Comments on: Obamacare: Only The Strong Will Survive IV http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/9971 High Flying Political Debate Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:03:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mike M. http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/9971/comment-page-1#comment-478464 Mike M. Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:54:02 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=9971#comment-478464 Nobody seems to have mentioned the Nasty Unwritten Part....access to and quality of health care will both depend on your status as a Democrat Party contributor. I have friends who live in the Democrat part of Pennsylvania - and they report that if you want your elected representatives to do ANYTHING, you have to write a check to their campaign fund. Add to this the fact that Obama is a product of the Chicago political machine, the hands-down winner of the Most Corrupt Government competition in the United States. We're talking about a Fourth World kleptocracy here. Does anyone seriously think that the Democrats won't use this as an opportunity to wring campaign contributions from the sick? Or use it as a tool to silence critics? Nobody seems to have mentioned the Nasty Unwritten Part….access to and quality of health care will both depend on your status as a Democrat Party contributor.

I have friends who live in the Democrat part of Pennsylvania – and they report that if you want your elected representatives to do ANYTHING, you have to write a check to their campaign fund.

Add to this the fact that Obama is a product of the Chicago political machine, the hands-down winner of the Most Corrupt Government competition in the United States. We’re talking about a Fourth World kleptocracy here.

Does anyone seriously think that the Democrats won’t use this as an opportunity to wring campaign contributions from the sick? Or use it as a tool to silence critics?

]]> By: WWS http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/9971/comment-page-1#comment-478463 WWS Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:53:01 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=9971#comment-478463 President Biden would go to the Ukraine and say "Whoa, buddy, your womyns are HOT!" Well at least that's what Vice President Biden did! President Biden would go to the Ukraine and say “Whoa, buddy, your womyns are HOT!”

Well at least that’s what Vice President Biden did!

]]> By: BarbaraS http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/9971/comment-page-1#comment-478411 BarbaraS Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:02:07 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=9971#comment-478411 This whole health care bill is unconstitutional. This whole health care bill is unconstitutional.

]]> By: BarbaraS http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/9971/comment-page-1#comment-478408 BarbaraS Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:01:08 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=9971#comment-478408 National ID health cards? And these dems pitched such a fit about issuing ID cards to vote. Consistentcy is not their strong point. What am I saying? We all know anything that benefits them at the moment is gold even if it is diatremetricly the opposite of what went on before. This health care bill, if passed, will regulate all our lives from cradle (if we make it that far) to grave (and gov. will make sure that comes sooner rather than later). Obama is a disaster. National ID health cards? And these dems pitched such a fit about issuing ID cards to vote. Consistentcy is not their strong point. What am I saying? We all know anything that benefits them at the moment is gold even if it is diatremetricly the opposite of what went on before. This health care bill, if passed, will regulate all our lives from cradle (if we make it that far) to grave (and gov. will make sure that comes sooner rather than later). Obama is a disaster.

]]> By: Neo http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/9971/comment-page-1#comment-478258 Neo Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:41:57 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=9971#comment-478258 Let's see, the President has a filibuster proof Democratic Senate, a +60 seat margin in the House, a favorable press, a fawning Hollywood, a supportive academia and he is still whining about Republicans. Makes me wonder what President Biden would do ? Let’s see, the President has a filibuster proof Democratic Senate, a +60 seat margin in the House, a favorable press, a fawning Hollywood, a supportive academia and he is still whining about Republicans.

Makes me wonder what President Biden would do ?

]]> By: bobsunshine http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/9971/comment-page-1#comment-478201 bobsunshine Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:25:10 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=9971#comment-478201 Think what you heard about ObamaCare is scary, read the following from the web site: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's): Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!! Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice! PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued! Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN). Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control. PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare! PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed -PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make. Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families. Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay) Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans. PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions. Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u. Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own. Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!! Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!! Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone? PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory! PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order. PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!? Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN? PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs Think what you heard about ObamaCare is scary, read the following from the web site:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html

Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman’s):

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill – HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill – Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill – Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example – Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members – U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ #AMA – The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you’ll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs

]]> By: WWS http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/9971/comment-page-1#comment-478196 WWS Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:19:11 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=9971#comment-478196 Look who may NOT survive Obamacare - Arlen Specter! http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1351 "Sen. Arlen Specter's 20-point lead over former Congressman Pat Toomey less than three months ago has virtually vanished," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. "Voters see Sen. Specter much less favorably than they once did and are net negative about giving him a sixth term in the U.S. Senate. Independent voters have shifted narrowly to Toomey 46 - 42 percent and say 53 - 35 percent that Specter does not deserve reelection." But isn't Toomey one of those hard core, far right radicals? How could he be pulling ahead of such a nice, reasonable "moderate" like Specter? And in a blue state like Pennsylvania, of all places! Look who may NOT survive Obamacare – Arlen Specter!

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1351

“Sen. Arlen Specter’s 20-point lead over former Congressman Pat Toomey less than three months ago has virtually vanished,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

“Voters see Sen. Specter much less favorably than they once did and are net negative about giving him a sixth term in the U.S. Senate. Independent voters have shifted narrowly to Toomey 46 – 42 percent and say 53 – 35 percent that Specter does not deserve reelection.”

But isn’t Toomey one of those hard core, far right radicals? How could he be pulling ahead of such a nice, reasonable “moderate” like Specter? And in a blue state like Pennsylvania, of all places!

]]> By: kathie http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/9971/comment-page-1#comment-478186 kathie Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:26:18 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=9971#comment-478186 Obama wants Medicare decisions made in Washington. Now States set rates, closer to the people who are elected and must make good decisions for their people. I think the elderly would have a better chance if decision making stays in the states. Lets not give everybody mediocre care trying to insure those who are not now insured. This is my worry. Obama wants Medicare decisions made in Washington. Now States set rates, closer to the people who are elected and must make good decisions for their people. I think the elderly would have a better chance if decision making stays in the states.

Lets not give everybody mediocre care trying to insure those who are not now insured. This is my worry.

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