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		<title>By: conman</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/8349/comment-page-1#comment-448468</link>
		<dc:creator>conman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;m fairly certain that nobody will remember or point it out on this blog, I also think it is fair to point out that Bush and the GOP were dead set against any limitations on executive compensation when TARP was being considered.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/18/flashback-it-was-bush-gop_n_176442.html  So the Republicans expressing outrage over AIG are just as hypocritical as the Democrats.  

With that being said, Obama promised &quot;change&quot; and his administration&#039;s involvement in the executive compensation exemption and attempt to hide their involvement is hardly the kind of change he promised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m fairly certain that nobody will remember or point it out on this blog, I also think it is fair to point out that Bush and the GOP were dead set against any limitations on executive compensation when TARP was being considered.  <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/18/flashback-it-was-bush-gop_n_176442.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/18/flashback-it-was-bush-gop_n_176442.html</a>  So the Republicans expressing outrage over AIG are just as hypocritical as the Democrats.  </p>
<p>With that being said, Obama promised &#8220;change&#8221; and his administration&#8217;s involvement in the executive compensation exemption and attempt to hide their involvement is hardly the kind of change he promised.</p>
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		<title>By: conman</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/8349/comment-page-1#comment-448465</link>
		<dc:creator>conman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to prove to you all that I&#039;m not an Obama/partisan hack that ignores or attempts to justify his mistakes just because he is a Democrat, unlike AJ and many on this site continually did for Bush when he was president, I think the blame for the executive compensation amendment rest squarely on the Obama adminsitration, not Dodd.  Dodd&#039;s original amendment did not include any exceptions.  It was Tim Geithner and Larry Summers who protested and pressured Dodd to make it prospective so it didn&#039;t apply retroactively to existing contracts.   
Dodd even claims he didn&#039;t add or know about the exception, the truth of which is still unclear.  Regardless of what Dodd actually knew about, the Obama administration is unfairly attempting to blame Dodd for something that Treasury pushed.   

Here is a link to a good Salon post on this issue.  Yes, I know you normally don&#039;t read anything from Salon because you assume anyone that doesn&#039;t agree 100% with your ideology is a lair, but you really ought to read this piece because it actually says what you want to hear.  http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/17/dodd/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to prove to you all that I&#8217;m not an Obama/partisan hack that ignores or attempts to justify his mistakes just because he is a Democrat, unlike AJ and many on this site continually did for Bush when he was president, I think the blame for the executive compensation amendment rest squarely on the Obama adminsitration, not Dodd.  Dodd&#8217;s original amendment did not include any exceptions.  It was Tim Geithner and Larry Summers who protested and pressured Dodd to make it prospective so it didn&#8217;t apply retroactively to existing contracts.<br />
Dodd even claims he didn&#8217;t add or know about the exception, the truth of which is still unclear.  Regardless of what Dodd actually knew about, the Obama administration is unfairly attempting to blame Dodd for something that Treasury pushed.   </p>
<p>Here is a link to a good Salon post on this issue.  Yes, I know you normally don&#8217;t read anything from Salon because you assume anyone that doesn&#8217;t agree 100% with your ideology is a lair, but you really ought to read this piece because it actually says what you want to hear.  <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/17/dodd/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/17/dodd/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: OLDPUPPYMAX</title>
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		<dc:creator>OLDPUPPYMAX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;After all, it&#039;s OUR money!&quot;  AHHH! That&#039;s where you are making your mistake. Money does not belong to those who earn it. Money belongs to Big Brother. Money and everything else of any value. We as American citizens are simply given the privilege of using that money for a certain period of time...until tax day, for example.  For crying out loud, wise up!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After all, it&#8217;s OUR money!&#8221;  AHHH! That&#8217;s where you are making your mistake. Money does not belong to those who earn it. Money belongs to Big Brother. Money and everything else of any value. We as American citizens are simply given the privilege of using that money for a certain period of time&#8230;until tax day, for example.  For crying out loud, wise up!!</p>
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		<title>By: WWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathie - look at the obvious corrolary to what you and others have just stated.  Yes, AIG insures Europe and the rest of the world against failure.  

By taking ownership, the US Govm&#039;t is now insuring Europe and the rest of the world against failure.  You - the US Taxpayer - is now insuring the rest of the world against failure. 

Insurance depends on recieving premiums first - the taxpayers have recieved nothing but liabilities.  This is a deal in which the US taxpayer is *GUARANTEED* to lose.  There is no possible set of circumstances in which this works out well for taxpayers - which is why the only viable course of action for the government is to continue to lie about just how big the liabilities are.  

And look at Europe - they are in worse shape than we are, and their institutions are continuing to fail.  US Taxpayers are now on the hook for ALL of the failures world wide!!!

How long do you think you can keep paying this bill???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathie &#8211; look at the obvious corrolary to what you and others have just stated.  Yes, AIG insures Europe and the rest of the world against failure.  </p>
<p>By taking ownership, the US Govm&#8217;t is now insuring Europe and the rest of the world against failure.  You &#8211; the US Taxpayer &#8211; is now insuring the rest of the world against failure. </p>
<p>Insurance depends on recieving premiums first &#8211; the taxpayers have recieved nothing but liabilities.  This is a deal in which the US taxpayer is *GUARANTEED* to lose.  There is no possible set of circumstances in which this works out well for taxpayers &#8211; which is why the only viable course of action for the government is to continue to lie about just how big the liabilities are.  </p>
<p>And look at Europe &#8211; they are in worse shape than we are, and their institutions are continuing to fail.  US Taxpayers are now on the hook for ALL of the failures world wide!!!</p>
<p>How long do you think you can keep paying this bill???</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If AIG failed, the entire world&#039;s economy would fail, this is why it was saved, this is why there is not a 1932. Obama is so stupid that he used this crisis to push all the other billions in domestic spending without telling the people the importance of the bank bailout. My question is how is he going to give more to the banks now that he has stoked the hatred for Wall Street. I hope he has a plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If AIG failed, the entire world&#8217;s economy would fail, this is why it was saved, this is why there is not a 1932. Obama is so stupid that he used this crisis to push all the other billions in domestic spending without telling the people the importance of the bank bailout. My question is how is he going to give more to the banks now that he has stoked the hatred for Wall Street. I hope he has a plan.</p>
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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#187; AIG Paid Obama Donations</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#187; AIG Paid Obama Donations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] President by paying over $100 grand. Then President Obama gets into office and he and Senator Dodd (who also got paid over $100 grand by AIG) fork over billions of dollars of OUR money to AIG, who then pays out million dollar bonuses to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] President by paying over $100 grand. Then President Obama gets into office and he and Senator Dodd (who also got paid over $100 grand by AIG) fork over billions of dollars of OUR money to AIG, who then pays out million dollar bonuses to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WWS:

I would be hard to disappear.



I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WWS:</p>
<p>I would be hard to disappear.</p>
<p>I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/8349/comment-page-1#comment-448337</link>
		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the article I linked above:

&quot;AIG Europe says that it provides insurance to more than 85 percent of the European companies on the European FT 500,&quot;

So if AIG failed, so would Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article I linked above:</p>
<p>&#8220;AIG Europe says that it provides insurance to more than 85 percent of the European companies on the European FT 500,&#8221;</p>
<p>So if AIG failed, so would Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BarbaraS, not only that, had AIG cratered, so would most of Europe. AIG is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/17/business/aigeurope.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;big player there&lt;/a&gt; aside from owning Manchester United.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BarbaraS, not only that, had AIG cratered, so would most of Europe. AIG is a <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/17/business/aigeurope.php" rel="nofollow">big player there</a> aside from owning Manchester United.</p>
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		<title>By: BarbaraS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarbaraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if anyone on this board realizes that AIG is holding almost all the 403-B retirement savings.  403-Bs are the same pretty much as 401-Ks-retirement savings for the non-profits.  If AIG had been allowed to fail mega people would have lost their retirement savings.  Or should I say more we have already lost.

The reason Citi, Bank of America and Wells Fargo had an upswing is that they are charging their customers extremely high interest rates.  They should NOT be patted on the back for this.  They are a big part of the problem with the economy doing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if anyone on this board realizes that AIG is holding almost all the 403-B retirement savings.  403-Bs are the same pretty much as 401-Ks-retirement savings for the non-profits.  If AIG had been allowed to fail mega people would have lost their retirement savings.  Or should I say more we have already lost.</p>
<p>The reason Citi, Bank of America and Wells Fargo had an upswing is that they are charging their customers extremely high interest rates.  They should NOT be patted on the back for this.  They are a big part of the problem with the economy doing this.</p>
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		<title>By: WWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t ask too much about that investigation, Terry.  We don&#039;t want you to be &quot;disappeared&quot; anytime soon.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t ask too much about that investigation, Terry.  We don&#8217;t want you to be &#8220;disappeared&#8221; anytime soon.  <img src='http://strata-sphere.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theanchoressonline.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; The Anchoress &lt;/a&gt;:

Similarly, two weeks ago, Citi was said to be â€œin very bad shape.â€ This bad shape was the reason for another infusion of bailout money in February. Their stock price below $1.25 per share. And, now suddenly, Citi reports a $6.8B profit for January and February. Both Bank of America and Wells Fargo are hinting at similar good news on their balance sheets. (A pal at WF has said theyâ€™re still working lots of overtime like it was last October.) Something is not right. Also, the Bush DOJ had begun a criminal inquiry in December/January to determine who began the electronic run of $550B last September. Since the change in administration, the investigation seems to have fallen out of sight.

Plenty of â€œhmmm â€¦â€ at play.

**************

Does anyone know anything about this investigation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this over at <a href="http://www.theanchoressonline.com" rel="nofollow"> The Anchoress </a>:</p>
<p>Similarly, two weeks ago, Citi was said to be â€œin very bad shape.â€ This bad shape was the reason for another infusion of bailout money in February. Their stock price below $1.25 per share. And, now suddenly, Citi reports a $6.8B profit for January and February. Both Bank of America and Wells Fargo are hinting at similar good news on their balance sheets. (A pal at WF has said theyâ€™re still working lots of overtime like it was last October.) Something is not right. Also, the Bush DOJ had begun a criminal inquiry in December/January to determine who began the electronic run of $550B last September. Since the change in administration, the investigation seems to have fallen out of sight.</p>
<p>Plenty of â€œhmmm â€¦â€ at play.</p>
<p>**************</p>
<p>Does anyone know anything about this investigation?</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is just typical of the entire subprime lending issue. It was the Democrats who pushed that too, because they were more interested in cheap housing than they were  balancing the books. They say one thing and do another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is just typical of the entire subprime lending issue. It was the Democrats who pushed that too, because they were more interested in cheap housing than they were  balancing the books. They say one thing and do another.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, Dodd is trying to play both sides of the fence.  He crafts legislation that forces AIG to pay the bonuses, then raises holy heck about them when it comes time to pay them.

I believe Dodd is in serious trouble with his voters.  Thankfully, he isn&#039;t likely to be around after his current term expires.  There is plenty of grease already on that rail out of Washington.

The Democrats better do their damage while they still can because they aren&#039;t long for being in control in DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, Dodd is trying to play both sides of the fence.  He crafts legislation that forces AIG to pay the bonuses, then raises holy heck about them when it comes time to pay them.</p>
<p>I believe Dodd is in serious trouble with his voters.  Thankfully, he isn&#8217;t likely to be around after his current term expires.  There is plenty of grease already on that rail out of Washington.</p>
<p>The Democrats better do their damage while they still can because they aren&#8217;t long for being in control in DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Necromancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Necromancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire administration is a disaster. Happening. Along with the all the congress critters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire administration is a disaster. Happening. Along with the all the congress critters.</p>
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