Apr 19 2009

When Extreme Right And Extreme Left Meet

I am proud to host some of the smartest readers here at the Strata-Sphere. They constantly remind this humble centrist American that this country is best run from the  bottom up, and no one voice should override the collective will of the people.

One such reader (trust me, most who comment here are in this category) is SBD. He has discovered something that should put this DHS mess in perspective, and hopefully get the drama queens off the stage. What SBD found was another threat to the country, this time a very, very dangerous one who was ‘linked’ to white supremacists, but also held socialist views (which is not as much of a conflict as it seems). Here is his discovery and it is a truly scary and disturbing threat, one that would rival 9-11 – and it is definitely home grown:

Discovery of Radiological Dispersal Device Components, Literature, and Radioactive Material at the Maine Residence of an Identified Deceased US Person On 9 December 2008, radiological dispersal device components and literature, and radioactive materials, were discovered at the Maine residence of an identified deceased USPER James Cummings. Cummings had possible ties to white supremacist groups.

On 9 December 2008, four one-gallon containers of 35 percent hydrogen peroxide, lithium metal, thermite, aluminum powder, beryllium, boron, black iron oxide, and magnesium ribbon were discovered at the Cummings’ residence. (FBI comments: Literature on constructing ‘dirty bombs’; information referring to cesium-137, strontium-90, and cobalt-60; and possible evidence linking James ((Cummings)) to white supremacist groups were also discovered.)

Amber ((Cummings)) indicated James was very upset with Barack Obama being elected President. She indicated James had been in contact with ‘white supremacist group(s)’.

Amber also indicated James mixed chemicals in the kitchen sink at their residence and had mentioned ‘dirty bombs’. (Source comment: State authorities detected radiation emissions in four small jars in the residence labeled ‘uranium metal’, as well as one jar labeled ‘thorium.’ The four jars of uranium carried the label of an identified US company.)

An application for membership in the National Socialist Movement, which had been completed by James Cummings was discovered.

Is a socialist movement far left or far right? Well, if the movement believes in one religion and whites only then it easily could be seen as right or left, as SBD notes:

The official group for the National Socialist Freedom Movement. The National Socialist Freedom Movement was the ORIGINAL National Socialist Movement. OUR RACE IS OUR NATION AND RELIGION!! WE REFUSE TO BE DIVIDED OR CORRUPTED BY RELIGION!! THIS GROUP IS POLITICAL. WE SUPPORT THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE AND ARE LAW ABIDING. The NSLF (Party Main Office) NSM. POB 8226 Tulsa, Ok 74101 White Peoples Message 918- 835 – 3311 Umbrella group for the Uniformed Divisions- National Socialist Movement (www.nsm88.org) Be warned- most of the people in this group are educated and are well aware that ALL of Christ- ianity is JEWISH (THIS ALSO INCLUDES WHAT IS KNOWN AS “CHRISTIAN IDENTITY”) and is a JEWISH TOOL to destroy our Aryan Folk, who were originally PAGAN. Any posts made to this group supporting Christianity will be deleted. FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO BE ACTIVE SUPPORTERS – Visit the FILES section for this E GROUP – pictures, app- lications, documents, booklets, foldouts, materials avai- lable, AUDIO DISKS – PROPAGANDA MATERIALS – REMEMBER, WHETHER IN UNIFORM OR NOT – AGITATE! EDUCATE! ORGANIZE!

Here is more on the incident. But what this tells me is the DHS has every reason to watch extremist groups left and right. A dirty bomb (or worse, bombs) ignited at the President Obama’s massively attended inauguration would have been devastating. And if the casualties included our new young President and other leaders in attendance this would be the worst strategic attack in our nation’s history.

Whether extreme left as infiltrating or simply moving onto common ground with the extreme right is not important. The fevered swamps out there are gray and hazy anyway. These movements are producing some truly sick results. If conservatives are insane enough to claim to be the same as these nuts they deserve to be looked into. Because a declaration to ‘be one’ with these whackos means you have declared yourself a potential risk to the rest of us, or you may know are harbor a risk.

Look, this threat was not detected, it was accidentally exposed when the wife realized her husband was an out of control, wealthy (inheritance) nut job. If not for her we might have had a horrible disaster playing out on the DC Mall last January. Thankfully, fate once more stepped in and saved this nation. But we need to be vigilant, and we need to remember al Qaeda would love to enlist an army of Cummings from the extreme left and right to do their dirty work for them. And there are plenty of possible candidates out there.

Which is why DHS is credible in its concern, and the conservative movement has lost all credibility claiming they are victims of this vigilance. 

Addendum: For all those angry with me on the right, let me remind them once again - I am being fair and consistent, now that the right is doing to DHS what the left did to the NSA. The fact conservatives sunk into this muckraking, faux victim mode is not my fault. And no one should have been foolish enough to think I would not hold everyone to the same standards as I did with the lunatic left. That just shows how bad off the right is, now that they more and more mimic the worst of the left.

20 responses so far

20 Responses to “When Extreme Right And Extreme Left Meet”

  1. Redteam says:

    But what this tells me is the DHS has every reason to watch extremist groups left and right.

    Can’t disagree with that, so why did they ONLY focus on everyday, church going type white people?

    It’s strange that all the things ascribed to Cummings is typical of things that are usually associated with left wing extremists, but since he’s white, as is bill ayers, he’s labeled as ‘possible’ right wing.

    and since someone found a ‘completed’ application (note: it is not clear that it was a ‘submitted’ or ‘accepted’ application) he is immediately labeled as ‘associated’ with a right wing group.

    Well, at least he completed an application, (which apparently he never submitted since it was still there) even Timothy McVeigh is not known to have done that.

    I’m not right wing, and I damn sure am not in favor or supportive of nuts doing violent things to get their way.  But I am also not in favor of liberals that have long been ‘associated ‘ with left wing extremists and are now running the government, now suddenly labeling everyone that is white and disagrees with them as ‘right wing extremists’ and/or ‘right wing terrorists’.

    but since we are suddenly now all experts on who’s left and who’s right. Let’s determine if the group that Cummings was ‘associated’ with is ‘right’ or ‘left’.
    Well, first they say they are ‘anti-Christian’, that’s definitely a trademark of ‘left wing’
    Let’s say they are lying about that, that’s left-wing
    They say they are socialist, that’s left wing
    they say they are for separation of church and state, that’s left wing.

    Now let’s list all the things that make them ‘right wing’
    they’re white
    and, uh, uh well people complete applications to join. (but don’t necessarily submit)
    that’s about it.

  2. AJStrata says:

    Redteam,

    you are such an idiot I may have to ban you for being stupid.

    We all know there have been many other reports which cover left and rightwing nuts. We all know most of these are not public.

    So, now that you have made the idiotic charge DHS is ignoring the leftwing threats I presume you have irrefutable evidence?

    Let me make clear your situation here. You have slandered the defenders of this nation, who work tirelessly to make you safe. Either you show solid proof (no conjecture, no assumptions, smoking gun tight) or you apologize to these good people you could not hold a candle to.

    No apology and you are out of here. I will not let your racist bile sully this site.

  3. Redteam says:

    First to the ‘true defenders of this nation’, who work tirelessy to make me safe, and you know who you are, if you believe that anything I said applied to you, I sincerely apologize.

    Then, “to these good people you could not hold a candle to.”
    I am a US Navy veteran with an honorable discharge and I am a former employee of DHS, now retired.
    I voluntarily enlisted in both of those enterprises.
    I am actually a ‘true defender of this nation who has worked tirelessly to ensure that you enjoy the freedom to write insults to the people who write objections to radical politicians taking control of some of those governments functions and using that control to label people that have served the country as right wing terrorists. I’ve never read that you were a veteran or worked for anyone such as DHS to defend this country, but I don’t use that as a guage of your loyalty and sure don’t question your love of the country and fully defend your right to ban readers of your blog for expressing their opinions.

    I don’t understand why, but defend your right to defend those politicians that put out a report where they deliberately exclude info (such as cummings was a socialist) because it didn’t serve their purpose. but did include a deliberate lie (that McVeigh joined or was associated with groups) which did serve their purpose.
    It was their report that threw in the racism by attempting to link him(cummings) to a ‘white-supremist’ group, I only pointed it out.

    I’m not a racist and I don’t throw the label around. The only comments I’ve made about racism are in response to racist comments, such as pointing out that Garofolo is racist in her diatribe.

    As for me being an idiot, as I’ve said many times, I agree fully with your posts on global warming, religion, and several other things, so I’ll take credit there for at least not being an idiot when I’m supporting your positions.

    I’m pretty sure we don’t disagree on the intent of the DHS or FBI to protect the country, just some of the politicians that are now producing some of their reports for purely political reasons.

    Is this suitable?

  4. kathie says:

    Actually I’m really sick and tired of deception, of hate, of personal destruction, of pointing fingers, of denigration.

    I’m sick and tired of politicians proclaiming one thing which is plausible, but the back story is an underhanded power move. Hoping that real Americans won’t get it until the scam is well entrenched.

    I am sick and tired of the politics of personal destruction weather right of left. Any smart politician should know that if you want to make someone the fall guy for every imagined ill that has befallen us, rake them personally over the coals, call them a terrorist, Hitler, incompetent, stupid, denigrate everything that was done as the leader of this Nation, you will get the same treatment back, because you opened the door. To sanctmoniously, pretend otherwise, claiming the moral high ground is pathetic and unwise. It brings Americans into the street.

    I’m sick and tired of politicians proclaiming new policies that are looking forward when their public spring board is obviously what was done in the past.

    When people are being lied to for political power they become angry and irrational, often not knowing exactly why. If politician’s care about how that anger is expressed and plays out, then they should stop ginning it up.

  5. Redteam says:

    So, now that you have made the idiotic charge DHS is ignoring the leftwing threats I presume you have irrefutable evidence?

    Sorry, I accidentally left this out. I don’t have irrefutable proof, just the info that was linked to, which made no reference to anything ‘left’ wing, only ‘right’ wing.

    therefore I made an assumption, maybe not valid, that their focus is on right wing since they clearly left out ‘left’ wing info.
    Don’t know why they left it out, just that they did.

  6. Redteam says:

    Kathie,

    what you said is most likely the reason I wrote what I did.
    They were deliberately misleading (lying) in the report and it get tiring. why can’t we, at least sometimes, have a little truthfulness?

  7. kathie says:

    Red..I think because truth and political power are not friends.
    For Obama to say that he had no idea about the tea parties is not wholly believable. So say that right wing extremist and left wing extremists were weighted the same for public consumption is not wholly believable. To say a report, not read by the director, was made public by accident is not wholly believable either. Is there a political motive, I don’t know for a fact, but when a government is as sloppy as this department was it leaves the door open. Maybe that was the plan and many jumped in and didn’t look so good in doing so. Politics and deception are friends, that is for sure.

    Personally, I think that the Obama administration has the Republicans on edge and is exploiting it. Republicans need to take a deep breath and see how they are being played.

  8. AJStrata says:

    Redteam,

    OK, I am impressed. I did not think you would step back from the brink.

    All right, I was wrong about you. My bad.
    And I mean seriously wrong (just saw the larger comment in moderation).

  9. Redteam says:

    That’s for sure.

  10. Redteam says:

    Aj, the comment immediately above was in response to Kathie, not you. yours wasn’t there when I pushed ‘publish’

    but for your’s

    Thanks.

  11. crosspatch says:

    Napolitano’s latest yammerings brought something to mind that I think people are missing. Extremists of ALL sorts have ALWAYS sought out people with military skills. It isn’t something that is unique to the “right-wing”. Street gangs do the same thing. I remember stories about gang graffiti showing up on military gear in Iraq.

    What bothers me about Napolitano is she seems to be saying either that military people would be more susceptible to being recruited by the right-wing terrorists than by extremists of other political or criminal persuasions or she is saying that the right-wing is the only one attempting to recruit former military members or sending members into the military for training. I don’t believe either statement is true. I was in the Army, I was never approached by any militant group and I don’t feel I am more susceptible to recruitment by one for having served. I don’t believe others who have served are either.

    Political and criminal extremists of all stripe would all like to recruit people with military training. It isn’t something unique to the right-wing. I don’t understand why it is being portrayed as if it is.

  12. crosspatch says:

    In other words, I would have less of a problem if Napolitano said “Veterans are targets of political extremists and criminal organization recruiters” than I have with her statement that “Veterans are targets of right-wing extremist recruiters”. Her narrowing of the scope to only the right-wing seems extremely inaccurate and is blinding them to other threats. If they concentrate on this angle, they are going to potentially miss some serious recruitment going on by other groups.

  13. crosspatch says:

    Oh, and the National Socialists are right-wing. It is the Nazi Party.

    Nazism, officially National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), refers to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler, and the policies adopted by the dictatorial government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945.

    Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.

  14. kathie says:

    One other thought. Why wouldn’t extremist of any strip work together for a common purpose. We have seen ideology fly out the window when Islamist have a common purpose. Why not here?

    One comment on the military. My thought would be that non-conscripted military personnel would be harder to radicalize. Our military today is fighting for a Nation that they love.

  15. Frogg says:

    Here’s another interesting take (food for thought):

    The ‘Right-Wing Extremism’ Report and Europeanization
    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-right-wing-extremism-report-and-europeanization/?print=1

  16. gary1son says:

    Interesting article. From your link, Frogg:

    “The DHS does not bother to explain just why “hate” or, for that matter, prejudice should be regarded as a monopoly of the “right.” But it is the second, more obviously ideological, part of the DHS’s “broad” definition that directly concerns us here. For far from being “anti-government,” National Socialism as an ideology always implied big government and the severe limitation of the sphere of individual liberties. The National Socialist state was, as the sociologist Franz Neumann famously described it, a “behemoth,” extending its reach into virtually all areas of social life and economic activity. In exchange for his or her submission to the state, the member of the German “national community” was offered a decent standard of living and a wide assortment of social benefits. In this respect, National Socialism was true to the socialist promise contained in its program and, of course, in its very name……

    …….National Socialists were never “anti-government.” They were always, however, fervently anti-capitalist and, above all, opposed to specifically financial capital and the world market, which was assumed to be dominated by the latter. In other words, they were much like what are today described as “leftists.” In fact, they were “leftists.” And they still are today, as the eagerness of Germany’s contemporary Nazis to participate in “anti-globalization” protests makes clear.”

    If our government is under the impression that the x-burners in the woods are somehow “right-wing”, except by maybe what it says in the dictionary, I’m afraid they may be looking under some of the wrong rocks, and operating under some very wrong assumptions.

    I just hope that all the efforts by the “left-wingers” in academia, media and Congress to erroneously equate average right-leaning Americans to Nazi Fascists* hasn’t affected the judgement of the good folks deciding on where to focus our intelligence attention and resources.

    * http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/04/18/huffpo-offended-by-tea-parties/

  17. ivehadit says:

    A point being missed in all this, imho, is this: if nothing had been said about this report and it had been left to be passed around the internet as absolute fact with no explanations, it would be used by every liberal in this country (and all global socialists) to demean and diminish THEIR enemies (conservatives, republicans), no? Not that is isn’t be used now, lol!

    And AJ, I want to reiterate that I am NO FAN of Michelle Malkin. Can’t stand her. So to say that I have been lied to by her is just not correct. I do not listen to her-didn’t even know she had one thing to do with this. I saw this reported on Fox where quotes were read from the paper. If they were lying, I need to know this as we are seekers of the Truth.

    And, imho, Michelle Malkin, Michael Savage, et al DO NOT make up the entire conservative viewpoint, at least as far as I am concerned-can’t stand either of these two.

    And fyi, I know George Bush personally and have defended him 100% for the past 9 years on this blog and others…even when in the smallest minority. I post this to shed light on some of your assumptions about me that frankly are confounding me lately.

  18. AJStrata says:

    Ivehadit,

    Did it ever occur to you this was leaked by conservatives in law enforcement to conservatives in the media to pull people’s strings? Is it pure coincidence this version has been filtered down to its most explosive and landed in rightwing sites?

    This is just like the NSA-FISA blow up.

  19. AJStrata says:

    BTW Ivehadit,

    For good or bad I get slammed by comments and sometimes lose the thread on how said what, when. I accept the fact I may have confused you with others here – but I really did get completely fed up with conservatives on this one.

  20. ivehadit says:

    No problem, AJ. I have concurred with being fed up with some conservatives, especially how they treated George Bush.

    My only issue with this being “leaked by conservatives” (which is entirely possible) is that the entire report is available to read on one’s own and the words used are what they are. They needed explanation…full and complete “with no spin” explanation. :)

    Regardless, imho, there are way too many in this administration who DO want to create the branding of “crazy conservatives” and have it be put into the public debate. They have tried it before.