Jun 03 2009
People Suffering From Obama Derangement Syndrome Need To Take A Chill Pill
Two bits of news came out recently regarding Obama and the Middle East challenges which have the conservatives suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome in full self destruct mode. The first was Obama’s statement that Iran should be allowed access to nuclear energy for peaceful purposes:
President Barack Obama suggested that Iran may have some right to nuclear energy _ provided it proves by the end of the year that its aspirations are peaceful.
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What I do believe is that Iran has legitimate energy concerns, legitimate aspirations,” Obama said, adding that the international community also “has a very real interest” in preventing a nuclear arms race.
The president has indicated a willingness to seek deeper international sanctions against Tehran if it does not respond positively to U.S. attempts to open negotiations on its nuclear program. Obama has said Tehran has until the end of the year to show it wants to engage with Washington.
While some on the right fainted, I need to point out this is Bush policy as well. In fact, the thrust of international negotiations all through the Bush years was ways for Iran to access nuclear power for electricity while walling off access avenues for nuclear weapons production. The top proposal for years was for Russia to help Iran build their nuclear reactors and control the fuel, providing the fuel to run the reactors and taking back the spent fuel so it could not be used to make weapons grade material.
Nothing President Obama said violates are changes the Bush policies and options that where considered then.
The second big news is that President Barrack Hussein Obama has Muslim roots in his family. This is straight out of the ‘what planet have you been living on’ breaking news. Yes, he downplayed it during the election, but it was no secret. And when you have the likes of Anne Coulter (recall her ‘towel head rant at CPAC? Â I do, I was there and it was ugly) and Pat Buchannan and the rest of the nativists who crawled out to attack anyone Ayrab or Muslim since 9-11 (recall Dubai Ports World), it is not surprising Obama would try and keep his family’s religion (not HIS religion) out of the discussion about his qualifications.
But instead of ringing alarm bells as if we are under attack from al Qaeda again I can see a lot of potential here for Obama to use this family feature very positively. He can rightly and legitimately note America cannot be against Islam if it elected the son of a Muslim. He could make personal connections a Muslim neophyte could never make. He could show respect in ways a Muslim neophyte could never make.
In essence he could make more and stronger allies within the moderated Muslim community, which are required to break the back if the extremists inside the Islamo Fascist wing of Islam. We won Iraq by making alliances with moderates and turning others away from al Qaeda. We will only win this war if we build bridges to Muslims like we did when we built bridges to Germans and Japanese after WW II.
As for the potential for the US to be the largest Muslim nation, it damn well should be the largest ‘Muslim friendly’ nation if we want real allies. What is wrong with that?Â
Of course, the rage of the ‘true conservatives’ could neuter this opportunity greatly by screaming about Muslims and Ayrabs. Tell you what, when the government mandates we all will become Muslims I will start ringing alarm bells too. Right now I see someone trying to set the stage (maybe awkwardly, but it seems to work) for his trip to the Middle East as President of this nation.
If he can pull of some concessions, get some people to cool off and strengthen our allies – I am all for it. I am not one of those holding their breathe for the man to fail. He seems to be following the Bush policies, using his own style and strengths. What more could anyone on the right ask for?
Addendum: I want to include this comment I wrote to a reader that explains why the ‘true right’ is doing more to self destruct than challenge Obama with all these marginal, wide-eyed distractions they keep running to:
The liberal economic schemes of Obama, Pelosi and Reid and their destruction of our economy is THE big problem facing the nation. And it should be THE ONLY problem opponents spend time addressing. All this other crap is not only a distraction, it is so hysterically silly it destroys credibility with the rest of America who are concerned at what Obama is doing with our economy.
Obama IS following Bush policies on national security. One way to gain credibility outside the right wing echo chambers is to give him credit for this. If we acknowledge is efforts here, where we can because he is not surrendering to terrorism, it then gives us credibility to challenge his mistakes where we should, on the economy.
Right now the Obama Derangement Syndrome fever has people doing more to destroy their own credibility than building a challenge to President Obama on his most dangerous ideas – those on the economy. Geez, if it means stopping the risky liberal policies how hard is it to use some self control and give some credit where it is due?
Until the right focuses and gets serious, until they can recognize our President’s good decisions without question or caveat, they have no standing with America. No credibility. They need to get themselves out of the fevered swamps if they want to make a difference.
“A British tourist was beheaded in Bali today. Was he a neocon?”
Thanks for mentioning this, Terry. I saw this on the Fox ticker and the first thing I wondered is if the torture obsessed left would be as outraged over a beheading as they are when Al Qaeda members are kept up past their bedtime. So far I hear only crickets.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak said in Washington Wednesday night that he had asked the White House to “water down its remarks, briefings and leaks, so that we can talk about fundamental issues.”
Speaking to Israeli reporters, the defense minister admitted that “there were differences of opinion between Israel and the US administration,”
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1244034988385&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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Moderates to Ehud Barak : “just take a “chill pill”
Frogg,
LOL!
Which of the 3 points in this post is against Israeli policy?
(1) Continuation of the Bush proposals that Iran can have nuclear energy, but no nuclear weapons
(2) Barack had a Muslim father and lived in a Muslim country
(3) The US should be a Muslim Friendly country while it opposes Islamo Fascism
Pick which one is the difference of opinion. I am fairly sure you Israel is talking about the settlement issues and other things.
Try and stay focused, even if ODS fever does have you in its grips.
AJ:
Here is a difference of opinion:
[1] Obama stated that Bush’s policies and statements toward Iran were the problem and now he adopts the same while continuing to misrepresent the former president.
[2] Barack and his allies made it plain that any discussion of his father and his time spent in a Muslim environment were a bad and disgraceful thing. Hence, when pictures of him in traditional dress were released during the primaries, Hillary Clinton’s campaign was attacked. Now all of a sudden the subject is fine to talk about.
[3] Barack Obama stated that the US is a major Muslim nation is a big fat lie. This country was founded on the belief of religious freedom. Muslims have always been allowed to practice their religion here, even when Michelle Obama could not find anything to be proud of in this country.
Barack Obama is dishonest and he is playing games here to pander to his audience.. If he means all this stuff then he should apologize to Hillary Clinton and Dick Cheney and George Bush.
Frogg,
(1) He is trying more carrot and less stick. If he pulls it off where Bush failed who cares? If he tried something new and it fails he is as good as Bush. He tried something new! Oh My GOD! Israel would be happy if Iran’s nuclear ambitions were curtailed in a provable manner – so that is not anti Israel.
(2) BS. He said his father was basically agnostic (clearly he was since his wife and son were not required to follow him in Islam). What they are saying now is that this EXPOSURE to Islam can help him communicate and connect. That is a correct statement. Israel is NOT disagreeing the Obama has Muslim Roots or that it might help grease some skids.
(3) The US has a very large and generally peaceful Muslim population which has to live in harmony with jews, christians and others. It is the role model for the world. Isreal would love Islam to expand that model across the globe.
Dishonest? As in spinning facts, ignoring facts and making wild conclusions about others? LOL!
Your just trying to find an issue where none has shown up yet. Clearly you are in ODS and you have it bad. You folks have lost all your credibility. Cried “wolf” too many times and were wrong.
AJ, my comment about “moderates to Ehud Barak” was a twisted joke. I was trying to go as “overboard” as you on your comments about “conservatives”. I’ve posted several twisted things about what I call “radical moderates”. My point being….there are inappropriate words/actions by liberals, conservatives, and moderates inclusively. It seems silly to me to paint entire groups by a handful (as you do with conservatives on a daily basis). I’m just suggesting you take a “chill pill” along with everyone else.
As to Obama, here are the remarks I posted on another forum about his Cairo speech (sound like ODS to you?):
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My comments about Obama’s speech:
I thought the speech was good. Bush gave many similar speeches about the two state solution, how we all want tolerance and peace, respect for Islam (radicals have hijacked a peaceful religion), terrorists need to give up violence, etc etc etc. Another speech of the same doesn’t do any harm. Indeed, maybe hearing from an accomplished teleprompter reader may do some good. Bush’s vision of a “moderate Islam” partnering with us to fight “radical Islam” is still being pursued. I’ll give Obama some time to find his way to continue that fight. And, perhaps his “Muslim roots” connection will help him in that fight against “radical Islam”.
But, it is just a speech.
The real test for me is what actions Obama takes to keep Iran from getting nuke weapons, how he deals with al Qaeda networks and training camps, how he responds to terror attacks, if he promotes the universal rights of freedom, if he protects America, etc.
The only line that rubs me the wrong way is to say that “Iraq was a war of choice” without adding…..that it was “Saddam Hussein’s choice”.
Bin Laden had his hands full with Bush taking the war to him. He will now have competition against a “silver tongue” who can speak almost as well as Bin Laden. I expect Bin Laden’s rhetoric will increase as we enter an inflamed “war of words”. And, let’s not forget….
Bin Laden called for peace also. He even told us how to achieve it…..
all we have to do is convert to Islam.
It’s a new phase of the same war with Obama. Time will tell how it plays out.
“No single nation should pick and choose which nations should hold nuclear weapons.”
President Barack Obama
Cairo Speech
June 3, 2009
Posted by Gateway Pundit at 6/04/2009 04:47:00 AM
Is this true?
Ivhadit,
It’s pretty simple. Should Iran dictate whether the US should have nuclear weapons? Should the US dictate whether Russia has them?
In fact, it is better if the world applies the pressure to curb the expansion of nuclear weapons than the US try and go it alone.
It is better if China, the UK, South Korea, Russia, Japan, South Korea, Australia, France, Israel and any others who wish to join America challenge NK that just us alone.
This is one of those Duh! statements only conservatives could misunderestimate.
The true right is truly pathetic these days.
“We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it’s unacceptable. And I will do everything that’s required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table.
–Barack Obama, Second Presidential Debate–
Is Obama dictating? You decide. I think he is simply stating our countries position on Iran getting nukes (atleast his position when he was trying to get elected). America has always worked with allies. Obama is simply trying to use rhetoric now (especially overseas) to coincide with that. should one nation dictate? No. Yet, most nations think that Iran should not have a nuke. How that gets resolved is between individual nations–they may act in unison; they may act alone. Or, they may fail to act and live with the consequences.
“I believe that Obama will denigrate the Bush foreign policy, but that he will follow the Bush foreign policy because his guys are really about domestic policy, and haven’t given foreign policy much thought except as a political tool to bash republicans.”
Oh yes kathie. I say ditto to almost all you wrote.
Terrye hits on the problem with Obama’s lies. It is the brainwashing effect. The shock factor that no longer shocks.
I have always considered myself as moderate right. I understood that when old people cut their meds in half and skipped every other day, some compassion was needed. I understood that you could not split up families and ‘send em back’. I watched that problem from Reagan (that every far right quotes as Godlike) and I adored also but he was wrong (yep, as often as Bush). I do not get on moral soapboxes over abortion unless they are late term and even then I put the Mother first. I don’t like any of them. I dislike some of the views of the Rick Santorems the same as the McCains and Specters.
But I dislike Obama more than anything I have ever encountered in my lifetime. He has moved me. I will take the dark side of ‘far right’ any day of the week over the killing of the America I love.
I want him to fail. Yesterday. Don’t try to sell me on someone talking out of both sides of his mouth. President Hussein might be following some of Bush’s policies but it does not excuse his behavior and his constant lies and bashing. It is bad enough that he feels he has to Bushbash every time he opens his mouth but this Americabash is obscene. He has turned out to be such a tiny man.
60% of Israelis don’t Trust Obama
War and Peace Index reveals 55% of Israeli Jews believe US president leans in favor of Palestinians, while only 5% say he supports Israeli position.
Even before Barack Obama’s historic “reconciliation speech” in Cairo on Thursday, the majority of the Israeli public – 55% – felt the US president leans in favor of the Palestinians.
Only 5% said Obama supports the Israeli stance, while 31% said they feel he is neutral, a poll published on Thursday showed.
Sixty percent of Israelis don’t trust the president to consider and protect Israel’s interests during his efforts to improve relations between America and the Muslim world.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3726358,00.html
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Uh Oh! Looks like Obama better get out to Israel and give a “love me” speech.
It’s been a while since I’ve been here. Right now conservatives are divided and impotent. I don’t think we got this way by accident and I think it’ll take a lot of soul-searching for us to come together if this nation is going to be salvaged.
The biggest problem this nation faces is the fact that we are not a nation of laws any more. There is nothing that isn’t possible to the people in power. Contemplate that.
I’m going to start at square one. I wanted to do this privately with you, AJ, but I can’t find a way to e-mail you. Please hear me out because this is ground-level lawful vs lawlessness. It’s what any fool like me can see.
Go to http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
and trace the circle dissected by the top fold. It’s distorted, it bends with the fold. The “seal” dissected by the bottom fold is folded at the same angle. If you have a laptop tip the screen back so you can see the shape of that circle. It’s perfectly round. I’ve tried every combination of page fold and camera possible and could never get that angle to produce a perfectly round circle. That “seal” was not on that page.
Could I just be mistaken? Double check it this way:
Notice that right under the bottom fold is the place where the father’s name is printed: Barack Hussein Obama. It’s the longest line on the bottom part of the page.
Now look at http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
Right underneath the fold, where “Barack Hussein Obama” is supposed to be, there is nothing. This can’t be the same document as on the other page. Why did factcheck post a photo of somebody else’s seal as though it was Obama’s? Because Obama’s didn’t have a seal; it was added to the photo digitally in a shape that could never happen in reality.
Photo #5, the first one you looked at, is the only photo with both Obama’s information and the authenticating seal. Photo #1 proves that the seal on #5 was forged. That’s all Obama has ever offered.
I know there was a flame war between a bunch of people making different claims. I followed that for a while before I realized I have no way of knowing who’s telling me the truth. But this involves just me looking at what factcheck still has up and Robert Gibbs still claims is all the proof we need. The emperor is naked. If I have to be the little kid who says it out loud I will.
Trouble is, I’ve posted on other conservative sites and people I respect like Ace and Ed Morissey won’t even look to see what I’m talking about. They heard you say the “birthers” are crazy so that’s that.
The conservative movement is breaking into identity factions, each trying to be more “reasonable” than the other. On opinions I can understand that, but on matters of fact I can’t. And this issue, right here, gets down to the nitty-gritty more than any other. Do forgery laws still matter in the US of A? Does observation matter any more?
It would be great to be nonpartisan and work together for reasonable outcomes. But if we can’t even look at a photo and see the same shape there it’s hopeless. Consensus can only follow when the facts are openly acknowledged by everyone. If simply pointing out the visible facts makes any one of us “crazy”, then it’s hopeless.
I appreciate what you’re doing, how you want to get rid of the “derangement” and impasses. There is such a thing as “Birther Derangement Syndrome” as well. The only way any of us get past our derangement is if we deal with facts. You’re a scientist, AJ. I believe you will look at these photos and see what I’m saying. The implications are staggering.
Thanks.