Apr 19 2009
Reality Slams Global Warming Alarmists
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I wish the conservative fanatics had not gone mad belittling the science of genetics and evolution for a lot of reasons. First off, ignorance is just not a plan, let a lone a national policy. 2nd, if you want to make the case for sanctity of life in the matters of Embryonic Stem Cell Research DNA is the magic bullet which can prove embryos are human beings, and it is the core biochemical structure of evolution.
Being scientifically ignorant and on the record as challenging the essence of science also means they have no credible voice when it comes to challenging the left on matters of science. Which means they really cannot be part of the crowd who can say “I told you so” to the left when it comes to destroying the myth of man-made global warming. You cannot knock science on one topic and then claim partnership on another just because it fits your politics. The scientific method is uniform, it has no politics.Â
Today is a dark day for the myths of man-made global warming, as the hard data keeps coming in and the ice caps are not disappearing as claimed, but in the case of of Antarctica are actually expanding.
ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.
The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent’s western coast.
Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth’s ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.
However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.
East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week’s meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown “significant cooling in recent decades”.
Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica.
Ice is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.
Al Gore and the UN IPCC have now been proven to be gravely wrong. Anyone who claims there are disappearing ice caps is either ignorant or a liar. And before the EPA, Obama and others demand we fight the life critical gas CO2 for personal gain, they better start dealing with reality.
Update: It seems the American public is fully aware that mother nature is not behaving as Al Gore and the IPCC claimed she would. A majority of people have clued in that CO2 is not a danger, especially CO2 generated by humans (a tiny fraction of the global CO2 mix).
Conservatives generally attack the religion of genetics and evolution – not the science.
DJS,
There is no religion of genetics or evolution, and there is no science of creationism.
I have no confidence that any of this matters as far as policy is concerned. The EPA declared on Friday that CO 2 was harmful to our health and caused climate change. Policy will flow from that report. It is beyond comprehension really!
AJ.
False.
Marxism, Freudianism, Darwinism and Global warming are all cults with very zealous, very unscientific leaders and followers.
I don’t claim “creationism” is a science. It is based on a leap of faith – just like Darwinism.
It will be interesting to see how Obama and the rest of the “man made global warming” alarmists are going to handle this new information. I suspect they will treat it the same way they have the past scientific evidence that doesn’t support their theory…
ignore it, deny it, or blame the growing ice caps on global warming.
The global warming camp is already working their next project.
Global water shortage.
Peak oil is not helping them much so they had to find this one to spin.
The cooling we are experiencing is causing massive issues with crop yields this year.
Cold weather and rain left fewer field days this year based on reports of the agricultural department with their weekly summaries compared to nominal years. Late in crops take more fertilizer to try to reach the same yields per acre.
Late snows which will soon melt to summer warming will only contribute to more flooding issues damaging even the crops they did get into the fields. Where it isn’t snowing they are already getting rain washouts of crops in the fields from the latest weekly summaries.
LOL!
djs, you are a perfect example of scientific ignorance screaming for credibility.
It doesn’t take ‘faith’ to know evolution is a fact, any more than gravity is a fact. It is measurable in a repeatable and deterministic fashion. It is like being able to say god exists by simply pointing to him in a petri dish. There is no faith, just a willingness to open the eyes.
Your ignorance is not our ignorance. It is all yours and yours alone. It is laughable you attempt to preach from such a lowly perch.
There are a lot of things in the comments to bring a smile to someone’s face.
There is no religion of genetics or evolution, and there is no science of creationism.
all so true, there is no fact of evolution, only a theory just as there is no science of creatiionism, on a theory.
I do have a theory that evolution was created, but it is only a theory.
The EPA declared on Friday that CO 2 was harmful to our health and caused climate change. Policy will flow from that report.
I have been breathing CO2 all my life and I don’t believe there are any measurable effects from it. As long as I breathe 20% oxygen and no toxic gas (CO2 is not toxic) I will be okay.
The only think that I see that has a chance to stop the ‘global warming’ nuts is the economy and I’m not sure that will be enough. I think the Admin actually wants $5-6 gasoline and $500 monthly power bills. But the public doesn’t. I’m going with the public good on this one.
Oh, I forgot my lessons from CJ the spook.
she says you can’t always apply science to get the answers you want, that sometimes you have to use art.
accordingly, in her 8 step process you start with a hypothesis that is ‘true’ to derive the ‘truth’ scientifically. BUT, and this is a big BUT, if it is not possible to start with a true hypothesis, then you go to step 1: mod 1: which is, you start with a lie, and apply art, instead of science, to support the lie you want to support.
The global warming crowd have the Step 1: mod 1: process down precisely.
art, in this process, is defined as ‘rectal reasoning’
still smiling.
Sorry Redteam, Evolution is not a theory at all. People who claim it is have never once studied it or the evidence of its existence. Mentally these ignoramuses have their eyes ands ears covered screaming into the abyss “this is not real”. But it is a fact. What is still at a theoretical state is the relationships of ancient life forms to modern life forms.
The mechanisms of evolution are well established, the effects of evolution using modern life forms and recent historical records are not in doubt. We may not know who are the modern day descendants of a specific species of dinosaurs, but we do know dinosaurs existed, when the existed, their likely evolution, their likely descendants.
But with modern species and DNA samples there is no doubt. The theory becomes fact when we have species with slight evolutionary changes which can be traced back in time without any ambiguity.
What is really hilarious, is of all the sciences evolution is the least threat to religion and the premier scientific basis for determining life begins at conception and all stages of life relate to a human individual.
Neanderthal thinking is not going to change the reality of evolution.
AJ
It doesn’t take ‘faith’ to know evolution is a fact, any more than gravity is a fact.
You being scientifically trained, as I am, it doesn’t surprise me that you accept evolution as a fact.
There is certainly absolute facts and evidence to support it
but then you have to go to the other point you made:
It is like being able to say god exists by simply pointing to him in a petri dish. There is no faith, just a willingness to open the eyes.
If you were to say that evolution was created by God, then it makes perfect sense, because evolution appears to have occurred in a orderly, usually better direction. Unlike in nature where undirected evolution always goes the other way.
As I used the perfect lawn as an example earlier. If a perfect lawn is allowed to evolve ‘without’ intervention, it will not improve with time. Contrary to that, humans do improve, so there must be a intervention (divine or otherwise).
you did say this above:
It is measurable in a repeatable and deterministic fashion.
and I won’t argue that, but I will say that I’m 68 years old and have read repeatedly on this subject and have actually studied it to a small degree, and I have never seen this proof, only theory. For essentially every ‘proof’ I’ve seen, I’ve seen about as many ‘disproofs’.
Let me make it clear, I do believe in evolution, just not ‘natural’ evolution.
AJ
What is still at a theoretical state is the relationships of ancient life forms to modern life forms.
The mechanisms of evolution are well established, the effects of evolution using modern life forms and recent historical records are not in doubt. We may not know who are the modern day descendants of a specific species of dinosaurs, but we do know dinosaurs existed, when the existed, their likely evolution, their likely descendants.
I’m not sure but you seem to be supporting what I said.
If you have to use a ‘theoretical state’ to connect modern forms to ancient forms, it seems it is ‘theoretical’ not fact
and:We may not know who are the modern day descendants of a specific species of dinosaurs, but we do know dinosaurs existed, when the existed, their likely evolution, their likely descendants.
aren’t you then saying that this is a ‘theoretical’ relationship that is ‘assumed’, not proven? I’m not sure a likely evolution is the same as an actual evolution, and I’m not sure a likely descendant is the same as an actual descendant, but I’m pretty sure the standard of proof should be that it is ‘certain’ not ‘likely’.
and until theories and theoretical relationships can be proven and not assumed, it’s not a fact, just a theory.
but this is like all politics and religions, fun to discuss but not worth ‘arguing’ over.
I humbly suggest that Gravity is much more a theory than Evolution.
I cannot recall any material disagreement in peer-reviewed assessments of Evolution.
Regarding Gravity, there appear to be several. Dark energy and dark matter appear to be contrivances created to substantiate and solve accepted mathematical equations [neither has actually been observed in a laboratory – although, dark matter has been, allegedly, observed in astronomy].
Wrap your head around that.
The global warming crowd draws its power and belief system from the Church of Extreme Environmentalism. This is the church that says “Mother Earth” “cries” when you have a BBQ or mow your lawn. Now, the undeniable advancement of science such as that outlined in AJ’s post here is serving to debunk their holy dogma, and opinions are changing. In a few short years, the majority has switched from believing that man is causing the majority of global warming to believing that it is not.
But this is a relatively young and recently organized church. Its roots are not all that deep, as opposed to the millennia old human tendency to believe deeply in a biblical supreme creator.
Thus, polls are rather steady in saying that around 85-90% of the population either believe that God created man in his present form, or that he had a hand in guiding man’s development. A tiny 10-15% say God had no hand in it whatsoever.
http://www.pollingreport.com/science.htm
Also, we find that someone NOT believing in evolution is not a huge concern with voters. They see it as a personal religious view. I don’t see being a creationist as a dangerous stance for a politician, as long as they’re not pushy and militant about it, and want to jam it into the science classroom. That’s what people don’t like, not their personal heart-felt position on the issue, which large majorities are basically in sync with.
After all — we know that an open atheist would never stand a chance of being elected in this country.
Sarah Palin’s position on this is an example of the right way to do it, I think. She personally believes in creationism it would seem, wouldn’t mind it being taught alongside evolution in school as an alternative POV, but doesn’t go door to door and doesn’t try to pass legislation or make appointments based on her beliefs — as opposed to someone like Jindal, for instance.
She is the kind of candidate I think we on the right and center need to support, and DID in large part. It was that “economy, stupid”, that made the real difference.
There needn’t be any terrible fear of the creationism issue, as long as it’s approached properly and humbly by the candidate. Belief in God, and thereby the notion that he created us, is an overwhelmingly popular one in this country. It’s going to take a very long time before the DNA science on evolution, which I personally tend to believe in, is able to overtake its antithesis and change the collective mind.
And I have doubts about whether it actually would be good for human-kind to have its mind changed too much on these kinds of issues. While not necessarily a firm believer by any means, I have great respect and admiration, even awe, of the role religion/belief has played in bringing about positive “change”, such as defeating communism and slavery.
“Your ignorance is not our ignorance. It is all yours and yours alone. It is laughable you attempt to preach from such a lowly perch.”
Brothers and sisters, can you say Amen?
Science has proven that life as we know it proceeded without design, without purpose and without the intervention of an intelligent creator?
A little beyond the scope of the discipline, don’t you think?
djs,
When you can point to scientific proof that states your silly rambling come on back.
Until then you are not spouting anything by mythology. Not even Christ said there shall be no science beyond me.
Amen!
Science does not negate God or evil. It simply establishes the facts of reality. If you want to believe in an almighty creator, then science is the discovery of all the greatness in the creation.
There is no scientific fact that God does not exist – that is a myth for the neanderthals.
If there is a God who created us in his image, then DNA is his original and untouched handwriting, and evolution is his plan.
Scientifically we don’t know if God exists or not, we do know DNA and evolution do. All that means is if God does exist, we can explore his handy work through science.
For those who think God’s creation as KNOWN through science are anti-God, just so they can be the only true spokespeople for God, we all know what they are doing.
They are playing God! Which is of course a sin.
Amen.
“If there is a God who created us in his image, then DNA is his original and untouched handwriting, and evolution is his plan.”
Thank you.
Back to the topic…it doesn’t surprise me that people are seeing sense. The last three winters have been COLD in the Washington area. I’ve lived here for over 40 years, this is the coldest stretch I can remember.