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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/810/comment-page-1#comment-1511</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is alleged that this former CIA  VIPS guy, Ray McGovern, has written about classified briefings:

&quot;McGovern&#039;s scathing, penetrating, and meticulous deflowering of the neocon modus operandi vis a vis Iraq was a wonderful start. And just recently, he has written in some detail about the pre-9/11 briefings given to George W. Bush that have been classified and censored. &quot; http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/091703_not_one_night.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is alleged that this former CIA  VIPS guy, Ray McGovern, has written about classified briefings:</p>
<p>&#8220;McGovern&#8217;s scathing, penetrating, and meticulous deflowering of the neocon modus operandi vis a vis Iraq was a wonderful start. And just recently, he has written in some detail about the pre-9/11 briefings given to George W. Bush that have been classified and censored. &#8221; <a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/091703_not_one_night.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/091703_not_one_night.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/810/comment-page-1#comment-1509</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Ray McGovern&#039;s writingas are posted on URUK NET.
That is a pro-terrorist site.

Here is one of his articles
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/oil_15feb.gif&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.uruknet.info/%3Fp%3D9699&amp;h=360&amp;w=250&amp;sz=25&amp;tbnid=4Awj6pNCVSYJ:&amp;tbnh=117&amp;tbnw=81&amp;hl=en&amp;start=19&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3DRay%2BMcGovern%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

McGovern reduces the whole issue to oil. 
Well, McGovern&#039;s article is just really crude propaganda.  

Of course we have to worry when someone like Saddam has the oil wealth of an entire country.

Bush was the guy who finally said we can&#039;t let Saddam have all that oil money to repress his people and buy off foreign politicians and the UN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Ray McGovern&#8217;s writingas are posted on URUK NET.<br />
That is a pro-terrorist site.</p>
<p>Here is one of his articles<br />
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<p>McGovern reduces the whole issue to oil.<br />
Well, McGovern&#8217;s article is just really crude propaganda.  </p>
<p>Of course we have to worry when someone like Saddam has the oil wealth of an entire country.</p>
<p>Bush was the guy who finally said we can&#8217;t let Saddam have all that oil money to repress his people and buy off foreign politicians and the UN.</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/810/comment-page-1#comment-1508</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is this site called VIPS
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity

This guy  Ray McGovern,  made the VIPS site and wrote an article in the terrorist-loving Global Research that gloated that Cheney&#039;s &quot;chickens are coming home to roost&quot; and he  will be indicted  
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&amp;code=MCG20051021&amp;articleId=1131

Ray McGovern, works at some school/church in DC. See his e-mail at the link above.  

This must be  the school. It seems more like political activism than religion. 
http://www.slschool.org/

These have a DC phone number. It seems to be in Adams-Morgan.

&quot;The Church of the Saviour at 202-387-1617 or e-mail us at 
office@surfglobal.net if you would like more information on any aspect of  our churches&#039; lives or join us for the Ecumenical Worship Service, at which  Gordon Cosby usually preaches, at 11:30 a.m. Sunday mornings at 2025  Massachusetts Avenue NW, Washington, D.C.&quot;

Who is this Ray McGovern  guy that we should believe him? A former intelligence guy? 

I have no crystal ball, but my money is on the VEEP not the VIPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is this site called VIPS<br />
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity</a></p>
<p>This guy  Ray McGovern,  made the VIPS site and wrote an article in the terrorist-loving Global Research that gloated that Cheney&#8217;s &#8220;chickens are coming home to roost&#8221; and he  will be indicted<br />
<a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&#038;code=MCG20051021&#038;articleId=1131" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&#038;code=MCG20051021&#038;articleId=1131</a></p>
<p>Ray McGovern, works at some school/church in DC. See his e-mail at the link above.  </p>
<p>This must be  the school. It seems more like political activism than religion.<br />
<a href="http://www.slschool.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slschool.org/</a></p>
<p>These have a DC phone number. It seems to be in Adams-Morgan.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Church of the Saviour at 202-387-1617 or e-mail us at<br />
<a href="mailto:office@surfglobal.net">office@surfglobal.net</a> if you would like more information on any aspect of  our churches&#8217; lives or join us for the Ecumenical Worship Service, at which  Gordon Cosby usually preaches, at 11:30 a.m. Sunday mornings at 2025  Massachusetts Avenue NW, Washington, D.C.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who is this Ray McGovern  guy that we should believe him? A former intelligence guy? </p>
<p>I have no crystal ball, but my money is on the VEEP not the VIPS.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahon</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/810/comment-page-1#comment-1494</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: VIPS. Can anything better symbolize the degree of pretention and self-regard that these people bring to this issue than the name they have chosen for themselves? It may stand for Veteran (something or other), but it&#039;s clear they want us to know they are &quot;very important people.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: VIPS. Can anything better symbolize the degree of pretention and self-regard that these people bring to this issue than the name they have chosen for themselves? It may stand for Veteran (something or other), but it&#8217;s clear they want us to know they are &#8220;very important people.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gumshoe</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/810/comment-page-1#comment-1491</link>
		<dc:creator>gumshoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 04:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not sure why you&#039;re wagging a finger at Fitz,AJ.
can&#039;t say  see it anyways.

Joe W. was blowing so hard on this story (HIS story)
since this thing came outta the gate,
my gut said something was way off.

i&#039;m inclined to believe he and some pals *did* cook it up.

if so,i&#039;m condfident Fitz has been able to uncover that.

___________________

you may wanna correct this line above,AJ:

&quot;Just the opposite. All the information shows the press knew about the Millers before the administration and were calling on the administration to get them to back the Wilson claims.&quot;


think you meant:

&quot;Just the opposite. All the information shows the press knew about *the Wilsons* before the administration, and were calling on the administration to get them to back the Wilson claims.

minor point,perhaps,
but i think it&#039;s the thrust of your whole post here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not sure why you&#8217;re wagging a finger at Fitz,AJ.<br />
can&#8217;t say  see it anyways.</p>
<p>Joe W. was blowing so hard on this story (HIS story)<br />
since this thing came outta the gate,<br />
my gut said something was way off.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m inclined to believe he and some pals *did* cook it up.</p>
<p>if so,i&#8217;m condfident Fitz has been able to uncover that.</p>
<p>___________________</p>
<p>you may wanna correct this line above,AJ:</p>
<p>&#8220;Just the opposite. All the information shows the press knew about the Millers before the administration and were calling on the administration to get them to back the Wilson claims.&#8221;</p>
<p>think you meant:</p>
<p>&#8220;Just the opposite. All the information shows the press knew about *the Wilsons* before the administration, and were calling on the administration to get them to back the Wilson claims.</p>
<p>minor point,perhaps,<br />
but i think it&#8217;s the thrust of your whole post here.</p>
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		<title>By: BurbankErnie</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/810/comment-page-1#comment-1482</link>
		<dc:creator>BurbankErnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Left is Hyperventilating over this story. My word, the entire MSM Plame story is based on &quot;LEAKS&quot;. When a look at the FACTS are taken, it seems clear enough that Fitz has seen what Mac, Tom, AJ, NRO, and every other rational person has seen. 

Wilson lied. Miller, Corn, Plame, VIPS, DNC, Kerry Kamp et al  conspired to overthrow a sitting POTUS in a time of War with misinformation and lies.

MSM and Left spin will not alter Fitz&#039; path IMO. Hardball tonight was especially fun, Matt Cooper was getting tagged by Matthews, along with a cast of talking heads. The Dems seemed to be playing it down some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left is Hyperventilating over this story. My word, the entire MSM Plame story is based on &#8220;LEAKS&#8221;. When a look at the FACTS are taken, it seems clear enough that Fitz has seen what Mac, Tom, AJ, NRO, and every other rational person has seen. </p>
<p>Wilson lied. Miller, Corn, Plame, VIPS, DNC, Kerry Kamp et al  conspired to overthrow a sitting POTUS in a time of War with misinformation and lies.</p>
<p>MSM and Left spin will not alter Fitz&#8217; path IMO. Hardball tonight was especially fun, Matt Cooper was getting tagged by Matthews, along with a cast of talking heads. The Dems seemed to be playing it down some.</p>
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		<title>By: Macmind - Conservative Commentary and Common Sense</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/810/comment-page-1#comment-1481</link>
		<dc:creator>Macmind - Conservative Commentary and Common Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Plame Game: Blowing Wilson&#039;s Cover&lt;/strong&gt;

Since opening the connection, AJStrata has been on a tear connected the dots - If you haven&#039;t yet, read the lastest post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Plame Game: Blowing Wilson&#8217;s Cover</strong></p>
<p>Since opening the connection, AJStrata has been on a tear connected the dots &#8211; If you haven&#8217;t yet, read the lastest post.</p>
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		<title>By: VRWconspiracy</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/810/comment-page-1#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>VRWconspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Levin said tonight on his show that the lawyers he knows in the justice department who know Fitzgerald say that he is top notch -- not a Ronnie Earl type. But we will shortly know about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Levin said tonight on his show that the lawyers he knows in the justice department who know Fitzgerald say that he is top notch &#8212; not a Ronnie Earl type. But we will shortly know about that.</p>
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