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		<title>By: dhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>dhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we could slip a line in the next bill making Rush president and and making President Pinnochio a wooden puppet instead of a real boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we could slip a line in the next bill making Rush president and and making President Pinnochio a wooden puppet instead of a real boy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the smartest man ever to reside at the White House knew that his grandstanding was all about appealing to the leftist can&#039;t-kill-&#039;em-fast-enough crowd and nothing of substance really changed.

I like post-partisan America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the smartest man ever to reside at the White House knew that his grandstanding was all about appealing to the leftist can&#8217;t-kill-&#8217;em-fast-enough crowd and nothing of substance really changed.</p>
<p>I like post-partisan America.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reversal That Isn&#8217;t &#124; Lean Left</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reversal That Isn&#8217;t &#124; Lean Left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] winger blogs are all a-twitter over a story notingÂ  that the Omnibus Budget bill that was (finally) just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sufficient Scruples &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Reversal That Isn&#8217;t</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sufficient Scruples &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Reversal That Isn&#8217;t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] winger blogs are all a-twitter over a story noting that the Omnibus Budget bill that was (finally) just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I should also state the obvious, that our former president Clinton &quot;also&quot; does not know what &#039;sex&#039; is.  So, given that, he may not fully understand how people get pregnant and what that means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should also state the obvious, that our former president Clinton &#8220;also&#8221; does not know what &#8216;sex&#8217; is.  So, given that, he may not fully understand how people get pregnant and what that means.</p>
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		<title>By: Dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Common scientific &quot;theory&quot; /argument by proponents of the use of embryos for stem cell research is that &quot;adult&quot; stem cells do not have the plasticity of embryonic stem cells because they a) have already been genetically formed/advanced more so than embryonic cells and b) reprogramming them to other types (ie., plasticity) causes cell mutations (like cancers). 

From what little I know from the testing they have done with embryonic cells, they &quot;also&quot; have the same problems of cell mutations regarding plasticity. Further, I&#039;ve not seen any evidence, other than theory, that these cells have some advantage in that regard.  I remain open to such evidence...but it will take more than argument.  

Lastly, this issue seems to follow the same disturbing trend of well organized and coordinated misinformation at the highest levels that other &quot;pet&quot; liberal causes take.  That means being &quot;on message&quot;.  Part of that message apparently is that &quot;embryos&quot; are not fertilized eggs containing DNA of both a mother and father that is beyond zygote stage and has the potential if taken to term of becoming a human being. 

Here is our former Pres. Clinton, with Dr. Gupta asserting no less than 6 times that embryonic stem cell research is only done with eggs that have not been fertilized which have no potential to become human beings.  Gupta sets him up, and never corrects him. 

From CNN: :Larry King Live Stem Cell Research
Interview with Bill Clinton (Dr. Gupta)

    Gupta: Letâ€™s talk about something you talked a lot about in the early part of your presidency, stem cells. There was an order today providing federal money for embryonic stem cell research. First of all, let me just ask you, as someone who studied this, is this going to always be as divisive an issue as it is now? Is this going to be the abortion of the next generation? Or are people going to come around?

    Clinton: I think - the answer is I think that weâ€™ll work it through. If - particularly if itâ€™s done right. If itâ€™s obvious that weâ€™re not taking embryos that can - that under any conceivable scenario would be used for a process that would allow them to be fertilized and become little babies, and I think if itâ€™s obvious that weâ€™re not talking about some science fiction cloning of human beings, then I think the American people will support thisâ€¦.

    Gupta: Any reservations?

    Clinton: I donâ€™t know that I have any reservations, but I was - he has apparently decided to leave to the relevant professional committees the definition of which frozen embryos are basically going to be discarded, because theyâ€™re not going to be fertilized. I believe the American people believe itâ€™s a pro-life decision to use an embryo thatâ€™s frozen and never going to be fertilized for embryonic stem cell researchâ€¦.

    But those committees need to be really careful to make sure if they donâ€™t want a big storm to be stirred up here, that any of the embryos that are used clearly have been placed beyond the pale of being fertilized before their use. There are a large number of embryos that we know are never going to be fertilized, where the people who are in control of them have made that clear. The research ought to be confined to thoseâ€¦.

    But there are values involved that we all ought to feel free to discuss in all scientific research. And that is the one thing that I think these committees need to make it clear that theyâ€™re not going to fool with any embryos where thereâ€™s any possibility, even if itâ€™s somewhat remote, that they could be fertilized and become human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common scientific &#8220;theory&#8221; /argument by proponents of the use of embryos for stem cell research is that &#8220;adult&#8221; stem cells do not have the plasticity of embryonic stem cells because they a) have already been genetically formed/advanced more so than embryonic cells and b) reprogramming them to other types (ie., plasticity) causes cell mutations (like cancers). </p>
<p>From what little I know from the testing they have done with embryonic cells, they &#8220;also&#8221; have the same problems of cell mutations regarding plasticity. Further, I&#8217;ve not seen any evidence, other than theory, that these cells have some advantage in that regard.  I remain open to such evidence&#8230;but it will take more than argument.  </p>
<p>Lastly, this issue seems to follow the same disturbing trend of well organized and coordinated misinformation at the highest levels that other &#8220;pet&#8221; liberal causes take.  That means being &#8220;on message&#8221;.  Part of that message apparently is that &#8220;embryos&#8221; are not fertilized eggs containing DNA of both a mother and father that is beyond zygote stage and has the potential if taken to term of becoming a human being. </p>
<p>Here is our former Pres. Clinton, with Dr. Gupta asserting no less than 6 times that embryonic stem cell research is only done with eggs that have not been fertilized which have no potential to become human beings.  Gupta sets him up, and never corrects him. </p>
<p>From CNN: :Larry King Live Stem Cell Research<br />
Interview with Bill Clinton (Dr. Gupta)</p>
<p>    Gupta: Letâ€™s talk about something you talked a lot about in the early part of your presidency, stem cells. There was an order today providing federal money for embryonic stem cell research. First of all, let me just ask you, as someone who studied this, is this going to always be as divisive an issue as it is now? Is this going to be the abortion of the next generation? Or are people going to come around?</p>
<p>    Clinton: I think &#8211; the answer is I think that weâ€™ll work it through. If &#8211; particularly if itâ€™s done right. If itâ€™s obvious that weâ€™re not taking embryos that can &#8211; that under any conceivable scenario would be used for a process that would allow them to be fertilized and become little babies, and I think if itâ€™s obvious that weâ€™re not talking about some science fiction cloning of human beings, then I think the American people will support thisâ€¦.</p>
<p>    Gupta: Any reservations?</p>
<p>    Clinton: I donâ€™t know that I have any reservations, but I was &#8211; he has apparently decided to leave to the relevant professional committees the definition of which frozen embryos are basically going to be discarded, because theyâ€™re not going to be fertilized. I believe the American people believe itâ€™s a pro-life decision to use an embryo thatâ€™s frozen and never going to be fertilized for embryonic stem cell researchâ€¦.</p>
<p>    But those committees need to be really careful to make sure if they donâ€™t want a big storm to be stirred up here, that any of the embryos that are used clearly have been placed beyond the pale of being fertilized before their use. There are a large number of embryos that we know are never going to be fertilized, where the people who are in control of them have made that clear. The research ought to be confined to thoseâ€¦.</p>
<p>    But there are values involved that we all ought to feel free to discuss in all scientific research. And that is the one thing that I think these committees need to make it clear that theyâ€™re not going to fool with any embryos where thereâ€™s any possibility, even if itâ€™s somewhat remote, that they could be fertilized and become human beings.</p>
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