Jan 07 2009
Hamas Should Be Rounded Up For War Crimes
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The bleeding heart liberals who are siding with Hamas over the fighting in Gaza have one growing major problem – and that is all the war crimes Hamas is continuously committing. Crimes against children, the elderly and the sick. Not Israeli children, elderly and sick, but against Palestinian children, elderly and sick.
And it is beyond me as to how or why liberal news media outlets are aiding and abetting these crimes by trying to cover them up. Just check out this little story (from AP) about how Hamas bombs laid within or around a UN school killed and maimed innocent civilians:
At least 30 Palestinians were killed and over 50 wounded in an IDF attack on a Hamas rocket squad based in a UN school in Jabalya on Tuesday, military sources said.
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The school grounds were being used by terrorists to fire mortar shells at troopsstationed nearby, and the soldiers responded by firing mortars back, the army said. According to the IDF, the dead included members of the Hamas rocket cell, including senior operatives Imad Abu Askhar and Hassan Abu Askhar.
Defense officials told The Associated Press that booby-trapped bombs in the school had triggered secondary explosions that killed additional Palestinians there.
Emphasis mine. Hamas laid bombs around a school, fired rockets at Israelis from that school, which created the expected counter fire attack, which set off the Hamas laid bombs. Is anyone but a dunce AP reporter not seeing how Hamas just suicided numerous people just to try and win a news cycle and some PR points? Hamas is really good at sacrificing others so they can look to be the aggrieved party in all this.
And some liberal idiots play right into their hands, encouraging more of the same. So, I can guess some liberal readers are now asking how does the elderly and sick fit into a school? Simple. Hamas has no morals or ethics. They are bloodthirsty animals who hide their warriors among the sick and their healers:
The defense officials said it was likely that a number of senior Hamas operatives and terror chiefs were hiding and conducting their operations from within Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. “Hamas operatives are in the hospital and have disguised themselves as nurses and doctors,” one official said. OC Military Intelligence Maj.-Gen. Amos Yadlin told the cabinet that Hamas was using mosques, public institutions and private homes as ammunition stores.
These are all acts of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Hamas is responsible for killing Israelis and Palestinians. It is responsible for also duping the ridiculously gullible here in the West. But fooling fools is not a war crime. Setting up artillery and military positions on school grounds is. Booby-trapping schools so that lots of children can be killed to paint the Israelis as some kind of criminals is in itself the criminal act of a subhuman. Hiding among the healers and sick is a war crime. Attracting enemy fire onto places of worship, public schools and hospitals is a war crime.
Being foolish enough not believe this is Israel’s fault is not a crime because we have not outlawed stupidity yet. But there is a line where ignorance is not an excuse. There is such a thing as accidental and negligent homicide. There is also aiding and abetting. There is a point where trying to claim ignorance will not wash.
It is time the world put our arrest warrants against Hamas leaders (military and civilian) and brought them to the vaunted World Court to be tried for War Crimes. If not here and now on these actions – what good is the UN or World Court?
Surely you have never believed this vaunted “world court” is anything but a criminal farce itself. The entire international structure, such as it is today, is a sick, horrendous, joke.
I am not going to be too sorry to see it all collapse.
Which it will.
Soon.
Just out of curiousity – could you name one of these liberals “who are siding with Hamas over the fighting in Gaza”?
I’m not talking about someone who simply decries the proportionality of the Israeli attack, or someone who argues that Israel’s response is going to strengthen Hamas’ appeal to the Palestinian people.
I mean – find me ONE single person in the liberal blogosphere, or the MSM, who actually says “Hamas is right”. Find me one person who says they have the right to lob missiles into Israel – who is actively cheering that on.
Hamas is a despicable terrorist organization, who does use its own people, including children, as human shields. (And let’s keep in mind that they were voted into power, by democratic elections that the Bush Admin insisted upon, ignoring the advice of… well, pretty much everybody else.) They are a blight on the earth.
However, believing that does NOT mean that everything Israel has done and will do is automatically justified. Not being able to hold those two thoughts in your head at the same time is the very embodiment of the neocon mindset.
If the world didn’t hate the jews, nobody would talk about the proportionality of their response. Everybody knows that when you throw a punch you don’t get to decide how big the punch should be that comes back. In that Hamas was elected by the people they too are responsible for the way their government acts. If they want to die then they elected a good government, if they don’t want to be represented by thugs and terrorists then they know what to do.
Guy,
And what did Israel do that wasn’t justified?And what does self preservation justify? Can you wrap your mind around that?
Gotta love the “proportionality” thinking—I am only going to kill you or terrorize you so much. Like there is a fine line for deviant behavior.
What I would like to know is if the Jews really control the media why are they so anti-semetic—is this the embodiment of Jewish guilt? Need a liberal to answer that one for me.
It is good that HAMAS can now be held responsible as well as much of the Islamic world. It makes people stand out because they must be held accountable. This brings on the appearance of ‘creating’ new terrorists when more likely, it is exposing many more of those who are privately supportive. One of the largest problems with defeating terrorism is knowing who they are and who their supporters are.
Guy:
Find me one person in the liberal blogosphere who actually has any sane idea as to how Israel is supposed to deal with people who consider the complete eradication of the Jewish people to be part of their philosophy? Hamas won an election in that part of the world you know.
Liberals are good at prattling on about what is and is not proportionate, but they completely ignore the fact that there is no evidence what so ever that the Palestinians care about proportion. They hate the Jews. Period. They are not going to start liking them just because the Israelis sit there and let Hamas lob mortars at them. Their problems run deeper than that. They would rather raise their children to hate and kill Jews than provide them with a decent future, and until and unless that changes nothing else will change either.
Time and again I hear this post modern relativist nonsense from people like you. Saddam was bad, but don’t take out Saddam. Darfur is genocide, naughty naughty. Someone should..you know do something… But you never actually liberate anyone, or solve any problems, or bring democracy, or anything of the kind. Just self righteous lectures about what is proportional. Don’t worry, the kind of media that throws shoes at the President of the United States has already decided what kind of coverage we will see out of Gaza.And I am sure the Jews will be seen as bullies. Nothing will change. Year after year.
So, between the entire group of you – not one single name?
Thanks for proving my point.
And Terrye, if you want a decent (though far from perfect) view from the left on the Gaza situation, read this transcript from Hugh Hewitt’s show. I certainly don’t agree with all of the points made, but I think they do a pretty decent job of showing how this doesn’t have to be seen as a straight black/white issue.
Guy:
Not one name? What are you talking about? I guess that AlJazeera does not count? How about CNN? Or Reuters?
I think you can find ample evidence of the kind of bias referred to here in the United Nations and the a good deal of the European press. The NYT ran an editorial the other day that was extremely hostile to Israel, of course they are too gutless to actually side with Hamas..they would rather just flap their gums about how Israel is over reacting.
BTW, very few things are actually black and white. But Hamas is black. it really is.
I think Juan Cole would fit into the category of antisemitic liberal.
Here is a professor that might fit the bill of liberal who supports Hamas. . From hourglass
When I asked spokesperson Pranav Jani, Assistant Professor at The Ohio State University (and introduced with some sort of connection with the International Socialist Organization) if Hamas was a terrorist organization, he skirted the issue or applied moral equivalence to the United States. Jani led the chant Long live the Intifada. The first Intifada in the late eighties spawned Hamas. Jana soundly rejects a two state solution to the conflict. He, and it seemed, all the Palestinians and supporters at the rally support a one state solution.
It is a war crime to intentionally place weapons and explosives in and around schools and civilian housing. It is a war crime to use “human shields”. It is a war crime to hide behind little children and fire at an enemy.
It is *not* a war crime to fire back at someone who is shooting at you even if they are in a civilian area. Once a Hamas rocket is launched, the crew and launcher are fair game. If they placed that launcher in a civilian area, they are war criminals and can be tried under international law.
You want some names?
How about headmaster Olav Nielsen of Humlehave School in Odense, Denmark. He is refusing to admit Israeli students because of threats of violence by Muslim students. The Israeli students have done nothing wrong but are refused admission because Muslims threaten criminal activity. They get their way, they get to set the rules by threatening a criminal action while the innocent are penalized.
How about YouTube who allows users to mark video posted by the IDF showing Hamas firing rockets from civilian areas as being “offensive” and pulling the video off the site.
How about the people who vandalized the San Francisco Holocaust Memorial … again. Sorry, they didn’t leave their cards.
Same with the people in Florida who demonstrated chanting for Jews to “get back in the oven”. The despicable cowards didn’t leave their names. Same with the swine who demonstrated in Holland chanting “Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the Gas”.
How about Harry Reid the other day interviewed on Meet The Press when he described the current situation as a “Civil war in Israel”. That moron is in charge of the Senate?
These people didn’t leave their names, either: “Seventy-three percent (73%) of Republicans blame the Palestinians for the war in Gaza, as opposed to 47% of Democrats.”
You have Hamas firing rockets and mortars into Israel for MONTHS and when Israel finally defends herself it is HER fault according to 53% of Democrats? What absolutely disgusting imbeciles!
I am coming to the conclusion that Democrats are not only wrong, they are just plain stupid. That is apparently backed up in many states where they just can’t seem to fill out a ballot correctly.
Read the postings on the “liberal” sites. Those people don’t dare sign their names to their disgusting posts. “Liberal” is the wrong word because their actions are the exact opposite of liberals and go against all liberal philosophy. What does Hamas think about gay rights, women’s rights, freedom of or even freedom from religion? So-called “liberals” are supporting the people who would instantly behead them for their values for no other reason that to simply be against an ally of the US. These people aren’t liberals, these people are idiots.
crosspatch:
According to Zogby the majority of the people who voted for Obama are under the impression that the Republicans control the Congress.
duh. maybe they are stupid.
Terrye:
Here is one thing you and I can agree on: the majority of the American people, no matter who they voted for, are horribly misinformed. How many people thought Saddam Hussein was the architect of the 9/11 attacks, years afterwards?
For as much as I disagree with almost everyone here, I do respect you for at least being interested in these important subjects, and having relevant knowledge about current (and past) events. I don’t even bother to try and discuss most of this, even with members of my own family, because the ignorance is too frustrating.
Oh, and Crosspatch: we also agree that Harry Reid is a moron.
Terrye:
Oh, there’s no doubt Cole is probably the most well known Israeli critic. I disagree with him on any number of subjects.
But I will still challenge you to find a single post where he declares his outright support of Hamas.
Guy:
Oh I doubt that a worm like Cole would declare outright support for Hamas. What he and his ilk will do instead is spend their time and energy harassing Israel. After all, if only the Israelis were nicer people there would be no Hamas. That is their attitude, so all of the sins of Hamas are a product of Israel’s bullying.
So instead of saying that Hamas leaders should be tried for war crimes, even when they commit war crimes, these relativists will just whine on about how it is not all black and white and blah blah blah.
As for the American people being misinformed, I can remember a report done on ABC news back in 1999 called Target America, in which all sorts of connections between Saddam and Osama were laid out in detail. Bush was still the Governor of Texas then, so do not blame him.
I can remember Bill Richardson, the present Governor of New Mexico and former Clinton official explaining that the aspirin factory in the Sudan was bombed because Saddam had people helping AlQaida make VX and they were using that factory. In fact they named Saddam in the 1998 indictment against AlQaida leaders for the embassy bombings in Africa.
I can remember 60 Minutes doing an interview with a man named Yasin back in the late 90’s. He was the one planner of the 93 attack against the World Trade Center who escaped justice. He was in Iraq. He disappeared shortly before the invasion. But then again Abu Nidal, famous terrorists committed suicide (according to Saddam) by shooting himself in the head three times.
And so it goes.
The truth is Saddam was the kind of man who paid other people to do bad things, he rarely tied himself directly to most of his crimes, accept the ones he committed against his own people.
Do I think Saddam was involved in 9/11? I think Saddam had given money and support to the people who were behind 9/11. I doubt if he had any exact knowledge, or wanted the knowledge. I do think that Saddam tried to kill an American president however, and if he had succeeded is there any doubt what his fate would have been?
He also used the UN food for oil program as a slush fund and undermined the sanctions regime. He also kept those programs hidden because he intended to use them again. We still do not know what happened to the weapons he had.
I think that if he had been allowed to survive, he would have started up the programs and thumbed his nose at the world. He would have used his oil, those weapons and his machismo as a big bad Arab leader to go after everyone from Kuwait to Israel to Iran to the United States. Saddam would not have changed and if he had succeeded in defeating the west, every petty dictator out there would have tried the same thing.
Terrye:
You will never get me to say a good word about Saddam Hussein. I actually supported the invasion of Iraq back when it happened, because of three factors:
1) I knew Saddam was an evil person. I read stories of how he would torture the family members (including kids) of his political enemies, right in front of them. After reading that, I was ready to tear his throat out with my own teeth.
2) I trusted what Colin Powell told the UN.
3) I trusted that this administration (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc) had a plan for what to do after Saddam fell.
I now know that my faith in 2 & 3 were horribly misplaced.
And if “their ruler is a bad man” was our only judging point – why don’t we have a military presence right now in Zimbabwe?
Guy:
Oh please. A plan? What plan did Obama have? Oh yeah, do not support the war in Iraq in 2002, do support in 2004, do not support it in 2006…follow the Bush plan in 2008.
I thought we would lose more men in the war, I really did. I do think they had a plan, but so did the enemy and no matter what they had done the enemy would have adapted. One of the great falacies propagated by the left and the media is that with a plan, we can fight a war without things getting nasty.
We lost more men in one day in the Battle of the Bulge than we did in years in Iraq. Saddam killed God only knows how many people. They are still finding mass graves. Bush did what progressives only claim to do, he liberated people.
So, in your opinion, the fact that a State Senator from Illinois (who had voiced his opposition to the invasion) had not laid out a full plan for the post-invasion of Iraq is PERFECTLY EQUIVALENT to the fact than the Administration of the current POTUS had no idea what the hell they were going to do either?
Are you telling me that, at the time of the invasion, if someone had told you that we would still have 140,000 troops in Iraq in January 2009, you would have been perfectly fine with that? Shall I find you the quotes from 2002/2003 where the Bush Admin stated over and over again how “easy” this was going to be?
And if the people of Iraq are truly “liberated”, then please explain to me why our soldiers aren’t all home yet.