservatives have been doing. If Palin continues to stay in the spotlight and make her conservative “bones” as I anticipate she will, she will be almost impossible to take off of the top spot. It will be hers to accept or decline.

    The rabid radical left will continue to hate her and be very vocal about that hate…lots of press. What most people don’t realize is that she pulled a lot of Dem voters over and some conservative moderates..but she just couldn’t drag that three legged pony across the finish line….I’m not sure any could have.

    What Palin personifies is the conservative principles of small government, fiscal responsibility, individual freedom and responsibility, strong national defense and a common sense foreign policy. Those are winning positions…they win elections.

    She also has tremendous blue collar support…she is “people” and people relate to her and she owes no one so she can continue to be that “Maverick” (I’ve come to hate that word)