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		<title>By: rubicon220</title>
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		<dc:creator>rubicon220</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Islamo Fascist extremists. That&#039;s quite a pc mouthful ain&#039;t it?
The author doesn&#039;t mention the obvious connection between Islamic jurisprudence/tradition with terrorism.
Perhaps he should read some hadith. Perhaps he should read Stephen Coughlin. Perhaps he should check out the Muslim Brotherhood or read some history regarding Islam before he starts blubbering about his  city on the hill turning into Abu Grhaib. 
The author is  outraged that &quot;the extreme right tanked the only chances for consensus steps to tighter control of our borders&quot; 
Really? But the Secure Fence Act of 06, a result of right wing activism, was a consensus step to tighter border control wasn&#039;t it? Further, The &quot;extreme&quot; right isn&#039;t impeding the construction of that fence, the Republicans are. 
I could go on, but why bother.
The author is a walking sandwich board for political correctness who confuses his slavish support of the Republican party with conservatism.
That said, is being tolerated or not by this author and his ilk of any consequence what so ever?
Didn&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islamo Fascist extremists. That&#8217;s quite a pc mouthful ain&#8217;t it?<br />
The author doesn&#8217;t mention the obvious connection between Islamic jurisprudence/tradition with terrorism.<br />
Perhaps he should read some hadith. Perhaps he should read Stephen Coughlin. Perhaps he should check out the Muslim Brotherhood or read some history regarding Islam before he starts blubbering about his  city on the hill turning into Abu Grhaib.<br />
The author is  outraged that &#8220;the extreme right tanked the only chances for consensus steps to tighter control of our borders&#8221;<br />
Really? But the Secure Fence Act of 06, a result of right wing activism, was a consensus step to tighter border control wasn&#8217;t it? Further, The &#8220;extreme&#8221; right isn&#8217;t impeding the construction of that fence, the Republicans are.<br />
I could go on, but why bother.<br />
The author is a walking sandwich board for political correctness who confuses his slavish support of the Republican party with conservatism.<br />
That said, is being tolerated or not by this author and his ilk of any consequence what so ever?<br />
Didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: OLDPUPPYMAX</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/7423/comment-page-1#comment-427521</link>
		<dc:creator>OLDPUPPYMAX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that I have heard the argument that moderates must be courted for the good of the (republican) party before. Oh yes, that&#039;s right. It was advanced by the McCain/Graham/Hegel crowd. Conservatives, it seems, were far too opinionated...too convinced that the left was wrong. They were unable to &quot;cross the aisle&quot; which, as everybody knows, is the only way to gain the admiration of that highly sought-after bloc of voters known as the undecideds. You know, the ones who still haven&#039;t figured who to vote for by the morning of the election. Just too intellectual, too thoughtful. Not mushy. Well I think I&#039;ll remain a conservative. An actual conservative. Moderates are welcome to join me if they wish. But I&#039;m sure as hell not going to invite illegal aliens into the nation in order to entice them to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that I have heard the argument that moderates must be courted for the good of the (republican) party before. Oh yes, that&#8217;s right. It was advanced by the McCain/Graham/Hegel crowd. Conservatives, it seems, were far too opinionated&#8230;too convinced that the left was wrong. They were unable to &#8220;cross the aisle&#8221; which, as everybody knows, is the only way to gain the admiration of that highly sought-after bloc of voters known as the undecideds. You know, the ones who still haven&#8217;t figured who to vote for by the morning of the election. Just too intellectual, too thoughtful. Not mushy. Well I think I&#8217;ll remain a conservative. An actual conservative. Moderates are welcome to join me if they wish. But I&#8217;m sure as hell not going to invite illegal aliens into the nation in order to entice them to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: WWS</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/7423/comment-page-1#comment-427394</link>
		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>conservative, liberal - it doesn&#039;t matter anymore.  We&#039;re headed into a 10 year (if not a 25 year) depression which will, by the end, cause the destruction of faith and hope in everyone and everything.  It&#039;s too late for that to be avoided.  People have lost all faith in republicans - as the country goes down the tubes, they will lose all faith in democrats.  What, who will come next?   

Bernie Madoff should be the Man of the Year.  He epitomizes perfectly what America has become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>conservative, liberal &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t matter anymore.  We&#8217;re headed into a 10 year (if not a 25 year) depression which will, by the end, cause the destruction of faith and hope in everyone and everything.  It&#8217;s too late for that to be avoided.  People have lost all faith in republicans &#8211; as the country goes down the tubes, they will lose all faith in democrats.  What, who will come next?   </p>
<p>Bernie Madoff should be the Man of the Year.  He epitomizes perfectly what America has become.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people have lost faith in conservatives speaking to their needs. Here in Indiana, where Obama to my shock and surprise actually won...people are worried about small towns dying and jobs being lost. They are worried about American in decline. They do not want to hear about a lot of that other stuff. For instance, these rural people stuck with conservatives in spite of the fact that the farm crisis destroyed thousands of small towns and businesses. However, when it comes down to it, they fear that Republicans simply do not care about them anymore. That is the problem. Raving about who is and is not a real true conservative when people are scared about their future just seems immaterial to these people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people have lost faith in conservatives speaking to their needs. Here in Indiana, where Obama to my shock and surprise actually won&#8230;people are worried about small towns dying and jobs being lost. They are worried about American in decline. They do not want to hear about a lot of that other stuff. For instance, these rural people stuck with conservatives in spite of the fact that the farm crisis destroyed thousands of small towns and businesses. However, when it comes down to it, they fear that Republicans simply do not care about them anymore. That is the problem. Raving about who is and is not a real true conservative when people are scared about their future just seems immaterial to these people.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crosspatch has a good point.  Personal liberty lays well in Peoria.

(Although AJ has done an outstanding job presenting the purely rational pro-life argument)

I&#039;ll add that reform will also go over well.  But it has to be real, and bold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crosspatch has a good point.  Personal liberty lays well in Peoria.</p>
<p>(Although AJ has done an outstanding job presenting the purely rational pro-life argument)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add that reform will also go over well.  But it has to be real, and bold.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing we need to do is shift the focus AWAY from social/cultural issues and get the focus back on &quot;role of government&quot; issues.  Reagan got to office by promising to &quot;get government off the backs of the people&quot; and unleashing the entrepreneurial spirit in which Americans excel. He wasn&#039;t elected to office on a platform of abortion, gay rights, and medical research.

When you pick issues that are fundamental issues of people&#039;s belief systems, you can no longer hold any constructive debate.  One&#039;s position on the question of abortion, for example, are probably rooted in one&#039;s faith.  Arguments of logic have no place in questions of faith because faith should be unwavering.  In defining issues that are founded on people&#039;s faith, there can be no compromise and it becomes &quot;all or nothing&quot;.  We need to set those issues aside as political points of debate because, frankly, they can not be debated.  Elections to political office should not be mechanisms to convert people to different belief systems. 

We need to get back to political issues in politics and leave the social issues to the coffee shop.  The media fosters this division of belief by focusing on social questions as soon as they interview a candidate.  They want to know what their stand on abortion, gay rights, and stem cell research is.  Someone needs to have the backbone to say &quot;none of your damned business, what does that have to do with running an economy and defending a nation&quot;.

We all walk our own personal walk.  Lets get back to governing and have a little less evangelizing in politics, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing we need to do is shift the focus AWAY from social/cultural issues and get the focus back on &#8220;role of government&#8221; issues.  Reagan got to office by promising to &#8220;get government off the backs of the people&#8221; and unleashing the entrepreneurial spirit in which Americans excel. He wasn&#8217;t elected to office on a platform of abortion, gay rights, and medical research.</p>
<p>When you pick issues that are fundamental issues of people&#8217;s belief systems, you can no longer hold any constructive debate.  One&#8217;s position on the question of abortion, for example, are probably rooted in one&#8217;s faith.  Arguments of logic have no place in questions of faith because faith should be unwavering.  In defining issues that are founded on people&#8217;s faith, there can be no compromise and it becomes &#8220;all or nothing&#8221;.  We need to set those issues aside as political points of debate because, frankly, they can not be debated.  Elections to political office should not be mechanisms to convert people to different belief systems. </p>
<p>We need to get back to political issues in politics and leave the social issues to the coffee shop.  The media fosters this division of belief by focusing on social questions as soon as they interview a candidate.  They want to know what their stand on abortion, gay rights, and stem cell research is.  Someone needs to have the backbone to say &#8220;none of your damned business, what does that have to do with running an economy and defending a nation&#8221;.</p>
<p>We all walk our own personal walk.  Lets get back to governing and have a little less evangelizing in politics, please.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redteam,

Yeah, well it is hard to find a winning conservative in any race when all conservatives do is blame everyone else for their self inflicted wounds.

How is it out there in oblivion? Pure and impotent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redteam,</p>
<p>Yeah, well it is hard to find a winning conservative in any race when all conservatives do is blame everyone else for their self inflicted wounds.</p>
<p>How is it out there in oblivion? Pure and impotent?</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just love this story. It can be found at &quot;Freerepublic&quot; Merry Christmas everybody.

Baghdad celebrates first public Christmas
12/21/2008 11:42:47 AM PST Â· by ksm1 Â· 9 replies Â· 393+ views
CNN ^ &#124; December 21, 2008 &#124; Jill Dougherty
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- From a distance, it looks like an apparition: a huge multi-colored hot-air balloon floating in the Baghdad sky, bearing a large poster of Jesus Christ. Below it, an Iraqi flag. Santa and his helpers stand under palm trees at Baghdad&#039;s first public Christmas festival. Santa and his helpers stand under palm trees at Baghdad&#039;s first public Christmas festival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love this story. It can be found at &#8220;Freerepublic&#8221; Merry Christmas everybody.</p>
<p>Baghdad celebrates first public Christmas<br />
12/21/2008 11:42:47 AM PST Â· by ksm1 Â· 9 replies Â· 393+ views<br />
CNN ^ | December 21, 2008 | Jill Dougherty<br />
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) &#8212; From a distance, it looks like an apparition: a huge multi-colored hot-air balloon floating in the Baghdad sky, bearing a large poster of Jesus Christ. Below it, an Iraqi flag. Santa and his helpers stand under palm trees at Baghdad&#8217;s first public Christmas festival. Santa and his helpers stand under palm trees at Baghdad&#8217;s first public Christmas festival.</p>
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		<title>By: Redteam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redteam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s rather hard for conservatives to vote for conservatives if there are none on the ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s rather hard for conservatives to vote for conservatives if there are none on the ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ, I&#039;ll agree with you, but only in part.

Conservatism is in danger of developing its own version of the Lunatic Left, and that will do us no good.

But they aren&#039;t the problem.  The real problems run deeper.

The Republican Party has a long, sordid history of betraying its allies in an attempt to curry favor with its enemies.  Of trying to play a short-term tactical game...at the expense of long-term strategic strength.  And it&#039;s bit them.  Too many people look at the parties and see no real difference.  Because right now, there IS none.

From my perspective, the Republican Party needs to sit down and  recognize that when a party gives its word, it MUST be kept.  And anyone trying to sell the base down the river needs to see the door - instantly.  THEN the Republicans can strike at the numerous weaknesses of the Dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ, I&#8217;ll agree with you, but only in part.</p>
<p>Conservatism is in danger of developing its own version of the Lunatic Left, and that will do us no good.</p>
<p>But they aren&#8217;t the problem.  The real problems run deeper.</p>
<p>The Republican Party has a long, sordid history of betraying its allies in an attempt to curry favor with its enemies.  Of trying to play a short-term tactical game&#8230;at the expense of long-term strategic strength.  And it&#8217;s bit them.  Too many people look at the parties and see no real difference.  Because right now, there IS none.</p>
<p>From my perspective, the Republican Party needs to sit down and  recognize that when a party gives its word, it MUST be kept.  And anyone trying to sell the base down the river needs to see the door &#8211; instantly.  THEN the Republicans can strike at the numerous weaknesses of the Dems.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will mention something here I noted elsewhere. I was reading Instapundit and there was Reynolds saying the GOP had to stand against big government etc. and it dawned on me, the man has tenure. He is a professor. The state provides him with a job it would be very difficult to fire him from as well as a state supported pension. The federal government provides students with financial aide so that they can afford to pay for the ever increasing rates of tuition. {Although enrollment is beginning to decline}. This professor, a libertarian is lecturing the rest of us on being independent from government. Way too many conservatives and libertarians are like this. They just have no idea what life is like for a majority of working people. That is a divide that will kill the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will mention something here I noted elsewhere. I was reading Instapundit and there was Reynolds saying the GOP had to stand against big government etc. and it dawned on me, the man has tenure. He is a professor. The state provides him with a job it would be very difficult to fire him from as well as a state supported pension. The federal government provides students with financial aide so that they can afford to pay for the ever increasing rates of tuition. {Although enrollment is beginning to decline}. This professor, a libertarian is lecturing the rest of us on being independent from government. Way too many conservatives and libertarians are like this. They just have no idea what life is like for a majority of working people. That is a divide that will kill the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a headline the other day that said Gallup reports that 72% of conservative Republicans support Bush. Of course the pundits are not part of that 72%. No, they hate everyone.

Huckabee can call people mushy, but the right hates him too. A lot of them don&#039;t like Palin either. They do not like anyone.

For years I have been listening to these guys say that the majority of Americans agree with them on policy. On everything from immigration to energy to helping American Auto workers, they swear they are in the majority. But if that is so, why are they losing elections to Democrats? It is not as if the Democrats are more conservative. 

For instance, they say most Americans don&#039;t like bailouts. Well of course they don&#039;t. But they dislike poverty and unemployment even more. So while people say one thing,  they vote for the Democrat. 

Meanwhile the right is too abrasive. They are not only indifferent to the job losses, too many of them seem absolutely eager to see the collapse come. As if they thought it would help them or bring people back to them..it gives me the willies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a headline the other day that said Gallup reports that 72% of conservative Republicans support Bush. Of course the pundits are not part of that 72%. No, they hate everyone.</p>
<p>Huckabee can call people mushy, but the right hates him too. A lot of them don&#8217;t like Palin either. They do not like anyone.</p>
<p>For years I have been listening to these guys say that the majority of Americans agree with them on policy. On everything from immigration to energy to helping American Auto workers, they swear they are in the majority. But if that is so, why are they losing elections to Democrats? It is not as if the Democrats are more conservative. </p>
<p>For instance, they say most Americans don&#8217;t like bailouts. Well of course they don&#8217;t. But they dislike poverty and unemployment even more. So while people say one thing,  they vote for the Democrat. </p>
<p>Meanwhile the right is too abrasive. They are not only indifferent to the job losses, too many of them seem absolutely eager to see the collapse come. As if they thought it would help them or bring people back to them..it gives me the willies.</p>
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