May 16 2009
Pelosi Is A Foolish Fibber
It is hard to believe such an incompetent person is 3rd in line for the Presidency, but here again we have Nancy (“I’m Am Not A Torture Supporter”) Pelosi making an incredible fool of herself.
She went out on a high voltage limb yesterday when she claimed the CIA was lying (misleading)to Congress on water boarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques. The CIA has shot back a full broadside from their files that show “Congress” was briefed 40 times on the matter!
But even that statement is at odds with the official record of the briefings recorded in the CIAÂ memo dated to Sept. 4, 2002. That memo says Pelosi received a “briefing on EITs (enhanced interrogation techniques), including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities and a description of particular EITs that had been employed.”
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Pelosi is just one of 65 lawmakers who received 40 briefings dealing with the subject. Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., for instance, was repeatedly briefed, as was Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., who took over Pelosi’s spot on the House Intelligence Committee.
In addition, from the beginning of the program in 2002 until it became public in the fall of 2006, the House held 13 votes to authorize intelligence funding at which time no one objected or demanded changes to any intelligence programs.
It has become clear Pelosi did not stay engaged in this critical national security topic. Only a short time after 9-11 she disengaged, and started sending staffers to the briefings (who she admits told her of the water boarding).
So how can a woman who only attended one or two briefings have any standing to make the claim the CIA misled Congress? By her own admission she was not at the briefings! She is madly slinging mud, but all of its is reflecting back onto her insane Bush Derangement Syndrome. Even the true blue democrat head of the CIA is publicly challenging Pelosi.
The woman is unstable. She has made unfounded claims of felonies in order to try and retain her faux image as an opponent of actions she condoned. Not once did she raise a red flag. Congress can put a stop on just about anything with a wave of a pen if they want to. She could also have asked for more information, she could have dove into the matter instead of walking away.
The fact is clear, Nancy Pelosi is misleading the country. She is the one lying. Pot, meet Ms Kettle.
My Intell history teacher is an awesome and brilliant person with 35 yrs in. I thought you may find it interesting what he has to say on the matter, mind you, his opinion is shared by many in the community. I didn’t want to summarize what he said, because I thought he said it so well. However, I hope he doesn’t mind me posting his comment! shhhh
Unlike real estate, they are making more history. It happens all the time, just not at a unifrom rate. Lately however, for our special slice of history, there have been potentially enormous things happening. Most of you will have at least heard about the House Speaker’s press conference today, and many of you may have opinions on it. Speaking from my own background (and history for that matter), this could propel us into a battle on the scale of the Church-Pike period. That period was especially ugly, and set US intelligence, particularly HUMINT back so far that we are still making up the loss after all these years. That period, including a few other matters from the time, did produce a largely “risk averse” IC, to the detriment of the country. Watch the news as it unfolds because intelligence history is being made now, and we do not know how it will come out.
On another matter, IC briefings on the Hill are not haphazard affairs. What you will present is a co-ordinated agency product, not just your own opinion. You do not go there just because you are fun to have around the office. What you will say is planned and approved. What you say becomes a matter of record, along with who you said it to. The current controversey, fueled by the Speaker, has the potential to turn into a major and damaging battle and it may have an impact on the business for many years to come. So, watch the news and see it unfold first hand.
Because Nancy sent staffers to the meeting, maybe she didn’t know that meticulous records were kept of those meeting. I guess this is what happens when you, yourself, don’t think it’s impotent to do oversight. What a scumbag!
[…] The Strata-Sphere – It is hard to believe such an incompetent person is 3rd in line for the Presidency, but here again we have Nancy (â€I’m Am Not A Torture Supporterâ€) Pelosi making an incredible full of herself. […]
I am beginning to think she is not in her right mind.
But her district is populated mostly by morons and nobody will run against her. She has the safest seat in the country. And the nuttier she acts, the more those idiots will love her.
Now all she needs to do is come out and say the CIA was behind 9/11 and she will have a seat for life.
So basically we have the people of a tiny little district in San Francisco calling the shots of the US House of Representatives. Amazing. Nothing good will come of it.
Careful CROSS…….my parents live in her district. They are not liberals. Yew, there are enough morons that live there that will vote for her. What a sad sight.
Oh, I think something good has come of this. Several have finally stood up and pointed fingers back. Cheney, Newt, Hoekstra, Bond. Priceless. I loved each and every one.
Do it again. It really is effective. The rest of that bunch of Overseers should take note and try it. Kit Bond even had them laughing on MSNBC.
Crosspatch, if I remember correctly, I think Cindy Sheehan wanted to challenge Pelosi in her district. But she is just as, if not as wacky as Pelosi.
I think Pelosi’s flailing on her knowledge of the EIT program is a great development to further support the right way to get to the bottom of this issue. While most on the left hold the Bush administration (particularly Cheney & Rumsfeld) primarily accountable for the program since they developed, authorized and advocated for it, the majority know that Democratic congressional leaders knew about it and were too afraid to do anything. That is why Senate and House committee meetings is not the forum we need to get to the truth about the EIT program – these would led to partisan sideshows that would abscure the facts and real issues.
We need a truth commission to get to the bottom of what really happened and whether it actually made us safer. The more we learn about it, the more apparent it is that some conduct was torture. Not only do we need to evaluate the effectiveness of the program in obtaining reliable intelligence (which is eroding further with each secret memo that is released), but we need to evaluate the negative repercussions. For all the flack that Obama took over reversing his decision on the release of the torture photos, which I think was the right and politically courageous decision, we now know that our military commanders uniformly believe that the use of these tactics will inflame the Arab world, complicate our efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, and endanger our soldiers. It’s too bad there aren’t any real journalists left who would put that question to Cheney while he is on his You Better Not Prosecute Me For War Crimes road show – “Mr. Cheney, do you agree with our military commanders that the use of EIT tactics may have actually endangered our soldiers and international efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq?”
conman
This is as nice as I can say it…………………I consider you nuts if you believe even half of that babble. Torture? Bothers your higher moral self? Nuts.
owl:
That’s because you are a morally repugnant excuse for a human being.
Guy, you got it but forgot to add that I’m darn proud of it. Just don’t try to get into my foxhole if the headchoppers come. I want you out there being the talking head. Get the Talking One to help you reason with them about your Geneva rights.
Yes, I have this foolish idea that we, as Americans, are supposed to be better than the terrorists.
You, apparently, have no pride in your country whatsoever. The fact that you are not ashamed that this country had anything whatsoever to do with torture speaks to your low expectations of the United States.
We’re supposed to be the good guys. But we can’t – so long as we are filled with pathetic, sadistic cowards like you.
Guy,
We are the good guys. We had to invoke a natural neural response to get these people (3 and only 3) to stop an attack that would have killed thousands.
It is not torture, it was all pretend. Torture is not playing a mind game, or invoking a fear (fear of prison, fear of execution, fear of drowning – what’s the big dif?). Your simple minded spin is inaccurate.
We have lots of hurdles and checks and balances required to go to this level of interrogation. It only applies under very strict and threatening conditions – which need to be proven to exist.
Your lack of understanding is what is embarrassing. Your inability to face reality is the problem, and it destroys your credibility completely.
What is more morally repugnant, pathetic and sadistic, roughing up a few terrorists whose life is committed to killing innocents or standing by and doing nothing while planes plow into buildings.
I take pride in our country because of what they did – putting the lives of hundreds/thousands of Americans over the comfort of a few terrorist. I would not be able to do so if they offered these people tea and crumpets while thousands of Americans died.
Alert1201:
“What is more morally repugnant, pathetic and sadistic, roughing up a few terrorists whose life is committed to killing innocents or standing by and doing nothing while planes plow into buildings.”
Well, Bush and Cheney did both – so why don’t you go ask them?
AJ:
“We had to invoke a natural neural response to get these people (3 and only 3) to stop an attack that would have killed thousands.”
Wrong. I admire your stubborness in pushing this idea, AJ – but it’s demonstrably false.
The reason torture was commited was due to Cheney and Rumsfeld’s desire to find a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda when none existed. They were sick, twisted people, desperate to find justification for starting a war they had already decided to fight, whether it was just or not.
Those of you that cheer on this kind of behavior are sick, or naive, or both. In any case, you should be ashamed of yourselves.