Dec 13 2008
The Obama Administration Is Now Damaged Goods, Obama Lied To America
Update: A consensus is brewing about Obama’s pending troubles – see here, here, here and here.
Major Update Below!
The big dominos seem to be falling already, less than a week from the news breaking. I simply cannot fathom the damage Barack Obama and Rahm Emmanuel have done to their incoming administration, a month before it takes office. But I do know they dealt hit a critical blow this week. Barack Obama has just been exposed as a liar to the American people. He lied to us in a manner that puts him in the same league as Bill Clinton, Senator Ted Stevens, Senator Robert Torricelli, Rep Randy “Duke” Cunningham and Rep William Jefferson. We have yet to know what, if any, crimes Obama has committed. But the fact is this week he went out and lied straight to the American people. He tried to cover his tracks.
Here is the lie, which caught my eye because of the phrasing Obama was using during his press conference on Daschle’s appointment:
“I had no contact with the governor’s office. I did not speak to the governor about these issues. That I know for certain.”
It is a lie because now we know Obama’s Chief of Staff provided Blagojevich Obama’s list of candidates he thought should fill his seat. The news broke last night:
Another source said that contact between the Obama camp and the governor’s administration regarding the Senate seat began the Saturday before the Nov. 4 election, when Emanuel made a call to the cell phone of Harris. The conversation took place around the same time press reports surfaced about Emanuel being approached about taking the high-level White House post should Obama win.
Emanuel delivered a list of candidates who would be “acceptable” to Obama, the source said. On the list were Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett, Illinois Veterans Affairs director Tammy Duckworth, state Comptroller Dan Hynes and U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Chicago, the source said. All are Democrats.
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Sometime after the election, Emanuel called Harris back to add the name of Democratic Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan to the approved list, the source said.
Emphasis mine. Does Senator Obama really think the American people care about the parsing of ‘talked’ verses ’sent my list of candidates through my Chief of Staff’? Come on! Who gave the list to Emmanuel? Obama of course! It was Obama’s list of candidates Blagojevich was working with. OMG – are these people morons?
Barack Obama, the next President of the United States, just wagged his finger into the camera and said “I had no conversations with that Governor, Blagojevich, on the candidates for my senate seat’. Of course sending the list of candidates through Emmanual doesn’t somehow count as ‘conversation’.
Obama won the election by gaining the trust of the majority of the voters. He was preparing to take office with the added trust of many like me who were willing to give him a chance to prove us wrong. There are no perfect politicians. I was more than willing to give Obama a shot. But his followers were living a dream come true – or so they thought.
I will not be lied to and right now my view of Obama is totally shattered. But my blowback on Obama is going to be mild compared to all those true believers who voted for ‘change we can believe in’. The entire Obama administration is now in a shambles because it’s load bearing characteristic has failed in a devastating manner. Obama is not only just like all other pols, he is inexperienced klutz as well.
Obama could not trust the American people to simply tell them he exchanged information with Blagojevich on the matter of the vacant senate seat. All of us would have been shocked at his ineptitude if he hadn’t been pre-planning his transition. But Obama failed America by failing to trust us with obvious details. So he lied and tried sell the idea his ‘office’ had nothing to do with ‘the issue’ (his office of course being his senate office, not his transition team).
And it may get worse. As I noted previously, when reviewing the infamous November 10, 2008 conference call, there were some counter offers from team Obama to team Blagojevich to try and tone down the quid pro quo, to make it less apparent to the public. The first one listed in the criminal complaint covers a two year ‘quiet period’ so that the connection of the quid pro quo to the senate seat would not be so damn obvious. The Team Obama proposal got a big response out of Blagojevich:
[statement 6] ROD BLAGOJEVICH said that the consultants (Advisor B and another consultant are believed to be on the call at that time) are telling him that he has to “suck it up” for two years and do nothing and give this “motherfucker [the President-elect] his senator. Fuck him. For nothing? Fuck him.”
Note he is not saying ‘get nothing’ forever, he is complaining about getting nothing for two years. This delaying tactic comes up later in the conference call as well, when discussing what seems to be the final solution, a three-way deal with the SEIU and a golden parachute job for Blagojevich and/or his wife:
[statement 8] HARRIS re-stated ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s thoughts that they should ask the President-elect for something for ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s financial security as well as maintain his political viability. HARRIS said they could work out a three-way deal with SEIU and the President-elect where SEIU could help the President-elect with ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s appointment of Senate Candidate 1 to the vacant Senate seat, ROD BLAGOJEVICH would obtain a position as the National Director of the Change to Win campaign, and SEIU would get something favorable from the President-elect in the future.
…[Gap 5]…
[statement 9] One of ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s advisors said he likes the idea, it sounds like a good idea, but advised ROD BLAGOJEVICH to be leery of promises for something two years from now.
…[Gap 6]…
[statement 10] ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s wife said they would take the job now.
…[Gap 7]…
[statement 11] Thereafter, ROD BLAGOJEVICH and others on the phone call discussed various ways ROD BLAGOJEVICH can “monetize” the relationships he is making as Governor to make money after ROD BLAGOJEVICH is no longer Governor.
If Team Obama proposed a delaying tactic to make any payback more stealthy, they are in trouble. If, as the last statement appears to indicate, they agreed on an even more stealthy plan using the SEIU it would be worse. We don’t know how deep Team Obama got into the muck, but we do know they were in it. And for Obama to claim the opposite was probably the biggest crime of all.
He had America’s trust, but could not trust America to deal with the obvious aspects of government. He tried to spin a fantasy picture and he is going to be exposed as a charlatan. And when he tries to spin his facade as The One, with answers of hope and change for America, it will all now be seen by many as a lame joke.
This is what many of us feared from the neophyte, from the Junior Senator from Illinois. The man is inept. I, like many, are going to be going out and get those ‘don’t blame me, I voted McCain-Palin’ stickers. Obama has completely and utterly bungled this matter. His credibility is now shot. He has bungled so many things (Iraq to name an obvious one), but this one is probably the worst because he made fools of his most ardent followers. They can no longer claim he is The One, that he will fix politics, that he is different. It really is a stunning fall.
BTW – Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has just lost all standing in this matter. Now that we know Obama provided her name to Blagojevich via Emmanual she cannot be calling for anything related to this case. She really needs to sit down and be quiet and make sure her name gets cleared. I am not saying she did anything wrong, but for her to put pressure on any of the key players in this could be seen as self serving.
This is such a mess.
Major Update: The yacking pols in Illinois are digging the hole deeper. Just about anyone would agree that controlling who is an allowable candidate for selection to fill Obama’s seat is absolute control over who gets selected. The same story from above notes that Blagojevich could only work from an approved list from Obama, according to one of the candidates and her discussions with Rahm Emmanuel:
Schakowsky also spoke of a conversation she had with Emanuel shortly after he was named chief of staff. She said she called Emanuel “to get some intelligence” on whether Obama might approve of her selection as senator.
“He indicated that the president-elect would be fine with certain people and I was one of them,” Schakowsky said, adding that he did not share the identities of others on the list.
Clearly this indicates Obama had veto power on who could be considered. And since we now know Obama provided Blagojevich the allowable list of candidates it is clear Obama WAS heavily involved in who was selected. No wonder Blagojevich was threatening to seat Jesse Jackson, Jr – he was not on Obama’s list!
Yeah Barack, you had nothing but ‘interest’ in who was selected to fill your seat. You were dictating terms and Blagojevich was dictating terms. That is what we call a ‘negotiation’.
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Best conjecture as to what happened here – Obama and Rahm-bo started out trying to play ball with blah-go, but the demands got too extreme and outrageous so they broke it off. However, they need to duck questions and hide their involvement because it will be very embarrasing (to say the least) when it’s revealed just how far they WERE willing to go.
How could anyone be honestly surprised at this? Chicago is the cesspool of modern American politics, and Obama is the child of that cesspool. Right now he’s trying to convince us that he’s the only virgin in the whorehouse. Fat chance.
MSM will ignore that Obama’s bribe was 2 years out, but Jackson’s was immediate quid pro quo. MSM will say Obama got yelled at with profanities so there was no there there. The denial was pathetic and unnecessary, the lie spontaneous. This is an Obama pattern about any bad news. The guy is in big trouble! Life is going to get much more complicated and he has no idea how to deal with less then a messianic image. The world may not have been happy with Bush policies, but they knew they could take them to the bank. They will never say that about Obama.
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The biggest story here is the politicking of Patrick Fitzgerald. Why did he play his cards at the point that he did? Is there any question that if he had let things play out a while longer that he could have had Jackson, Jr. and Rahm Emanuel at the very least? And God knows who else.
Fitzgerald’s primary objective was to staunch the bleeding before other bad actors inflicted mortal wounds to themselves. Blogjovich (Sp?) was the beginning not the end.
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Barack Obama is a wet-behind-the-ears hack who is doing as he is told. The thing I wonder about is who is really calling the shots with him. Judging from what I am seeing, it looks like several different people are pulling him in different directions and he is engaged in some kind of tapdance to keep them all satisfied.
One screwup and he risks losing all of them.
What Obama appears to be doing isn’t sustainable. A rookie Senator doesn’t come out of nowhere. At least the Kennedy’s were “connected” politically. Obama comes from nowhere. He is someone’s puppet. The ONLY way he could have got to where he is would be for someone to clear the way for him and run interference for him behind the scenes politically.
What scares me is that Obama is nothing in his own right. He is beholden to someone very powerful. I just want to know who that someone is. Who really “runs” Barack Obama?
Imho, soros.
No wonder Oprah has gained 40 pounds…
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The question is, can we sue the Democrat Party for fraud? Knowingly selling a defective product…and using that defective product to sell other products?
Think of the difference it might have made if this news has come out a little sooner.
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GreatBeast, It’s my understandign that Fitzgerarld wanted to bust this thing before the election but was stopped by someone in the Justice Dept. Probaby one of those, “We’re the good guys,you know, the party of speak no evil of the opposition lest we be accused of racism and mud slinging” pseudo modern day enlightened Republicans that infest the federal bureaucry or possibly one of the many Clintonistas who are embedded for life in civil servant jobs where they can control who, when and what is investigated and who is indicted. It appears Fitzgerald knew if he didnt’ expose this scandal before Jan 20, it would be buried like all those Dem investigations that were in progress when Clinton fired all the US attorneys and he and Janet Reno replaced them with Clintonista loyalists. Remember, one of Clinton’s new Fed. attornies dropped the charges against Jimmy Carter’s Atty. Gen, Clark Clifford, for his part in facilitating the looting of US banks (remember BCCI?) by Middle Eastern Potentates who looted US banks and cost US taxpayers billions after they drained the FDIC Ins. program. Fitzgerald only has a few weeks to make this case or it will never be heard of again. It wouldnt’ surprise me if Osama Obama didn’t replace him as soon as he is sworn in and the whole thing will swept under a rug and never be heard of again. After all, all savy politicians know that the public’s memory is about two weeks long.
AJ, you should really have a look at this article by the Chicago Tribune’s John Kass: http://tinyurl.com/6j4et7
It looks at a potential conduit between Rahm Emanuel and Rod Blagojevich through State Senator Jimmy DeLeo, who, Kass argues, is a real kingmaker in Illinois and someone who should be straight out of central casting for The Untouchables.
“Think of the difference it might have made if this news has come out a little sooner.”
Think of the different it might have made if even the same number of Republicans cast a ballot for President as cast one in 2004.
This is much ado about nothing. There is no lie here–certainly given that this site maintained that telling Americans half the truth about WMD’s was not “lying.” Talking to Blogo is not anywhere close to having an aid send a list of desired candidates. Your claim, and the comments following, all seem sadly desperate that this less-than-a-molehill will become a mountain. Mark my word: nothing will come of this and no “dominoes: will fall. Oh, and the “building “consensus” you site is a list of right-wing blogs. Didn’t you notice the last election? That’s not where the consensus matters.
“Obama won the election”… because the media not only didn’t vett the candidate but cheerleaded him to victory and the American electorate was prepared to let their presumed betters tell them how to vote.
Nothing about this guy – from who he worked with to radicalize Chicago schools, to what he heard when he sat in that pew, to how he was going to finance his campaign, to how did finance it, to where he was allegedly born – should be taken at face value.
Nothing.
but was stopped by someone in the Justice Dept. Probaby one of those, “We’re the good guys,you know, the party of speak no evil of the opposition lest we be accused of racism and mud slinging” pseudo modern day enlightened Republicans that infest the federal bureaucry or possibly one of the many Clintonistas who are embedded for life in civil servant jobs where they can control who, when and what is investigated and who is indicted.
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Who knows. I thought it incredible that Bush waited until after the election to tell the American public that the war in Iraq had been won. But then I find it incredible that Bush is going override the Senate vote and flush taxpayers dollars down the UAW black hole which will only delay the inevitable.
I find it incredible that Americans don’t protect their borders and refer to illegal aliens as undocumented as if anyone who asks can obtain the requisite papers.
And I’m still shocked that Americans elected as POTUS someone who advocated conceding Iraq to al Qaeda and Iran and who has never held an executive position, other than the aforementioned school radicalization project.
Mind you, when he proposed a 300 billion mortgage foreclosure prevention bill McCain did prove that he was right when he said he didn’t understand economics.
Obama won, in large part, because some 6 million Republicans who cast a ballot for the office of President in 2004 did not cast one in 2008.
Had they voted, McCain would have won. It is called cutting off one’s nose to spite their face. Republicans elected Obama. Apparently some decided to play “passive aggressive” and “teach people a lesson” or some such idiotic juvenile crap.
But now I have (indirectly via Gateway Pundit) the first explanation that finally makes sense on why the AG, Lisa Madigan, wants to avoid impeachment and is attempting to declare the Gov. “unfit”.
Her father is Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan and in an impeachment trial, they worry that Blogojevich will expose all the deals done with those politicians. She is trying to head off an impeachment trial to keep the dominoes from falling. They are afraid of a “if I am going to go down, I am taking others with me” mentality.
You have no proof. You don’t know anything. And the last two don’t matter to you. As usual.
Actually, there seems to be quite a bit of “proof” that someone in the Obama group was in touch with Blogojevich. When the tapes are played in court, we will be able to determine exactly who it was.
And if the tapes aren’t played, it will be a Nixonian coverup.
So what’s that make it, one lie to Bush/Cheney’s 42,355,267,125?
Please. Stop your whining. Get over it. The GOP is done. Finished. Toast. Karl Rove ruined the party for good – you can do one thing and one thing only – thank him for the mess he created.
Soooo tired of the crybabies who can’t accept that their little 8 years of fun and games are over. Go away. Move to another country. Please. I beg of you.
I’m sorry – did I say Bush/Cheney had lied 42,355,267,125 times? My bad. I meant 42,355,267,325. Forgot to carry the 2. Pathetic fools.
This isn’t even the tip of the iceberg as far as corruption in this election for the president of the USA.
I have carefully read this article to see where Obama has lied but to my greatest amazement, this is just a blackmail of the fact trying to paint it to suit individual/organized opinion thereby discrediting the eligibility of the President Elect. Reading the article, you can adduce that the writer was never an Obama supporter and never even voted for him like he tried to portray himself but it is not the subject of the matter only that I need to point it out for those confused and convinced about the writer.
It is well said and noted that names was submitted to the Governor by the suspect Rahm Emmanuel. I will correct you that sending list of names that might appeal to Obama is not same as negotiating because Obama never offered or promised anything in return considering if as a Governor he has called Emmanuel to suggest to him based on his strained relationship with Obama to suggest names of possible pick that will interest Obama. Again, list was sent without a compelling order or promise in return to the favor if any name on the list was selected. The Governor went as far as indicating that if he picks anyone on Obama list that all he will get is just a gratitude message meaning there was no contractual agreement or negotiation on the seat.
In as much as I do not see Obama as a saint but I do not see him as a devil either. He is just a normal guy with ethic and moral value which resembles none. In effort to discredit him, you made him look like god so that you can spew him at any slight chance you get.
“He indicated that the president-elect would be fine with certain people and I was one of them,” Schakowsky said, adding that he did not share the identities of others on the list.
Clearly this indicates Obama had veto power on who could be considered” Let it be known that in politics we all have our preferred candidate and if list of names was sent, that means there was no specific person but list that will appeal to the President Elect. There was no contract or compelling note to it and it cannot be termed as veto. Again, you noted the list was sent prior to election when Emmanuel has not been appointed.
I know that everyone can’t just love this guy but pls love your country and support your president elect. Acceptable or not, you will agree that he ran the best political campaign ever in history of politics. I know you voted for McCain, but pls stop the spread of hatred. McCain has already accepted his defeat and he is living fine with it so you should do same for the interest of your country.
i think you are making hasty rationalizations !!!!!!!!!!!
“I had no contact with the governor’s office. I did not speak to the governor about these issues. That I know for certain.”
I have to disagree with your assessment of this statement.
With the exactitude of a sleazy lawyer, Obama was absolutely correct. “I” or Obama himself had no direct contact. This is exactly the kind of “word play” that Obama did during the campaign; expect more.
Of course, this does show that you will have to dissect each and every one of his statements for the “exact” meaning, now and in the future.
Did you notice that Obama read his statement??? It was obviously written for him by an attorney and he wanted to just parse the words as they were written.
Whole story makes no sense … even for Illinois politics. Blago’s no Bozo, and can’t possibly be that stupid. Think he’s been meeting with black ministers to prepare black community for his blowing whistle on both JJ, Sr. and Jr. for their attempts to buy Obama’s senate seat for Jr. Prediction: Blago will soon call news conference to announce that he knew he was being wiretapped (and likely will have proof that he “knew” it), and was using the wiretap to (en)trap JJ, Sr. and Jr. (and maybe others) into directly offering money for the senate seat. Blago will demand release of all wiretap tapes. If tapes are ever released, Blago may be vindicated. Rahm Emanuel likely took phone calls from JJ, Sr., and may have had knowledge that he/they were trying to buy the seat from Blago. Even if Emanuel didn’t participate in the illegal conspiracy, his failure to report it will force Obama to dump him, possibly before the Inauguration. When the dust settles, JJ Sr., JJ Jr., Rahm Emanuel, and possibly others will be ruined. Depending on public reaction to the disclosure, Blago may appoint himself to the senate seat.
Well…you’ve shown ONE thing, and one thing only…
you already hated Obama.
If someone you liked said the same thing, you’d use it in the opposite way…as evidence that he (Obama, in this case) was smart enough to do two things:
One: Give his preferred replacements, as IS EXPECTED by him.
Two: Not talk with the screwy Governor to do so, and waste his time speaking with a guy who was ALREADY known to Obama and other Chicagoan politicians as a slimball.
Obama is one of the smartest patriots around, and you seem to not want to accept that.
You will be wasting a lot of precious energy in your attempts to down him…time and energy better spent on learning how to not make up your own lies…to support your own egomanical assessment of your ‘intelligence’ …in attempts to create lies about those who you obviously didn’t vote for.
Not too intelligent to try to make up lies about lies…
Well…I imagine that you will not allow this comment… hope I’m wrong on that guess, though.
Aloha, from Hawai’i
This will be the first on 4 years of scandals. He has smoozed and lied and covered up from the begining. The liberal Press and Media establishments being his willing, salivating accomplises, in it all. Their almost orgasmic responses to everything that he has to say, with only softball questions lobbed his way as if not to offend the new monarch.
He is a “harvard educated lawyer” don’t ever forget that, because as it has been said earlier, he will parse with the best of them. lying all the way. After the Clintons, the democratic leadership doesn’t believe that the American people will want to go through their dictionaries to have to really clearly define words like, “is” and “talked to”, when the spirit, meaning and intent is in the actual action of what really did happen. But, Obama, as he has so skillfully done up until know, will show that he too can keep up with Bill on redifining words like,”is” and talked, and who knows what!
The US Attorneys had to spill the beans early, because they know that Obama is ready from Jan 20th to fire them all, and launch his own putsch of the Department of Justice. BUt, you’ll never hear a peep from Katie Couric like during the few that were fired during Bush. Charlie Gibson will soft pedal it as Obama’s desire for the “new face of true justice” in the US. Afterall he was the editor of the “Harvard Law Review”.
The people that I feel most sorry for is the 90% of Black Americans who hoped that this historic election would give politics a new face and era of equality. But, sad to say is that they fell for the lie, he simply played them. And in return, what they will get after 4 years is never to have another black president in their lifetime. They gave a man a chance who was just as decieving and corrupt as the rest of the political elite.
Change for the sake of change alone, usually ends up a nightmare.
So what if he had conversations with the governor of the state he represented? Of course it would be totally normal to do so. All these disgruntled Republicans that are upset over their man losing should look in the mirror and ask themselves how many times Bush has lied over the last 8 years, and McCan to talk about the lobbyist problem. When his whole campaign was full of them! Lies! Give me a break!!! This is just a major distraction that Obama shouldn’t have to deal with while preparing to take over the mess that the Bush Clan has got us in. Obama wasn’t my first choice but I am now 100% behind him now and hope he can straighten our country out. Reading some of these comments make me wonder how “American” these people are!
Do any of you know what United means?
I just wish there was just one woman willing to give Bush a BJ so we could have impeached him!
I was wondering if some of you were also writing the newspapers with ficticious stories about McCan. Can’t blame Mccan about those lies can we? After all, he didn’t write the lies!
I know some people HOPE this will become a big deal. It won’t. Obama himself didn’t speak with anyone concerning this matter. The country can see that the McCain losers are trying their best to turn this into a scandal. Americans are way too smart and they’re not going to fall for this. Mark my words.
Plus, Obama won because AMERICANS were sick of all the lies that Bush has been shoving down our throats for the last eight years. Obama will be the President of the United States of America for at LEAST the next four years. Get used to it and get over it.
the most important word in politics is “I”…
this is far from politics, pres elect obama is a puppet as stated by another, but of a different kind.
P/E obama as he stated will “excercise” his “executive powers” I.E., declare marshall law which silences the remaining branches of government (eventually).
by 06-2009, israel will sign the peace treaty.
P/E obama will be the beast that gives all authority over to the second beast that was before him (as a previous comment by yet another suggests that P/E obama is in by the effort of another(s), while McCain sat on the sidelines during the election.
obama 6th-9th cousin of dick cheney (CEO for middleeast development founded by bush sr. whom was upset when jr. ran and won the election for someone else was supposed to be here instead of jr.).
palin who is related to a prominent bloodline by marriage where as obama, bush, and McCain (McCain being the closest to the elusive royalty-Mc being abreviated for Mac (irish-scottish/gaelic for “son of” and a teaser for you-1990 US census, “McCain” rarely used as a first name, NEVER used as a surname, please explain why a us citizen has a surname that is NEVER used…some one again is lying…)
3 1/2 years after israel signs, the current US goverment is handed over to the final dictator (McCain) and at this time, according to myan calendar, nibiru (the other half of what we call earth) returns just as the sun switches polarity and with both forces, the earth flips over causing major quakes in diverse places…
the world is in a major economic (the wealthy are going broke) crash and the once illegal central bank is trying to force wars in order to get countries to borrow (US oils during WWII financed US, russia, AND hitler)…
Barack Obama, one of the two Democratic contenders for the presidency, is perhaps, among the three candidates, the most genealogically diversed. His bloodline consists of Luo (Kenyan), English, German, Irish, Welsh, and smattering of French and Dutch ancestries. His pedigree shows different groups of people spanning several generations from different places. (Click here to see his pedigree chart).
Obama’s Kenyan ancestry is sketchy, and is traced only through the male line. (Click here for a diagram of his Kenyan ancestry.) Much of his known family tree is through his maternal side, and it is here that we find many interesting relations to the senator.
Obama could count at least two royal ancestors: William I “the Lion”, King of Scotland, and Henry II of England. He is related to at least six US Presidents: Jimmy Carter (half 7th cousins three times removed), Harry Truman (7th cousins three times removed), the 2 George Bushes (10th cousins once and twice removed, respectively), Woodrow Wilson (husband of Obama’s 6th cousin five times removed), and James Madison (3rd cousin nine times removed). He is also a ninth cousin once removed of Vice-President Dick Cheney. He has several relative lawmakers and Supreme Court Justices, as well.
Of Politics and Genealogy: US Edition (continued)
But Obama’s ancestry is not limited to political personalities. He is a 7th cousin four times removed of renowned artist Georgia O’Keefe, and his eighth cousin once removed, Elizabeth H. Richardson, was married to novelist Ernest M. Hemingway. Another relative is Gordon B. Hinkley, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Theodore N. Vail, founder of AT&T, is a sixth cousin four times removed, while banker JP Morgan is a 7th cousin four times removed.
SEE: MITT ROMNEY’S MORMONISM
Other interesting relations of Senator Obama are actors: Margaux Hemingway, his 9th cousin; Superman Christopher Reeve, a 7th couin twice removed, and Katharine Hepburn, a 7th cousin thrice removed, and Brad Pitt is a 9th cousin. Even Justin Timberlake is Obama’s 11th cousin! A truly interesting approach to American politics.
2 GEORGE BUSHES
Ancestry of Barack Obama
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6162 Samuel Hinckley, b. … , d. Barnstable, Mass., 31 Oct. 1662 m. Hawkhurst, co. Kent, 17 May 1617
6163 Sarah Soole, b. … , d. Barnstable, Mass., 18 Aug. 1656
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Gov. THOMAS HINCKLEY (1619-1706) m. Mary Richards
.Samuel Hinckley m. Sarah Pope
.Job Hinckley m. Sarah Tufts
|.Samuel Hinckley m. Abigail Welch
| .Samuel Hinckley m. Dorothy Strong
| .Sophia Hinckley m. Jonathan Huntington Lyman
| .George Hinckley Lyman m. Marie Cornelia Ritchie Austin
| .Katherine Maria Lyman m. James Read Chadwick
| .Bessie Lyman Chadwick m. Douglas Hamilton Thomas
| .Katherine Lyman Thomas m. MATHIAS Graf von OPPERSDORFF (1899-1968)
| .Rosamonde Whitridge Thomas m. EDUARD Graf von OPPERSDORFF (1896-1976)
.Mary Hinckley m. Samuel Bangs
|.Joseph Bangs m. Thankful Hamlin
| .Lemuel Bangs m. Rebecca Keeler
| .Elijah Keeler Bangs m. Esther Stackhouse
| .Mary Ann Bangs m. Joseph Ambrose Beaky
| .Martha Adela Beaky m. David Davis Walker
| .George Herbert Walker m. Lucretia Wear / SEE: HEEDING BIBLE PROPHECY: 10.G Dragon Court: Vere/Weir Bloodline
| .Dorothy Walker m. Prescott Sheldon Bush
| .GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH (b. 1924), US President, m. Barbara Pierce
| |.GEORGE WALKER BUSH (b. 1946), US President
| |.JOHN ELLIS “Jeb” BUSH (b. 1953), Governor of Florida
| |.Neil Mallon Bush m. Sharon Smith
| | .LAUREN BUSH (b. 1984), model
| .Jonathan James Bush m. Josephine Bradley
| .William Hall “BILLY” BUSH (b. 1972), entertainment reporter
.Thomas Hinckley m. Mercy —-
.Thomas Hinckley m. Ruth Merrick
.Nathaniel Hinckley m. Mercy Nickerson
.Nathaniel Hinckley m. Rhoda Barber
.Nathaniel Hinckley m. Lois Judd
.Ira Nathaniel Hinckley m. Angeline Wilcox Noble
.Bryant Stringham Hinckley m. Ada Bitner
.GORDON BITNER HINCKLEY (1910-2008), president of the Mormon church / SEE: MITT ROMNEY’S MORMONISM
KING WILLIAM I, “the Lion”, OF SCOTLAND
WAS A DESCENDANT OF GODFROI DE BOUILLON, THE FIRST GRAND MASTER OF THE PRIEURÉ DE SION
all in all, the olde versions of the bible references this dictator as being born of a jackal (not from a jackal) which is one of the coat of arms for the “Merovingian” royalty which claimed to be royal as the seed of jesus/magdalene, mary which the templars tried to hide…
anyhow, do your own search and see for yourself that this is all but political…
I agree with crosspatch: “Who really “runs” Barack Obama?”
…
IT REALLY AMAZE ME THAT SO MANY PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ARE ***bleep*** AND DO NOT KNOW A DAM THING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU ALL, BUT EVERY ***bleep*** HAS HIS OPINION.
FROM WHERE I STAND IN THE WORLD AMERICA IS COLLAPSING AND WILL SOON BE A 4TH WORLD COUNTRY IF WE ALL DO NOT GET OFF OUR ASS AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO TIME TO SIT AROUND AND TALK BULLSHIT, GET RIDDLE OF BLOGOJEVICH´S ASS AND LETS GET ON WITH AMERICA´S BUSINESS. THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THIS JERK IN OFFICE SHOULD BE THE FIRST ONES ARRESTED. TIME WE GET A FRESH START AND MOVE ON. GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND WE LET G.BUSH AND FRIENDS PUT US IN A BLACK HOLE. UP TO US NOW TO PULL OURSELFS OUT OF THIS MESS. PEACE, LOVE YOU ALL AT HOME.
WE ALL WORKED TO HARD FOR OUR GREAT COUNTRY TO BE IN THIS CONDITION.
WE ALL WORKED TO HARD FOR OUR GREAT COUNTRY TO BE IN THIS CONDITION.
Facts are facts and the facts are this:
1.CRA
2.Fannie Mae Freddie Mac/clinton administration
3.Sarbanes Oxley bill
4.Unions
5.Bernard Madoff, Invetor(huge democrat contributor)
6.Housing price boom caused by #2’s “guarantees” then bust
7.Congress
8.Congress
9.Congress
Not a one of these has anything to do with George W. Bush.
What DOES have to do with President Bush is record unemployement and growth (EVEN after the attack on the World Financial Markets in ‘01)
until ‘08 and the “coming home to roost” of liberal policies
Socialism does not work. Never has. Never will. Ask the Europeans who are now moving away from it.
America is the the greatest country on the face of the earth, not because we try to be, but because we live it: hard work, drive, ingenuity, freedom to be, generosity, FUN AND JOY. You miserable folks will NEVER has us in your company. Look elsewhere.
As to obama, it isn’t that he talked directly with bloggie, it’s that he expected to do busines that way, imho.
Lets see a show of hands, Ok,,, democrates, Mmmm,,, republicans, Huh uh,,,, well its obvious I am outnumbered here!
Let Me get this outta the way,, I am neither! I Am an American by birth, and a Texan by the grace of God! Nor did I vote, being aware that Any president, high yellow male or If female, They’re gonna be “somebodys’ puppet”!!!!
I am submitting this blog after reading “crosspatchs” blog @ 4:30pm, 12/13/08. What We as Americans Should be concerned With, instead of what race/color/gender the oval office puppet Is,,, Is the state of affairs said puppets Have gotten Us into during the past 50 yrs!
We are currently in a recession, We are currently killing and being killed in a war that We should have never allowed,, We are currently dispised/unappreciated in most of the free and surpressed world abroad,, We are currently fighting on 3 diff. fronts for Other countries(killing and being killed, again),, We are Etc… on and on, But you democrates And republicans wanna piss an moan about Is what a lie the current puppet uttered, and what politician is spewin BS,, Duh Those are givens!
Anyways, I’m done! Take the time to read and reflect!!!!!
crosspatch & kitty……….that really is the question. Who is running Obama? I have been asking from 2005. The only answer I get is Soros. Never bought it.
The big money was being spent from 2004 on this person that came out of nowhere. He is Chicago. He was placed into each step up. Someone arranged all this or some COUNTRY arranged all this. I still think it’s one of the scariest things I have ever witnessed. He had zero record, zero that could be pinned on him. Clean. Too clean. Much too clean to be surrounded by the worst Chicago has to offer. So who runs him? I could even give Obama himself a pass because I think he is only the stooge in this play. Hell, he could be as scared over it as me. He sure looked sick when this one hit. And Rbo hid.
crosspatch, kitty, and owl: Tom Daschle handed Obama his Senate staff and, along with Durbin, convinced Obama to run for president. I assume Daschle (and Durbin) wanted to stop Hillary.
Whether Soros pulls everyone’s strings is not for me to speculate, but Saturday Night Live did run that sketch that labelled Soros, ‘owner, Democratic Party’.
However, I do think it’s Daschle since 2004.
Obama always needs a father figure – Marshall, Wright, Ayers, Emil Jones – until 2004, when it suddenly becomes Daschle.
Lehman Bros. bankruptcy on 9/15 was the big domino with unintended consequences – and I am looking forward to Tim Geithner’s confirmation hearing because I am sure Sen. Shelby at least will be asking about Geithner and Lehman Bros. Geithner spent five years overseeing the NY financial institutions, and this is what we get?
You guys should read the NYT series “The Reckoning” The business writers seem to live in the koolaid-free zone. Today, they nailed Senator Chuck Schumer, who made the Democratic Party the party of Wall Street since 1999. And made sure to remind everyone of Robert Rubin’s failure, again – as if the article on Citigroup and the article on refusing to regulate derivatives in 1997 were not enough…
Don’t you think Schumer isn’t telling Gov. Paterson who to appoint to Hillary’s Senate seat?
Just thought you might consider the need for a father figure and aversion to risk that characterizes Obama. He wants to be liked far more than he wants to be Stalin.
well, back to my new hobby – saving Saab from the idiocy of GM.
The comments on this board are of great concern to me. I have noticed a pattern of hostility for some time within our country. It appears to me that many are seeing the opposing political party as a greater threat than our enemies’ abroad. This cannot have anything but a divisive effect, as is being see here. If this internal hostility continues, it will become increasingly difficult to wage the war effectively.
“I have noticed a pattern of hostility for some time within our country”
Yeah, but mostly from the Left. Have you seen the way “gay rights” activists treated the Mormons? Biden’s church didn’t get burned down, it was Palin’s. And the list goes on.
Democrats are some of the least tolerant, most violent, narrow-minded crazies I have seen in some time. Ever hear of a Republican attacking an Obama supporter? The corruption gets worse, the violence gets worse, and our media just doesn’t seem to care. Actually, they do care, they are complicit. They enable the behavior. Failing to report it for what it is amounts to agreement with it.
The new bumper stickers are here! (funny!)
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/12/new-bumper-stickers-are-here-new-bumper.html
Seems AJ hit a nerve on this post. It also appears that those with Bush Derangement Syndrome have morphed into Obama Messiah Syndrome (the King can do no wrong).
AJ pointed out that Obama lied. It’s bizzarre that Obama lied, also, because as many of you recognize — it would be expected that he WOULD have contact with the Gov about his replacement. So, why lie about it? There are several troubling things in the indictment…..and, some indicate a spokesperson for Obama talking about deals. No one knows if Obama, Rahm Emmanuel, etc have committed any crimes. The investigation hasn’t been made public yet. But, it is clear that Obama lied. So, the real question is…..why? And, yes, it does great damage to his Administration before he even takes office.
Will Holder have to recuse himself from Chicago probe?
December 14, 2008
Clarice Feldman
AP’s Pete Yost reports that legal experts tell him that if Eric Holder is confirmed as attorney general, he may have to recuse himself from overseeing the Illinois courruption probe that has ensnared Governor Blagojevich and struck fear in the hearts of other Illinois pols. This is another good reason why Holder’s name should be taken out of the hat for Attorney General
Holder , as you recall, was an Obama advisor during the presidential campaign and there’s a possibility that he might know something relevant to the probe and be called as a witness.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/12/will_holder_have_to_recuse_him.html
The Real Story Behind the Rushed Blagojevich Bust: How the Feds Are Frustrated by Losing (Maybe) Half of Their Case
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/12/14/the-real-story-behind-the-rushed-blagojevich-bust-how-the-feds-are-frustrated-by-losing-maybe-half-of-their-case/
[...] More Bad News For the Hope and Changers– Barack Obama and his team issued categorical denials that Obama and/or his staff had contacted Blagojevich or his staff about the succession. Of course, it is apparent now that this was a lie. [...]
Let us just hope that SCOTUS does the right thing today
and gives Cort Wrotnoswki permission to be heard.
I doubt Obama’s true followers will rebel against this.
Obama is of the Morlocks and the followers are Eloi.
They will march to hell if Obama asks, and well he may.
I didn’t realize we were so close to calling a Constitution Convention.
A bill was defeated in Ohio. Apparently 32 other states have
passed such bills. Only 34 states are needed. Anyone want to
guess what Obama’s new constitution would be?
No big surprise. SCOTUS denies Wrotnowski.
What happens next?
This: http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin186.htm
In the meantime, the Eloi celebrate their victory.
Plus, Bloomberg now reports that there may be another shoe dropping: There is some apparent pay-for-play in New Mexico involving a company that got some fees after donating to Richardson’s PACs.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aL0GGUluJeT8&refer=worldwide
dave m,
The birth certificate thing is a non-issue. The sooner people drop it the better. Better to use energy and resources on an angle that actually has some merit.
I think Obama will be in shreds as a corrupt political hack along with a good portion of his cabinet being exposed as the same before he even takes office. The “culture of corruption” of the Democratic party might finally be on the way to being revealed.
Maybe, just maybe, some of these companies will start to sing about the fleecing they have had to take from these politicians. As money gets tight and boards of directors start looking into expenditures and hiring practices, a lot more might come to the surface.
How many of these “do nothing” political jobs given to friends of politicians will survive the current economic turmoil is an interesting question. Might some of these “jobmail” positions, positions given to political friends in exchange for government contracts, be exposed?
I would expect so.
joesixpack……….yep, you might have cause for concern if what you wrote is not a joke. Did you feel even a tickle down your leg as peeps were walking around with signs w/blood running down Bush’s face? A real tolerant bunch it has been for the last 8 years. BTW………is that you McCain? If so, I voted for you, so trash me. I read on almost all boards about the ‘new’ hateful people that do not want to get along. Give me a freaking break.
If Obama is clean, I do believe he decended from heaven and he is the Chicago Miracle.
In the tradition of the Clintons … he has lied his ass off, over and over. It’s just a matter of time, when all his past associations catch up to him, and his chickens come home to roost.
Jimmy Lewis
SCS, Michigan
Blog: http://rougerevival.blogspot.com/
Of course Obama lied. I do think it is interesting how the Obamabots try to drag Bush into this. As if he were responsible for the fact that Obama is a crook. And btw, Bush did not lie. He might have given the people from the Clinton administration intel community more credit than they deserved, but he did not lie.
Do any of you know what United means?
Yes, I do. It’s pretty obvious that Democrats only bother paying lip service to the idea when they hold power and can use it to accuse Republicans of disloyalty to their country.
“Dissent is patriotic.” Get used to hearing that, friend. And realize that you and your ilk popularized the phrase.
Schadenfreude, baby!
You want unity? Okaaay. My blood is boiling over the way the MSM is reporting the Shoe. And I read the comments by those lovers of peace and unity…………cheering. The MSM is my enemy as surely as the terrorists. They are the bald faced liar. If I had been anywhere in that room in Iraq, I would have tried to have taken that MSM creep down.
Now listen up………I would have done the same if the President was Obama. Got that? Most of the left does not get it. When Obama becomes my President, he is MY President. I might not like him, but you let anyone prance around with his head on a bloody pike sign, and I am against them. Got it? Where were you for Bush? Anyone that throws their spit at President Obama, if I am close, I go after. Got it? I doubt it. There seems to be a real difference between that lip service the left gives about unity and what is really HATE. Laughing at the shoe and running it on front pages is hate. Oh good grief, I do hate. MSM.
The Constitution is a non-issue?
Just drop it?
No I will not. I will drop the questioning of Obama’s eligibility if
the case is heard in full in both of the challenges,
firstly that Obama was not born in Hawaii and is not a US citizen
by birth or secondly that he is not a natural born citizen because of
holding multiple nationalities.
I expect to see forensic document experts analyze the real
birth certificate, if one even exists, not Polarik, and not Strata.
But as long as the courts just turn down cases based on the
stupidly narrow issues of standing then the case is not heard and
I will not shut up about it.
Note to Owl, When “Obama becomes president”, he will still not
be my president.
You can call me any names you want, that is a typical lefty strategy,
discredit the questioner. You saw it in spades with Joe The Plumber,
and we see it to a lesser extent here.
Leaving all pixel wars aside, I just ask the following question:
Why has “Obama” hired three legal firms and spent something
in the region of 800,000 bucks to ensure his records stay sealed
if there is nothing to hide? There is no answer.
The shoe incident is bizarre. The strange is, that as far as the left is concerned of course, this guy is representative of the Iraqi people. Not Maliki. Not the police and army who train with Americans. Not the Iraqis who have said this brings shame to their culture…no, the one loud mouth idiot throwing shoes is representative.
But gosh, it is not like the left is hateful or anything.
I wonder what the Iranians will think of Obama if he really does nuke them? The ones that are left alive anyway. After all, in 8 years Bush has never threatened to nuke anyone.
dave:
I really do think that Obama is a citizen. I think the issue of the birth certificate is a waste of time. That does not mean I like the guy…but I think a lot of time and energy has been wasted on the issue of his eligibility.
Terry e,
That is the line here. But I do not think Obama
is a natural born american, and several hundred thousand others
agree with me.
AJ likes to throw around the cult word. If I ask this question I am a
cultist. Sorry, no worky. I was once in a cult, for a short time,
until I fought like hell and got out. I know better than AJ, I think, what cult
behavior is.
There is a concerted effort to shut up this question and I simply ask
what have you got to lose? What has anyone to lose by letting a
proper investigation into Obama’s eligibility proceed? Go on,
make an argument. I doubt that you can.
We followed AJ strategy. I voted for McCain. I argued for moderation.
Utterly stupid and I am glad I am mostly living outside the USA,
in the middle of nowhere, and have a good chance to survive what is to come.
(If McCain had those shoes thrown at him, he would have picked them
up himself and beat himself around the head with them and then
offered his respect to the Iraqi thrower. )
But in the meantime, I suggest none of you tell me to shut up. I can
get that kind of behavior any day of the week at infoshop or dailykos.
I invite you to ban me. “Obama” would, and you’ll be in good company.
Until that day, I will continue to report on our usurper and the efforts
made to unseat him.
Have a happy Christmas and a productive New Year.
One of those AOL polls – not that they were that accurate in
calling the winner of the presidential contest.
“Do you think there is substance behind the controversy
surrounding Obama’s birth certificate?
47% – Yes
46% – No
7% – Not Sure
poll here:
http://www.thecommentary.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/obama-poll.jpg
Off Topic:
IBD/TIPP Takes Top Honors Again
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, December 15, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Election: Now that the ‘08 tally is official, we note that for the second election in a row, the IBD/TIPP Poll not only came closest to the final margin, but was right on the money — tantamount to hitting a bullet with a bullet.
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=314237563678183
Dave, I know you’re taking this stuff in part off Donofrio’s blog. Donofrio’s mistake is that he has his own personal interpretation of what “natual born citizen” means, but that interpretation of his is not backed up by ANY case law or ANY court, ever.
He’s got an interesting argument – problem for him and you is, that’s all it is. The courts have rejected his minimalist construction in favor of an expansive construction. Obama’s mother was a US citizen, therefore Obama is a natural born US citizen. His father’s citizenship is immaterial.
You should note that Donofrio also believes that John McCain was not a natural born citizen because he was born in Panama, even though his parents were only there because of US military service.
To put it in precise legal terms, Donofrio is a whack-job.
Date Set For Broe v. Reed
December 10, 2008
Contact: Stephen Pidgeon, Attorney at Law, P.S.
Tel: (425) 605-4774 Fax: (425) 818-5371
Email: attorney@stephenpidgeon.com
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
12 Washington voters sue to set aside the election of Barack Obama in Washington.
Bellevue, WA, December 10, 2008 — The Washington Supreme Court has set a date for the case Broe v. Reed, to be heard en banc on January 8, 2009.
On December 4, 2008, James (Jim) Broe and 11 other Washington voters sued Secretary of State Sam Reed in the Washington Supreme Court, seeking a Writ of Mandamus to require the Secretary to set aside the votes cast for Senator Barack Obama, because at the time of the election, Senator Obama had failed to establish that he was a “natural born citizen” of the United States, failed to establish that he was an American citizen, and that he was not running under his legal name of Barry Soetoro.
“The issue of standing seems to be behind us,” said Stephen Pidgeon, counsel for the plaintiffs. “What remains is to establish the duty of the Secretary of State, under Article III, Sections 4 and 17 of the Washington constitution, under RCW 29A.04.230 which names the Secretary as the state’s chief of elections, and under relevant administrative codes which also require the Secretary to act.”
Pidgeon goes on to say that “each candidate that stands in a primary election must make a declaration of candidacy, stating that ‘at the time of filing this declaration, I am legally qualified to assume office if elected.’ The Secretary of State has a constitutionally imposed duty to determine if the candidate is telling the truth.”
http://decalogosintl.org/?p=75
Rahm’s calls on tape
The Blago scandal . . .
December 16, 2008
BY MICHAEL SNEED Sun-Times Columnist
Sneed hears rumbles President-elect Barack Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, is reportedly on 21 different taped conversations by the feds — dealing with his boss’ vacant Senate seat!
A lot of chit-chat?
Hot air?
Or trouble?
• • To date: Rahm’s been mum. Stay tuned.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/1333057,CST-NWS-SNEED16.article
Could the Blago scandal ensnare team Obama? You betcha.
If you don’t think it can, you don’t know prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.
By Byron York
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTg2NzI4MWVhY2I1OWQ3NTE5YmNhNGRiM2E3OGQxMTY=
WWS
Actually, I am taking it off
http://www.theobamafile.com/NaturalBornCitizenChart.htm
I will paste the whole thing in and let Strata delete it.
The Obama File
Natural Born Citizen Chart
People are confused because they don’t understand the meaning of the relevant legal terms. This chart that shows the elements for each of the constitutional terms that are used in the Constitution or in Caselaw by the Supreme Court.
For each presidential candidate, they can put the factual history of their birth in the equation and see if they fit the bill to be president of the U.S. in 2008 under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 and the relevant federal law under U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), and Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939). As you can clearly see, Obama is a U. S. citizen, but he’s not a “natural born citizen” and, as such, is not eligible for POTUS, because his father, a Kenyan, was a foreigner. His birth certificate is only relevant to answer the question, “what does Obama have to hide?”
(The actual chart doesn’t reproduce well on blogs, but feel free to go
there/)
Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:
” … I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents [plural, meaning two] not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx)
U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark’s importance is that it is the first case decided by the Supreme Court that attempts to explain the meaning of “natural born citizen” under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Natural born citizen is similiar to the meaning of what a natural born subject is under Common Law in England. That is one of the reasons why the framers specifically included a grandfather clause (natural born Citizen OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution). The founding fathers knew that in order to be president, they had to grandfather themselves in because they were British subjects. If they didn’t, they could not be President of the U.S. The holding in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark states that Wong Kim Ark is a native born citizen. If you look at the fact of Wong Kim Ark being born in San Francisco, CA, that holding is correct.
Perkins v. Elg’s importance is that it actually gives examples of what a Citizen of the U.S. is; what a native born American Citizen is; and what a natural born citizen of the U.S. is. A natural born citizen is a person who is born of two U.S. citizen parents AND born in the mainland of U.S.
Besides being a lawyer, I am an accountant as well. We know that two plus two equals four (2+2 = 4). There is no dispute in that. Also, the similar logic applies with the meaning of what a natural born citizen of the U.S. is. To be one as defined under U.S. Supreme Court case law and the English Common Law adopted by the U.S., you have to be born of two U.S. citizen parents AND born in the U.S. mainland.
Congress for 26 times has tried to change the meaning of natural born citizen as early as the 1790 Nationality Act and 26 times the bill has been defeated, repealed or ruled unconstitutional. The meaning of what natural born citizen is what it is. Regardless of what people in the mainstream media and in our federal government try to do, they still can’t change the fact of the meaning of what a natural born citizen is. What is occurring right now is straight up a coup de’tat seeking to destroy the Constitution as we know it.
Either way, three of the candidates, Obama (aka Soetoro), McCain, and Calero are not eligible under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Just like a residential purchase of a home is void if fraud in the inducement (where one party conceals a material fact that if people knew about it ahead of time, they would not enter into a residential purchase of a home), the same thing has occurred with the primaries and presidential election on November 4, 2008. Because these three candidates (Obama (aka Soetoro), McCain, and Calero) were ineligible under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution, then the 2008 presidential election and its results are void. Regardless of what game of charades people in the mainstream media and people within our federal government are trying to pull. That is a fact that is not in dispute.
From an attorney who practices in Missouri
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
So you say the father doesn’t matter whereas the supreme court
in 1868 and 1939 ruled that both parents must be US citizens
without foreign attachments.
I am sure you will soon blind me with pixelated science, but I note
that only the requests for immediate stays have been rejected
by the Supreme Court. Both cases are still alive.
PARENTS is plural, plural means more than one. Typically 2.
What Supreme Court decisions expanded this definition since 1939?
I did a gooogle search on natural born citizen and informed
of a US law expanding the meaning of the phrase.
However, that law has never been tested in the Supreme Court.
It is probably unconstitutional. Isn’t this the whole point
of the Donofrio challenge? Try to get the Supreme Court to
do it’s job?
Anyways, Google filters it’s results in a consensus engine
whatever that is. If you do a Copernic search
(Copernic is a search engine almagamator and I recommend it)
you find this:
http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html
This is only a snippet, Strata let me paste in that other whole
thing, so I won’t abuse the privilege but the argument is
extensive:
Natural-Born Citizen Defined
One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature – laws the founders recognized and embraced.
Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.” The first Naturalization Act passed by Congress recognized “natural-born citizens” to be those born beyond the States to resident fathers who were already established citizens of the United States.
The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are avoided, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Any alternations or conflicts due to a child’s natural citizenship are strictly a creature of local municipal law. In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”
Rep. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” This national law does not endow upon any person allegiance through birth alone as was the custom under the old English common law practice but only recognizes citizenship of those born to parents who owe no allegiance to another nation. In other words, national law prevented the creation of conflicting dual citizenships between other nation’s citizens.
————————————————————————–
So there are two tests,
Test1) Why are you spending a fortune to hide your birth
certificate?
Test2) The Constitutional meaning of natural born citizen
needs to be re-tested again.
And here is the KILLER PARAGRAPH from the above argument:
Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural-born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States. A person who had been born under a double allegiance cannot be said to be a natural-born citizen of the United States because such status is not recognized (only in fiction of law). A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.
http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html
If one thinks that is “sexist” or out of date, then change the Constitution.
That hasn’t been done. Will the Supreme Court do it’s job?
I have no idea. But I now understand what the framers meant by
“natural born” and they specifically excluded an act of law changing
their understanding/interpretation of the laws of nature.
Finally, OBAMA KNOWS
He started his lawyers in 2006 to look at ways of getting around
the Natural Born clause.
First I found this tipoff from one of the best posters over at Texasdarlin
Mary writes:
I was doing some reading on the SCOTUS blogs and read this : http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2008/12/ideological-polarization-among-scotus-clerks.html
…”clerks from the chambers of four conservative justices (Scalia, Thomas, Rehnquist, and Kennedy) sort themselves ideologically in their career trajectory: Since 1990, they increasingly go to conservative law schools or to law firms with prominent conservative mentors such as Kirkland & Ellis”…
I remembered that name Kirkland & Ellis and looked it up – http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/gosh-really-hope-obama-natural
Yes, that is why I remembered it – Obama supporters and the lawfirm that had looked into the natural born aspect of the Constitution around the time that the pres-elect started his campaign.
The interesting article “AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE”
“The natural born citizen requirement in Article II of the United States Constitution has been called the “stupidest provision” in the Constitution, “undecidedly un American,” “blatantly discriminatory,” and the “Constitution’s worst provision.”
I am now wondering about SCOTUS remaining unbiased in their denials … I don’t know how anyone could NOT find this disturbing. No ‘proof’ but WOW what a coincidence! I’d hate to believe that there is ‘no justice’ (especially in the high courts). I, along with I am sure millions of others think that the entire issue needs to be resolved once and for all – someone has to speak up for the people of this country. Simple dismissials without given reasons are NOT acceptable!
Here’s the entry she is referring to:
http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/gosh-really-hope-obama-natural
Gosh, I Really Hope Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. But Why, Why, Why, Did He Have Kirkland & Ellis Try to Re-write the Clause in 2006?
wallstreetcaptain 4 days ago
Obama’s Friends Working to Amend the Natural Born Citizen Requirement right as he starts his presidential run?
::
Coincidence?
http://www.patriotbrigaderadio.com/barracks/index.php?topic=250.0 :
If the Facts Don’t Support the Theory, Destroy the Facts
Comment left by: CreativeOgre:
While digging my way through the Internet last night, I came across the following paper, written by SARAH P. HERLIHY. It’s title
AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE
caught my eye, and had to read it…
http://lawreview.kentlaw.edu/articles/81-1/Herlihy.pdf
I had to ask myself, what would drive any American to want to change a clause in a document that is the very foundation of our government?
So, I kept digging, and found that SARAH P. HERLIHY is employed by Kirkland & Ellis LLP http://www.kirkland.com
Noting that this law firm is based in Chicago, the light bulb was shining a little brighter.
Upon looking at the firm, and the partners, I found that
Bruce I. Ettelson, P.C., is Member of finance committees of U.S. Senators Barack Obama and Richard Durbin.
http://www.kirkland.com/sitecontent.cfm … temID=7845 (towards bottom of the page)
In addition, Jack S. Levin, P.C., another partner who, in December 2002 was presented the ” Illinois Venture Capital Association’s lifetime achievement award for service to the private equity/venture capital community” presented by Sen. Barack Obama
So it sure looks like Obama’s people have looked into the matter of “Natural born” as far back as early 2006. What is even more disturbing is that it would appear that they are following the thought of:
“If the facts do not support the theory, Destroy the facts!”
Here is the introduction to the paper… It looks like a road map for Obama’s defense lawyers…And a precursor to a Socialist world.
AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE
SARAH P. HERLIHY*
INTRODUCTION
The natural born citizen requirement in Article II of the United States Constitution has been called the “stupidest provision” in the Constitution, “undecidedly un American,” “blatantly discriminatory,” and the “Constitution’s worst provision.”
Since Arnold Schwarzenegger’s victory in the California gubernatorial recall election of 2003, commentators and policy-makers have once again started to discuss whether Article II of the United States Constitution should be amended to render naturalized citizens eligible for the presidency.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution defines the eligibility requirements for an individual to become president. Article II provides:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Of-fice who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Although these sixty-two words are far from extraordinary, the natural born citizen provision is controversial because it prevents over 12.8 million Americans from being eligible for the presidency.
In addition to Governor Schwarzenegger, the natural born citizen clause prohibits many other prominent Americans from becoming president, including Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, former Secretaries of State Madeleine Albright and Henry Kissinger, Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, and over 700 Medal of Honor Winners.
Even though many of these individuals have served in high political positions or fought in a war on behalf of America, they are not able to become president simply because they were not born in the United States.
The natural born citizen clause of the United States Constitution should be repealed for numerous reasons. Limiting presidential eligibility to natural born citizens discriminates against naturalized citizens, is out-dated and undemocratic, and incorrectly assumes that birthplace is a proxy for loyalty.
OBAMA KNOWS HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT.
I rest my case.
First I found this tipoff from one of the best posters over at Texasdarlin
Mary writes:
I was doing some reading on the SCOTUS blogs and read this : http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2008/12/ideological-polarization-among-scotus-clerks.html
…”clerks from the chambers of four conservative justices (Scalia, Thomas, Rehnquist, and Kennedy) sort themselves ideologically in their career trajectory: Since 1990, they increasingly go to conservative law schools or to law firms with prominent conservative mentors such as Kirkland & Ellis”…
I remembered that name Kirkland & Ellis and looked it up – http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/gosh-really-hope-obama-natural
Yes, that is why I remembered it – Obama supporters and the lawfirm that had looked into the natural born aspect of the Constitution around the time that the pres-elect started his campaign.
The interesting article “AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE”
“The natural born citizen requirement in Article II of the United States Constitution has been called the “stupidest provision” in the Constitution, “undecidedly un American,” “blatantly discriminatory,” and the “Constitution’s worst provision.”
I am now wondering about SCOTUS remaining unbiased in their denials … I don’t know how anyone could NOT find this disturbing. No ‘proof’ but WOW what a coincidence! I’d hate to believe that there is ‘no justice’ (especially in the high courts). I, along with I am sure millions of others think that the entire issue needs to be resolved once and for all – someone has to speak up for the people of this country. Simple dismissials without given reasons are NOT acceptable!
Here’s the entry she is referring to:
http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/gosh-really-hope-obama-natural
Gosh, I Really Hope Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. But Why, Why, Why, Did He Have Kirkland & Ellis Try to Re-write the Clause in 2006?
wallstreetcaptain 4 days ago
Obama’s Friends Working to Amend the Natural Born Citizen Requirement right as he starts his presidential run?
::
Coincidence?
http://www.patriotbrigaderadio.com/barracks/index.php?topic=250.0 :
If the Facts Don’t Support the Theory, Destroy the Facts
Comment left by: CreativeOgre:
While digging my way through the Internet last night, I came across the following paper, written by SARAH P. HERLIHY. It’s title
AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE
caught my eye, and had to read it…
http://lawreview.kentlaw.edu/articles/81-1/Herlihy.pdf
I had to ask myself, what would drive any American to want to change a clause in a document that is the very foundation of our government?
So, I kept digging, and found that SARAH P. HERLIHY is employed by Kirkland & Ellis LLP http://www.kirkland.com
Noting that this law firm is based in Chicago, the light bulb was shining a little brighter.
Upon looking at the firm, and the partners, I found that
Bruce I. Ettelson, P.C., is Member of finance committees of U.S. Senators Barack Obama and Richard Durbin.
http://www.kirkland.com/sitecontent.cfm … temID=7845 (towards bottom of the page)
In addition, Jack S. Levin, P.C., another partner who, in December 2002 was presented the ” Illinois Venture Capital Association’s lifetime achievement award for service to the private equity/venture capital community” presented by Sen. Barack Obama
So it sure looks like Obama’s people have looked into the matter of “Natural born” as far back as early 2006. What is even more disturbing is that it would appear that they are following the thought of:
“If the facts do not support the theory, Destroy the facts!”
Here is the introduction to the paper… It looks like a road map for Obama’s defense lawyers…And a precursor to a Socialist world.
AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE
SARAH P. HERLIHY*
INTRODUCTION
The natural born citizen requirement in Article II of the United States Constitution has been called the “stupidest provision” in the Constitution, “undecidedly un American,” “blatantly discriminatory,” and the “Constitution’s worst provision.”
Since Arnold Schwarzenegger’s victory in the California gubernatorial recall election of 2003, commentators and policy-makers have once again started to discuss whether Article II of the United States Constitution should be amended to render naturalized citizens eligible for the presidency.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution defines the eligibility requirements for an individual to become president. Article II provides:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Of-fice who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Although these sixty-two words are far from extraordinary, the natural born citizen provision is controversial because it prevents over 12.8 million Americans from being eligible for the presidency.
In addition to Governor Schwarzenegger, the natural born citizen clause prohibits many other prominent Americans from becoming president, including Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, former Secretaries of State Madeleine Albright and Henry Kissinger, Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, and over 700 Medal of Honor Winners.
Even though many of these individuals have served in high political positions or fought in a war on behalf of America, they are not able to become president simply because they were not born in the United States.
The natural born citizen clause of the United States Constitution should be repealed for numerous reasons. Limiting presidential eligibility to natural born citizens discriminates against naturalized citizens, is out-dated and undemocratic, and incorrectly assumes that birthplace is a proxy for loyalty.
OBAMA KNOWS HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT.
I rest my case
Now that’s what I call fast response time!
I decided to access Miss Herlihy’s research paper again today.
Guess what?
File not found.
I should not be surprised. Always download anything interesting to your
own computer, don’t just save the link.
But her paper, about the possibility of getting rid of the Natural Born
clause from the US Constitution, disappeared overnight. Sarah P. Herlihy
is still there, but her paper is not. Maybe it is just some technical problem.
Maybe her paper will appear again tomorrow. Let us hope so.
Obama knows.
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