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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are people on the left who are already saying that the Tea Parties are the same kind of extremism. I wonder if Obama&#039;s DHS will do a &quot;report&quot; on them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are people on the left who are already saying that the Tea Parties are the same kind of extremism. I wonder if Obama&#8217;s DHS will do a &#8220;report&#8221; on them?</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ:

I don&#039;t agree with everything &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reason.com/blog/show/134066.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jesse Walker&lt;/a&gt; says about DHS, but this was exactly right I think:

Why did the DHS report come under such fire? It wasn&#039;t because far-right cranks are incapable of committing crimes. It&#039;s because the paper blew the threat of right-wing terror out of proportion, just as the Clinton administration did in the &#039;90s; because it treated &quot;extremism&quot; itself as a potential threat, while offering a definition of extremist so broad it seemed it include anyone who opposed abortion or immigration or excessive federal power; and because it fretted about the danger of &quot;the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities.&quot; (Note that neither the killing in Kansas last month nor the shooting in Washington yesterday was committed by an Iraq or Afghanistan vet.) The effect isn&#039;t to make right-wing terror attacks less likely. It&#039;s to make it easier to smear nonviolent, noncriminal figures on the right, just as the most substantial effect of a red scare was to make it easier to smear nonviolent, noncriminal figures on the left. The fact that communist spies really existed didn&#039;t justify Joseph McCarthy&#039;s antics, and the fact that armed extremists really exist doesn&#039;t justify the Department of Homeland Security&#039;s report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with everything <a href="http://www.reason.com/blog/show/134066.html" rel="nofollow">Jesse Walker</a> says about DHS, but this was exactly right I think:</p>
<p>Why did the DHS report come under such fire? It wasn&#8217;t because far-right cranks are incapable of committing crimes. It&#8217;s because the paper blew the threat of right-wing terror out of proportion, just as the Clinton administration did in the &#8217;90s; because it treated &#8220;extremism&#8221; itself as a potential threat, while offering a definition of extremist so broad it seemed it include anyone who opposed abortion or immigration or excessive federal power; and because it fretted about the danger of &#8220;the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities.&#8221; (Note that neither the killing in Kansas last month nor the shooting in Washington yesterday was committed by an Iraq or Afghanistan vet.) The effect isn&#8217;t to make right-wing terror attacks less likely. It&#8217;s to make it easier to smear nonviolent, noncriminal figures on the right, just as the most substantial effect of a red scare was to make it easier to smear nonviolent, noncriminal figures on the left. The fact that communist spies really existed didn&#8217;t justify Joseph McCarthy&#8217;s antics, and the fact that armed extremists really exist doesn&#8217;t justify the Department of Homeland Security&#8217;s report.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been unconfirmed reports that James W. von Brunn was registered as a Democrat in the state of Maryland</description>
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		<title>By: marksbbr</title>
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		<dc:creator>marksbbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will admit that I occasionally check out various Socialist/Communist websites and white supremacist whacko sites.  Not because I subscribe to any of the views, but just to see how the most extreme of both sides perceive various issues.  I have been doing this throughout the Bush years.  I assure all of you, that the racist neo-nazis HATED Bush.  And they were strongly opposed to the Iraq war.  To them, the Iraq war is a war on Israel&#039;s behalf.  Many of their blog posts called for Bush to be impeached, just like many on the left.  So how could sane thinking person atempt to tie this kook to the right wing? Probably our friends on the left are either too lazy to check on these background facts, or too eager to score political points.

This tragic incident reminds me of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.  Helping victims is not of any importance to various talking pinheads on TV or in the blogosphere.  What is more important, is using a national tragedy in order to smear political opponents.

My prayers go out to the fallen security guard&#039;s family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will admit that I occasionally check out various Socialist/Communist websites and white supremacist whacko sites.  Not because I subscribe to any of the views, but just to see how the most extreme of both sides perceive various issues.  I have been doing this throughout the Bush years.  I assure all of you, that the racist neo-nazis HATED Bush.  And they were strongly opposed to the Iraq war.  To them, the Iraq war is a war on Israel&#8217;s behalf.  Many of their blog posts called for Bush to be impeached, just like many on the left.  So how could sane thinking person atempt to tie this kook to the right wing? Probably our friends on the left are either too lazy to check on these background facts, or too eager to score political points.</p>
<p>This tragic incident reminds me of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.  Helping victims is not of any importance to various talking pinheads on TV or in the blogosphere.  What is more important, is using a national tragedy in order to smear political opponents.</p>
<p>My prayers go out to the fallen security guard&#8217;s family.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crpsspatch:

I should have read your comment before I wrote that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crpsspatch:</p>
<p>I should have read your comment before I wrote that.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ:

Brunn was supposedly targeting Fox News and the Weekly Standard, and he is a registered Democrat.

And no, most socalled sane conservatives did not know that the DHS report was only targeting extremists. Unless of course you think the American Legion leadership is insane.

When the DHS report talked about left wing groups, they talked about specific groups and people...when they talked about right wing extremists, they did not specify groups...they simply referred to veterans, abortion opponents and such. So that means you too AJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ:</p>
<p>Brunn was supposedly targeting Fox News and the Weekly Standard, and he is a registered Democrat.</p>
<p>And no, most socalled sane conservatives did not know that the DHS report was only targeting extremists. Unless of course you think the American Legion leadership is insane.</p>
<p>When the DHS report talked about left wing groups, they talked about specific groups and people&#8230;when they talked about right wing extremists, they did not specify groups&#8230;they simply referred to veterans, abortion opponents and such. So that means you too AJ.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guy is a left wing wacko.  Hated conservatives, hated Jews.  

He is a registered Democrat in Maryland.  He also allegedly had &quot;The Weekly Standard&quot; on his target list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy is a left wing wacko.  Hated conservatives, hated Jews.  </p>
<p>He is a registered Democrat in Maryland.  He also allegedly had &#8220;The Weekly Standard&#8221; on his target list.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, now we have to mirandize them? Can we do it after who shoot them or blow them up?

Speaking of morons ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, now we have to mirandize them? Can we do it after who shoot them or blow them up?</p>
<p>Speaking of morons &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, fixed it.  The html format was not right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, fixed it.  The html format was not right.</p>
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		<title>By: gary1son</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary1son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, the link that was supposed to be tagged to &quot;millions of torturous and violent deaths&quot; didn&#039;t show up.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, the link that was supposed to be tagged to &#8220;millions of torturous and violent deaths&#8221; didn&#8217;t show up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/</a></p>
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		<title>By: DaleinAtlanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaleinAtlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well AJ, I understand your frustration, and I&#039;m right there with you buddy.

But.....

Get used to it, because The ONE is back to the &quot;Law Enforcement Appproach&quot;, as he&#039;s secretly ordered FBI Agents to &quot;Mirandize&quot; &quot;HVT&#039;s&quot; captured on the Battlefield.

Anyone want to start an over/under on when the NEXT 9/11 takes place?

Of course, it will be &quot;Bush&#039;s Fault&quot;, when it does happen!

We. Are. So. Screwed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well AJ, I understand your frustration, and I&#8217;m right there with you buddy.</p>
<p>But&#8230;..</p>
<p>Get used to it, because The ONE is back to the &#8220;Law Enforcement Appproach&#8221;, as he&#8217;s secretly ordered FBI Agents to &#8220;Mirandize&#8221; &#8220;HVT&#8217;s&#8221; captured on the Battlefield.</p>
<p>Anyone want to start an over/under on when the NEXT 9/11 takes place?</p>
<p>Of course, it will be &#8220;Bush&#8217;s Fault&#8221;, when it does happen!</p>
<p>We. Are. So. Screwed!</p>
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		<title>By: gary1son</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary1son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched Keith Olberman&#039;s take-off on this supposed &quot;right-wing&quot; act of violence, and how it so justifies and dignifies the recent DHS report.  &quot;What was Janet apologizing for,&quot;  he asked?  His chose the broadest brush he could lift to help him paint the right with guilt over this unfortunate event.

But I think he and others who are so quick to categorize are missing the bigger picture. 

In terms of &lt;i&gt;today&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; right and left in America,  this guy seems to fit much better on the left, IF we feel we must categorize him leftward or rightward.  I doubt the DHS would have found this guy at a &quot;Tea Party&quot;, but more likely contributing comments to &quot;The Daily Kos&quot;.

Today, the left is all about the control of populations and the power of the state, while today&#039;s right trumpets individual freedom and individual rights, within reasonable limits of course.  Carbon (read freedom) control, national health care, political correctness, gun control, hate (read thought) crime legislation, on and on and on -- all devices of the left to exert state power via intimidation and indoctrination of the masses, at the expense of personal liberties. 

White supremacists and Shoah shirkers do not care about the individual.  They are concerned with group and/or state power, as were the Nazis this guy worships, and as is fundamentalist Islam.  They, along with other control freaks and Stalinists, being responsible for untold &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;millions of  torturous and violent deaths&lt;/a&gt; through history  -- all in the name of collective power and control by a select few chosen elites.  Power --- kills.

The modern left, having little interest anymore in classic liberalism, seems more sympathetic towards Islamic terrorists and Latin American Marxist/Communist  charmers -- all interested not a bit in the rights of individuals to pursue happiness on their own terms -- than they are toward the American soldier, who defends a country founded on principles of individuality, not statism.

Sorry, but both Von Brunn and &quot;Muhammad&quot; (who shot the recruit recently) are leftists, by any  practical definition.

Their attitudes toward the American military, Israel, Islam, the Holocaust, and more broadly human freedom and equality vs human control and obsessive pigeonholing -- are far better aligned with that famous leftist Barack Obama, his former black-separatist preacher and their friends at &quot;The Daily Kos&quot; -- than they are with say ...... Sarah Palin, that gun-totin&#039; stimulus-denyin&#039; universal building code-hatin&#039;  &quot;right winger&quot; with an Israeli flag in her office.  

I think perhaps our DHS needs to reevaluate its left-wing / right-wing rating system, and they may be wasting tons of time on the distractions and false leads the current thinking causes.  Things fit better and make more sense when we think of the scale as moving between those devoted to state or group control -- and those believing in simple and traditional personal freedom and its beneficial byproduct -- capitalism.

I see the former as much more inherently dangerous and omni-threatening, sometimes in ways that don&#039;t gain the spotlight and don&#039;t kill outright, while the latter is subject only to a rare (and certainly not rational or condoned)  loss of composure due to an overwhelming onslaught upon their freedoms, sensibilities and long-standing traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched Keith Olberman&#8217;s take-off on this supposed &#8220;right-wing&#8221; act of violence, and how it so justifies and dignifies the recent DHS report.  &#8220;What was Janet apologizing for,&#8221;  he asked?  His chose the broadest brush he could lift to help him paint the right with guilt over this unfortunate event.</p>
<p>But I think he and others who are so quick to categorize are missing the bigger picture. </p>
<p>In terms of <i>today&#8217;s</i> right and left in America,  this guy seems to fit much better on the left, IF we feel we must categorize him leftward or rightward.  I doubt the DHS would have found this guy at a &#8220;Tea Party&#8221;, but more likely contributing comments to &#8220;The Daily Kos&#8221;.</p>
<p>Today, the left is all about the control of populations and the power of the state, while today&#8217;s right trumpets individual freedom and individual rights, within reasonable limits of course.  Carbon (read freedom) control, national health care, political correctness, gun control, hate (read thought) crime legislation, on and on and on &#8212; all devices of the left to exert state power via intimidation and indoctrination of the masses, at the expense of personal liberties. </p>
<p>White supremacists and Shoah shirkers do not care about the individual.  They are concerned with group and/or state power, as were the Nazis this guy worships, and as is fundamentalist Islam.  They, along with other control freaks and Stalinists, being responsible for untold <a href="http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/" rel="nofollow">millions of  torturous and violent deaths</a> through history  &#8212; all in the name of collective power and control by a select few chosen elites.  Power &#8212; kills.</p>
<p>The modern left, having little interest anymore in classic liberalism, seems more sympathetic towards Islamic terrorists and Latin American Marxist/Communist  charmers &#8212; all interested not a bit in the rights of individuals to pursue happiness on their own terms &#8212; than they are toward the American soldier, who defends a country founded on principles of individuality, not statism.</p>
<p>Sorry, but both Von Brunn and &#8220;Muhammad&#8221; (who shot the recruit recently) are leftists, by any  practical definition.</p>
<p>Their attitudes toward the American military, Israel, Islam, the Holocaust, and more broadly human freedom and equality vs human control and obsessive pigeonholing &#8212; are far better aligned with that famous leftist Barack Obama, his former black-separatist preacher and their friends at &#8220;The Daily Kos&#8221; &#8212; than they are with say &#8230;&#8230; Sarah Palin, that gun-totin&#8217; stimulus-denyin&#8217; universal building code-hatin&#8217;  &#8220;right winger&#8221; with an Israeli flag in her office.  </p>
<p>I think perhaps our DHS needs to reevaluate its left-wing / right-wing rating system, and they may be wasting tons of time on the distractions and false leads the current thinking causes.  Things fit better and make more sense when we think of the scale as moving between those devoted to state or group control &#8212; and those believing in simple and traditional personal freedom and its beneficial byproduct &#8212; capitalism.</p>
<p>I see the former as much more inherently dangerous and omni-threatening, sometimes in ways that don&#8217;t gain the spotlight and don&#8217;t kill outright, while the latter is subject only to a rare (and certainly not rational or condoned)  loss of composure due to an overwhelming onslaught upon their freedoms, sensibilities and long-standing traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Frogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Weekly Standard magazine  may have been one of Brunn&#039;s targets also.</description>
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		<title>By: owl</title>
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		<dc:creator>owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This particular nut is a white racist the same way that the Wright nut is a black racist.  They hate.  So, anyone know any conservatives that would like to sit and listen to either for 20 years?  Nope.  Neither fall into a slot that a sane person would attend more than once.  I tend to think this Brunn falls closer left than right because unlike the right, the left does not even attempt to renounce their racists.  Nope.  They make them legal and legit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This particular nut is a white racist the same way that the Wright nut is a black racist.  They hate.  So, anyone know any conservatives that would like to sit and listen to either for 20 years?  Nope.  Neither fall into a slot that a sane person would attend more than once.  I tend to think this Brunn falls closer left than right because unlike the right, the left does not even attempt to renounce their racists.  Nope.  They make them legal and legit.</p>
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		<title>By: Frogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No AJ, I am not trying to pin the nut on the left.   I simply posted some articles to counter the MSM/lib bloggers trying to tarnish the right with this guy.

Here were my words:

&quot;The thing is, I doubt any nutcase fits into a single category. Extremism like this belongs in a category by itself. I donâ€™t think they should paint any nut (or groups of nuts) into â€œright wingâ€ or â€œleft wingâ€ unless those groups claim them or support them. Itâ€™s an insult, devisive, and pits groups against each other (which only stirs up more anger).&quot;

&quot;It just goes to show that â€œhateâ€ isnâ€™t â€œleftâ€ or â€œrightâ€â€¦â€¦itâ€™s â€œevilâ€.

And, all this â€œleft vs right extremismâ€ division is a distraction and irrelevant.&quot;

I&#039;ve already spoken to the faulty report.   Homeland Security apologized and withdrew the report pointing out the flaws themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No AJ, I am not trying to pin the nut on the left.   I simply posted some articles to counter the MSM/lib bloggers trying to tarnish the right with this guy.</p>
<p>Here were my words:</p>
<p>&#8220;The thing is, I doubt any nutcase fits into a single category. Extremism like this belongs in a category by itself. I donâ€™t think they should paint any nut (or groups of nuts) into â€œright wingâ€ or â€œleft wingâ€ unless those groups claim them or support them. Itâ€™s an insult, devisive, and pits groups against each other (which only stirs up more anger).&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It just goes to show that â€œhateâ€ isnâ€™t â€œleftâ€ or â€œrightâ€â€¦â€¦itâ€™s â€œevilâ€.</p>
<p>And, all this â€œleft vs right extremismâ€ division is a distraction and irrelevant.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already spoken to the faulty report.   Homeland Security apologized and withdrew the report pointing out the flaws themselves.</p>
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