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		<title>By: halp</title>
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		<dc:creator>halp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion is that it&#039;s just more of the same only on a bigger scale. That&#039;s what the change has been. Our government has been moving toward socialism for a long time and the tide has only been stemmed for a bit. Until people wake up and do something we can expect more of the same.

And we better protect our wallets because the way this government is going you can expect them to be picking it every day with new tax schemes because their printing press is running at warp speed. Inflation is around the corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is that it&#8217;s just more of the same only on a bigger scale. That&#8217;s what the change has been. Our government has been moving toward socialism for a long time and the tide has only been stemmed for a bit. Until people wake up and do something we can expect more of the same.</p>
<p>And we better protect our wallets because the way this government is going you can expect them to be picking it every day with new tax schemes because their printing press is running at warp speed. Inflation is around the corner.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frogg,

I am not the one out on a purity war - that would be the far right. Who have also succeeded in helping bring this country down.

Problem is they are too damn arrogant to admit their mistakes and blame everyone else but themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frogg,</p>
<p>I am not the one out on a purity war &#8211; that would be the far right. Who have also succeeded in helping bring this country down.</p>
<p>Problem is they are too damn arrogant to admit their mistakes and blame everyone else but themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Frogg</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/8241/comment-page-1#comment-445765</link>
		<dc:creator>Frogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 06:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man&#039;s age-old dream--the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.&quot;
-Ronald Reagan-


I think AJ makes a fight where there doesn&#039;t need to be one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man&#8217;s age-old dream&#8211;the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order &#8212; or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.&#8221;<br />
-Ronald Reagan-</p>
<p>I think AJ makes a fight where there doesn&#8217;t need to be one.</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/8241/comment-page-1#comment-445756</link>
		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What other crap Mark? He campaigned on &quot;No Child Left Behind&quot;,  Social Security reform and immigration reform.  He invited others to work on how they might come about as they were really big issues. He built consensus on most big issues. Now you might call that compromise, I call it smart and democratic. As the President said, he considered himself a &quot;Compassionate Conservative&quot; He said what he was, and he was what he said. I different politician for sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What other crap Mark? He campaigned on &#8220;No Child Left Behind&#8221;,  Social Security reform and immigration reform.  He invited others to work on how they might come about as they were really big issues. He built consensus on most big issues. Now you might call that compromise, I call it smart and democratic. As the President said, he considered himself a &#8220;Compassionate Conservative&#8221; He said what he was, and he was what he said. I different politician for sure!</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What other crap Mark? He campaigned on &quot;No Child Left Behind&quot;,  Social Security reform and immigration reform.  He invited others to work on how they might come about as they were really big issues. He built consensus on most big issues. Now you might call that compromise, I call it smart and democratic. As the President said, he considered himself a &quot;Compassionate Conservative&quot; He said what he was, and he was what he said. I different politician for sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What other crap Mark? He campaigned on &#8220;No Child Left Behind&#8221;,  Social Security reform and immigration reform.  He invited others to work on how they might come about as they were really big issues. He built consensus on most big issues. Now you might call that compromise, I call it smart and democratic. As the President said, he considered himself a &#8220;Compassionate Conservative&#8221; He said what he was, and he was what he said. I different politician for sure!</p>
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		<title>By: Redteam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redteam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush was center.  Right on some things, left on some things and right down the middle on others.  Probably where most people want a pres to be.  Unfortunately, the far lefties were not happy with him and the far righties were not happy with him.  the problem, the far lefties had the media on their side and sold their bill of goods.  Had everyone just judged Bush by what had personally happened to them, he would have about a 70% approval rating.  Unfortunately the middle 70% were persuaded by the far lefties and the media.  
Do I wish he had been farther right?  I don&#039;t know.  For me, yes.  for the country, probably not.  Maybe more right on the economy.  But the president is the president of everyone, not just conservatives and he has to do what&#039;s best for ALL.  give a little, get a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush was center.  Right on some things, left on some things and right down the middle on others.  Probably where most people want a pres to be.  Unfortunately, the far lefties were not happy with him and the far righties were not happy with him.  the problem, the far lefties had the media on their side and sold their bill of goods.  Had everyone just judged Bush by what had personally happened to them, he would have about a 70% approval rating.  Unfortunately the middle 70% were persuaded by the far lefties and the media.<br />
Do I wish he had been farther right?  I don&#8217;t know.  For me, yes.  for the country, probably not.  Maybe more right on the economy.  But the president is the president of everyone, not just conservatives and he has to do what&#8217;s best for ALL.  give a little, get a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Bush was a free marketer as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Bush was a free marketer as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:

Bush was always pro life. As a matter of fact he is socially conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:</p>
<p>Bush was always pro life. As a matter of fact he is socially conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney:

That is not true, most people are not ideologues. In fact most people consider themselves centrists. That is why so many politicians go to the center when they campaign for office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney:</p>
<p>That is not true, most people are not ideologues. In fact most people consider themselves centrists. That is why so many politicians go to the center when they campaign for office.</p>
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		<title>By: ivehadit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivehadit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am praying that our allies (true allies) will surround this administration and take up the slack as well as steer them in the best direction...and protect us as well as handle our enemies for us....as we have done for them in years past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am praying that our allies (true allies) will surround this administration and take up the slack as well as steer them in the best direction&#8230;and protect us as well as handle our enemies for us&#8230;.as we have done for them in years past.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark_for_Senate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark_for_Senate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;as an answer to a failed far right bill of goods&quot;?  Huh?  When in the world have we ever been sold a &quot;far right bill of goods&quot;?  Furthermore, when has ANY &quot;right wing&quot; policy actually failed?  GWB was not &quot;far right&quot; or even &quot;right wing&quot;.  The ONLY thing he did from a conservative view point is lower taxes (which created 8 million jobs) and wage a war against terror (national security).  All the other crap was an ignorant attempt to &#039;change the tone&#039; of Washington politics, and &#039;get along&#039;.  THAT is were the &#039;moderates&#039; fail, to the detriment of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;as an answer to a failed far right bill of goods&#8221;?  Huh?  When in the world have we ever been sold a &#8220;far right bill of goods&#8221;?  Furthermore, when has ANY &#8220;right wing&#8221; policy actually failed?  GWB was not &#8220;far right&#8221; or even &#8220;right wing&#8221;.  The ONLY thing he did from a conservative view point is lower taxes (which created 8 million jobs) and wage a war against terror (national security).  All the other crap was an ignorant attempt to &#8216;change the tone&#8217; of Washington politics, and &#8216;get along&#8217;.  THAT is were the &#8216;moderates&#8217; fail, to the detriment of all.</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/8241/comment-page-1#comment-445739</link>
		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone should read this, it is found at the &quot;American Thinker&quot;, these are my fears and many like me who love this country and cherish our freedoms.  THIS IS WHAT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT WHEN I THINK OF AN OBAMA AGENDA.

Obama and the Triumph of the Fabians
Michael Filozof
Barack Obama is following a path to power first traveled by the British Fabians. The parallels have much to teach us. More</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone should read this, it is found at the &#8220;American Thinker&#8221;, these are my fears and many like me who love this country and cherish our freedoms.  THIS IS WHAT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT WHEN I THINK OF AN OBAMA AGENDA.</p>
<p>Obama and the Triumph of the Fabians<br />
Michael Filozof<br />
Barack Obama is following a path to power first traveled by the British Fabians. The parallels have much to teach us. More</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Graves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually...

&lt;i&gt;Stuck in the Middle&lt;/i&gt; was by Stealer&#039;s Wheel, vocals by Gerry Rafferty.  Written by J. Egan and Gerry Rafferty.

That nit aside...

When in our history has the United States not been subject to the political pendulum sweeping first one way and then another?  As well complain that water is wet or demand that the tides cease ebbing and flowing.

Centrism cannot govern effectively.

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Centrism cannot govern because it cannot please enough of the electorate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Stuck in the Middle</i> was by Stealer&#8217;s Wheel, vocals by Gerry Rafferty.  Written by J. Egan and Gerry Rafferty.</p>
<p>That nit aside&#8230;</p>
<p>When in our history has the United States not been subject to the political pendulum sweeping first one way and then another?  As well complain that water is wet or demand that the tides cease ebbing and flowing.</p>
<p>Centrism cannot govern effectively.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Centrism cannot govern because it cannot please enough of the electorate.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the anti-industrialist greens that I have met (there are quite a few here in the SF Bay area) seem to be either people from wealthy families who live off a trust fund, don&#039;t need to work for a living, and spend their time as &quot;activists&quot; for the cause du jour. Or they are very poor with no skills living in some community living arrangement in a warehouse someplace where enough of them find some odd job or another delivering pizza or something so the rent gets paid at least two months out of three.

In other words, the ones cheering the demise of our economy basically either have no investment in it, or they aren&#039;t fully aware of their investment in it until their trust fund is gone.  I have yet to meet a hard working person with kids who has worked their way from nothing who wants to see the economy fail.

I would take that green anti-industrialism with a grain of salt as it emanates from a very small, albeit very vocal, group of people.  In fact, Sweden has decided to crank their nuclear program back up and Germany is giving their decision to shut down their nuclear program a second look.  Other countries in Europe have also vowed to restart or expand their nuclear energy programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the anti-industrialist greens that I have met (there are quite a few here in the SF Bay area) seem to be either people from wealthy families who live off a trust fund, don&#8217;t need to work for a living, and spend their time as &#8220;activists&#8221; for the cause du jour. Or they are very poor with no skills living in some community living arrangement in a warehouse someplace where enough of them find some odd job or another delivering pizza or something so the rent gets paid at least two months out of three.</p>
<p>In other words, the ones cheering the demise of our economy basically either have no investment in it, or they aren&#8217;t fully aware of their investment in it until their trust fund is gone.  I have yet to meet a hard working person with kids who has worked their way from nothing who wants to see the economy fail.</p>
<p>I would take that green anti-industrialism with a grain of salt as it emanates from a very small, albeit very vocal, group of people.  In fact, Sweden has decided to crank their nuclear program back up and Germany is giving their decision to shut down their nuclear program a second look.  Other countries in Europe have also vowed to restart or expand their nuclear energy programs.</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some thoughts.......

LOGIC is found some where in the middle, not on the left or right, this is why rushing is a bad idea, cutting off debate is a bad idea, using strawmen and political lies are bad ideas. Bad ideas because rushing or cutting off debate cuts off logic and middle of the road solutions. 

Let&#039;s take the war in Iraq as an example. There was plenty of discussion, there was the opportunity to look at very secretive intelligence (6 members looked at it), there was Powell spending 3 days and nights at CIA, there was the discussion in both houses of congress as well as the UN.  One and a half years passed before operations started. Many influential politicians voted for the war including Hillary Clinton, Rockerfeller, and others. We went to war. It was tough. Bush was reelected because Americans wanted to win and we as a people had input through discussion and being exposed to the process. The Democrats in the interest of politics pretended through lies and claiming a rush to judgment that they never supported the ill-founded war.  We the people reelected Bush because we were part of the discussion, and we knew what was true. 

Obama claims that he wants to fundamentally change the way America functions. He wants to expand medical care to all those who have problems paying for medical insurance and help businesses by taking over medical insurance for those companies. 
He wants to save the planet by supporting solar and wind energy as our primary source of energy to replace oil. He suggest the way to afford these changes is to tax the rich, those earning $250,000 a year and I might add by cutting defense spending. He pushed an emergency spending bill of $867 billion as a down payment, little discussion, and I might add tons of lies.  It has brought the far left and right in droves both exaggerating positions and scare mongering bigger then the next side to make a point. 

If we are going to go to war or fundamentally change the countries financial structure then every point needs discussion at length. Many don&#039;t like &quot;no child left behind&quot;, or drugs being added to Medicare, but nobody can claim they were not part of the discussion or that they were not bipartisan. 

So I think the way to quiet the two extremes is to find the logical middle and allow us to participate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>LOGIC is found some where in the middle, not on the left or right, this is why rushing is a bad idea, cutting off debate is a bad idea, using strawmen and political lies are bad ideas. Bad ideas because rushing or cutting off debate cuts off logic and middle of the road solutions. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take the war in Iraq as an example. There was plenty of discussion, there was the opportunity to look at very secretive intelligence (6 members looked at it), there was Powell spending 3 days and nights at CIA, there was the discussion in both houses of congress as well as the UN.  One and a half years passed before operations started. Many influential politicians voted for the war including Hillary Clinton, Rockerfeller, and others. We went to war. It was tough. Bush was reelected because Americans wanted to win and we as a people had input through discussion and being exposed to the process. The Democrats in the interest of politics pretended through lies and claiming a rush to judgment that they never supported the ill-founded war.  We the people reelected Bush because we were part of the discussion, and we knew what was true. </p>
<p>Obama claims that he wants to fundamentally change the way America functions. He wants to expand medical care to all those who have problems paying for medical insurance and help businesses by taking over medical insurance for those companies.<br />
He wants to save the planet by supporting solar and wind energy as our primary source of energy to replace oil. He suggest the way to afford these changes is to tax the rich, those earning $250,000 a year and I might add by cutting defense spending. He pushed an emergency spending bill of $867 billion as a down payment, little discussion, and I might add tons of lies.  It has brought the far left and right in droves both exaggerating positions and scare mongering bigger then the next side to make a point. </p>
<p>If we are going to go to war or fundamentally change the countries financial structure then every point needs discussion at length. Many don&#8217;t like &#8220;no child left behind&#8221;, or drugs being added to Medicare, but nobody can claim they were not part of the discussion or that they were not bipartisan. </p>
<p>So I think the way to quiet the two extremes is to find the logical middle and allow us to participate.</p>
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