Jun 08 2009
The Real Threat Of Right Wing Extremism
I said when that infamous DHS report was leaked to the conservative media, and all the drama queens on the right were swooning about being political targets, if there really are violent extremists on the right then the drama queens are going to look both petty and dumb.
Well, seems that there are violent right wing extremists and they are threatening further violence in the name of ‘life’:
The man charged with murdering a high-profile abortion doctor claimed from his jail cell that similar violence was planned around the nation for as long as the procedure remained legal, a threat that comes days after a federal investigation launched into his possible accomplices.
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Scott Roeder called The Associated Press from the Sedgwick County jail, where he’s being held on charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault in the shooting of Dr. George Tiller one week ago.
“I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal,” Roeder said. He would not elaborate.
I guess the thing that bothers me most is I am not that surprised, given the heated rhetoric and the self anointed morale superiority from these circles. So, how’s that drama queen thing doing for the folks on the right who acted as if only saints existed in the ‘true conservative’ movement?
“Right Wing Conservative” terminology is applied to EVERYONE who our left wing media deems is in opposition to first the Clinton’s and now Obama. That means you too AJ as well as Nazis, killers of abortionists, skin heads, CEO’S, Bush/Cheney etc. You are painting with a brush too broad. I know that the dems and MSM would put me in the group with what I would call extremists, because that is what they do to demonize anybody who is not left of center. Everybody knows there are extremists on both sides of an argument, but the left loves to lump the scary right all together. That is the problem.
Give me a break. How many examples do we have of some maniac lunatic killing Abortionists? You know damn well they are fully reported over and over again when they occur. Why are you so willing to take this lunatic’s word while sitting in a jail cell, speaking to the AP (wonder if they have an agenda) saying “hey, Im not the only one thinking of this.). You are really reaching here AJ. If you and other “Moderate Conservatives” (whatever that really is) keep bashing
everyone else in the movement who may be to the right of “Moderate orthodoxy” you will be part of the reason why the Republicans never return to power again. What you describe as the Lunatic Right (which is about everyone who does not agree with you) are building up a resentment and distrust for Republicans. Peole like me are getting tired of being the whipping boys for all the weepy Republicans who blame us for all there electoral woes. Republicans are out of power because they did a lousy job when in power!
Get a grip, Aj… Political Math…
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http://politicalmath.wordpress.com/
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[who I think does a pretty factual… objective job of analyzing] posted this…
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http://politicalmath.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/ap-apparently-dislikes-accurately-representing-abortion-violence/
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I can’t get the graph to print here but… so go to the link… but… if he’s right…
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Quote… “… Did you know that this is the first abortion related murder since 1998?…
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As for Mikedido58… ditto here… YOU, Aj… are a big part of the problem for any Republican resurgence with your constant divisive bashing of the far right … whatever that is…
Too bad you cancelled waterboarding, Barack!
Can you imagine the sudden change of heart from the left if it turned out that this guy was waterboaded for info, and it ended up actually stopping some massive bomb plot?
Just like if it ever comes to pass that you can identify a “gay gene”, like you can identify Down Syndrome, early in a pregnancy, you’ll have the gay community contributing lots of rainbow banners and personality to the annual March for Life parade.
Mike,
These are Roeder’s words and I suspect he knows what he is talking about.
Suspect all you want, Aj … But I know you tend to keep to facts… And… As a facts guy… Do you agree with the conclusions at…
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http://politicalmath.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/ap-apparently-dislikes-accurately-representing-abortion-violence/
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Does Political Math have his facts correct? …
Are they true or false, Aj … ??
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OF COURSE, law enforcement should take Roader’s words seriously… and investigate thoroughly… but do not distort the historical facts…
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As stated in a previous comment… I’d convict Roader if on the jury and the facts warranted and recommend death penalty …
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at the same time celebrate the demise of Doctor Tiller…
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That is from a sinner exactly in this area in the 1970s … Life is full of dilemmas …
One changes as you see the end not too far over the horizon…
AJ, I dont suspect you made up this lunatic’s words. I suspect the truthfuliness of them and why anybody would take them at face value when there is no real historical reference to them. Why have a large uptick in Abortionist killings?? What’s really changed since the 70’s to fuel such a increase as he suggests?
Thankfully these kinds of agenda motivated killings have been few and far between. We are a country of 300 million people. Some of these types of killings are bound to happen no matter how dispicable and depraved they may be.
Mike,
Are you serious? No historical evidence????
Geez guy – did you miss the earlier attacks on Tiller? Did you miss all the murders and attempted murders against abortionists and supporters during the Clinton years?
So what is the big deal ?
Our new “god” Barry can just raise them and Dr. Tiller from the dead.
Well, the U.S. Marshals Service Security and Alarm Company are now guarding all late term abortionists, so no worries mate. All at your expense by the way. And, I don’t believe for a minute that there is any organization or movement behind the death of Tiller and there will be no other events. Wanna make a wager? No lethal or serious attacks on abortionists in the next three months. Taking bets……….
Oh, and by the way, the right wing extremists in Europe brought home the bacon. So much for McCain Moderates winning elections.
Who in the mainstream conservative movement has supported/funded Roeder?
Granted Tiller has been a lightning rod for years. He was an in-your-face pro abortion ativist who was clearly a target for Roder type derangement. However, bringing up the “Clinton years” as an example of pro life extremism hardly proves your larger point that Right wing extremism is on the rise. It does prove that this type of extremism has been part of society for many years (don’t forget left-wing extremism) and will likely always be part of our culture.
Correction, Aj… I did NOT say “no historical evidence” … kindly do not misquote me…
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What I “asked” was…
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“…Do you agree with the conclusions at…
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http://politicalmath.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/ap-apparently-dislikes-accurately-representing-abortion-violence/ …”
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I don’t think you bothered to go there and check out his conclusions…
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No bombing since … 2001
No shootings since … 2000
No murders since … 1998
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Are those historical facts or not? Why are you trying to make a point by going back to the 1990’s [someone, for instance like McVeigh who bombed in Oklahoma City in 1995] and claiming there is some kind of rash of [right wing] violence now n 2009…
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Look inward, sir… There may be a drama queen closer than you think…
Sorry, AJ, but killing doctors is not “true conservatism”.
Gee Frogg, I never said it was. What I said was the DHS has been proven right to be concerned about extreme right wing violence, and clearly was not concerned with all those drama queens in the ‘true conservative’ choir.
For all those who do not know the violent history of the ‘pro life’ movement it’s time for a trip down memory lane:
Being a squishy ‘moderate’ who is pro-life I fight against that small violent minority who take the law into their own hands (eerily just like al Qaeda does when it sees a perceived sin against its religion).
Call me crazy, but the rule of law rules all.
Oh come on AJ. No one ever said there were no extremists on both sides of the debate. Obviously they are. What that DHS report did however, was to insult all sorts of people who have never done anything that was in any way illegal or extremists.
They talked in very broad terms and generalities and it was about politics and nothing else. Even the American Legion called them on that report.
And I am not calling you crazy but you are going to extremes yourself. In the latest polling on the subject prolifers represent about half the country. Am I to assume that half the country are right wing extremists?
There have been 8 people killed by anti abortionists. And until the Tiller murder it had been a decade since there was such a killing. Now that does not sound to me like some huge movement of millions of crazies who have to watched and dogged by the Department of Homeland Security.
AJ, I have seen you get plenty upset whenever people on the right talked about illegal aliens committing crimes. And I tend to agree with you on that subject more often than not, but I have to say that there have been a lot more instances of illegals committing crimes than there have been of anti abortionists committing crimes.
And why should I believe Roeder knows what he is talking about? The man is nuts.