Dec 13 2006
Civil War Will Break Out In The ME
Saudi Arabia has made it clear that they will run to support the Iraqi Sunni’s if the USE tries to run from its responsibilities in Iraq, setting the stage for an Arab Persian war between Iran and the Shiites in Iraq and Sunni and their Arab allies.
Saudi Arabia has told the Bush administration that it might provide financial backing to Iraqi Sunnis in any war against Iraq’s Shiites if the United States pulls its troops out of Iraq, according to American and Arab diplomats.
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia conveyed that message to Vice President Dick Cheney two weeks ago during Mr. Cheney’s whirlwind visit to Riyadh, the officials said. During the visit, King Abdullah also expressed strong opposition to diplomatic talks between the United States and Iran, and pushed for Washington to encourage the resumption of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, senior Bush administration officials said.
The Saudi warning reflects fears among America’s Sunni Arab allies about Iran’s rising influence in Iraq, coupled with Tehran’s nuclear ambitions. King Abdullah II of Jordan has also expressed concern about rising Shiite influence, and about the prospect that the Shiite-dominated government would use Iraqi troops against the Sunni population.
In essence, there is no Mullligans foreign policy and all those democrats and wishy-washy Republicans that voted back in 2002 to take out Saddam knew this was a vote for the long run. George Bush is not the problem because we have hit a rough spot that is testing our resolve and our will. This is the first test we have had during the entire Iraq effort.
But the John Kerry’s and his ilk who voted to support the President are the real problem, and the ones who have failed America. The situation in Iraq is a test of wills. Saudi Arabia and Jordan have said they know what they must do to counter Iran and its terrorist tentacles. And no one should be so naive not to appreciate Iran’s ties to Al Qaeda and similar groups. Not to mention their deep down jealousy that it was not they who were behind 9-11. I am sure they are working to see if they can help bring on the next 9-11 somewhere. Mad Ahmedinejad has been boasting of pending destruction for Israel and The West for some time.
And every US democratic leader who whined about how hard it was Iraq was boosting the will of Al Qaeda and its allies. We were intercepting communications between the Al Qaeda leaders in Iraq and top Al Qaeda circles near Bin Laden lamenting how bad the situation was for the insurgents. There was much hand wringing on the other side and talk of giving up on Iraq and trying to move to another battlefield.
But then the partisan opportunist rekindled the hope of our enemies as they campaigned on an unrealistic (and undefined) ‘new way’ in Iraq. Sadly Americans thought the Democrats actually had an idea hidden away in their. Even more disturbing is the Islamo Fascists believed they would run away. But we cannot run away. We must continue to push for success. If we leave the place will erupt and we will have to come back in with an even bigger problem, one spread across many naitons. So let’s stop fantasizing about what Iraq is all about. The Baker group was a paid PR attempt by Congress to avoid the problem by mandating we withdrawl before the 2008 election cycle begins. For that bit of cowardice the entire lot should be thrown out. Why they spent American tax dollars to try and sell a figleaf for them and a disaster for the world is just mind boggling. Whatever it was, it was not an easy answer. There are no easy answers. This will take what it takes. People who wish things would get over quicker so they can get back to their personal priorities are just learning a hard lesson of life. There are no short cuts, not free lunches, and lenty of really tough problems that can take generations to resolves. Not days or years – generations.
Hi Ken! I was wondering how long it would take you to chew throught the leather straps again. The more I read what you say, the more I am convinced that you are nothing more than a palestinian propagandest. I would remind you that America’s “meddling” in world affairs has brought freedom to tens of millions of people all over the world. We don’t teach our children that other races drink our childrens blood and are mixed with pigs and such. We don’t focus our education on hating someone else just because they are not like us. Sure, we have never been perfect, but the difference between us and people who strap bombs on their kids is that we have tried to be better people, and for the most part we have succeeded. We have made great strides in human rights and personal freedoms and that has caused tremendous personal prosperity in our county. That is what democracy is. That is what we have to offer the world and wherever it has been accepted, it has benefited those people greatly. What have the “anti-zionist” wackjobs done but teach children how to blow themselves up? What have the head chopping peoples of the world contributed to humanity? The only reason that they hate us is that we are successful. If the people in their country see what we have and want it, it is the end of the head choppers power. That is why they hate us. Just yesterday, the Iranian Psycho was being jeered and booed by his own people. Young people in Iran don’t want to be led by nutjobs, they want to be free and prosperous and lead good lives, that doesn’t jive with what the finatics want. Change is coming Ken, whether you like it or not!
Very well said BikerKen, excellent restraint while discussing an America hater.
Yes, we can not just dodge this bullet. I am sure most Americans would like to just build a wall and forget the world, but that is not just possible.
And I too wonder if Ken is really an American. There is something in the way he expresses himself that makes me believe that English is not his native language. Maybe Farsi.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/12/14/the_bloodbath_we_created.php
First things first, true-believing tykes. An excellent piece I came across today outlining why Strata is exactly wrong, along with the
balance of the ruling elite, about America’s possibilities in Iraq.
Now to my envious critics-For Enforcement is living in the past.
The Serbs disdain us and the Kosovans aren’t satisfied.
Western Europe doesn’t “appreciate us” anymore and we turned
over Eastern Euroep to Stalin in the first place.
As far as the Middle East, it hates us with a passion, save
Israel, which owns us.
Bikerken-Ahmadjinad has a better approval rating than Bush.
And if you study the terroristic founding of the state of Israel
you will understand the violence of anti-Zionism. Change is
coming , indeed ongoing in the form of American economic social and ethnic instability,precluding our remaking the world into
the raffish Hollywoood/New York least-denominator culture
of hip hop/ Coca Cola/McDonalds materialism—and our inert
failure in the Iraq endeavour should have been a giveaway.
Terrye-you gave yourself away-you conceded the healthy
America First instinct of the masses and your wish its
will be thwarted by the Empire of big business plutocracy, military/industrial complex, and the Zionist Lobby .
Un-named muslim guy in France:
quoting from your link
“Porter was a Ph.D. candidate specializing in Vietnamese history and politics who debunked the Nixon administration’s “bloodbath” argument”
Debunked the bloodbath argument? So this idiot didn’t know that a bloodbath followed the US withdrawal from Viet Nam.
So much for his credibility.
and for yours:
Well, ….. you never had any.
The internet has done one thing, it allows people in France to communicate just as if they are in the US.
For Enforcement
“I guess the terrorists are gonna be furious when the first major move after what they thought was our surrender in November will be to put in about 20,000 more troops”
Are you gonna be furious when the 20,000 troops have no effect on the resiliency of the insurgency? By the way it is my impression they are not being sent into the heart of the insurgency, Anbar, but into Baghdad, but the question still stands as the locale won’t matter.
http://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=127
and if you aren’t satisfied with Porter try the very conservative
General Odom’s new offering on the hopelessness of Iraq from the Hudson Institute above.
Ken,
You said Dems only voted for the war because the “neocons” told them it’d be over quick.
Are you gonna try to tell me that these people cast their votes based on what one small group of people, who they didn’t even trust, told them?
I think not.
More likely they voted to remove Saddam for the same reasons that Clinton/Gore made the regime change policy on Iraq and so did the Senate and then the Dems DEMANDED a vote on the issue to show voters they weren’t soft just before mid-terms.
Opposing the war is one thing but just flat out lying about the events leading up to it isn’t going to get you very far because the people reading this blog don’t suffer from the same type of amnesia about Iraq’s threat that the Dems and media try to pretend they do.
Mark, also, the Senate was, in fact, under the control of Dems at the time of the vote in 2002.
and for the:
Un-named Muslim guy in France,
Throwing up another Progressive guy’s names and links aren’t impressive. He’s probably over there with you and Jacque.
For Enforcement
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4940DA96-ABAE-4684-B86E-831004B3185A.htm
90% of Iraqis say life was better under Saddam. But you in your superannuated cloister in suburban America know what’s best for them don’t you, warmonger?
Mark78
I am not a Democrat, but they did NOT have access to the dissenting intelligence Bush did, as Florida Sen. Graham wrote in his book, intelligence barred to the public. I would put their party’s culpability at 35% to the GOP’s 65%. We need a third party an America First Party.
Un-named Muslim guy in France
Do you ever read anything from American sources?
Did you do the polling in Iraq?
Do you personally believe ANY poll ‘supposedly’ taken in Iraq?
If you think the situation is stable enough that thousands of pollsters are roaming around door to door gathering meaningful poll data, then you think it is even more stable there than I do.
The 90% that say life was better under Saddam are still alive, thankfully for them because America chose to ‘meddle’ in Iraq. The 100% that would say life under Saddam was worse are DEAD.
And how is life in Suburban America different than life there in Muslim Ghettos in France?
Un-named Muslim guy in France
just for the record, you said:
90% of Iraqis say life was better under Saddam
The quote from the link stated:
More than 90 per cent of Iraqis believe the country is worse off now than before the war in 2003,
Do you believe these two sentences to be stating the same thing?
If you do, you need to go back to 3rd grade reading comprehension.
For Enforcement
“The 90% that say life was better under Saddam are still alive, thankfully for them because America chose to ‘meddle’ in Iraq.* The 100% that would say life under Saddam was worse are DEAD. “*
*How could they opine about that which had not yet happened,
master of illogic?*
“The quote from the link stated:
More than 90 per cent of Iraqis believe the country is worse off now than before the war in 2003,
Do you believe these two sentences to be stating the same thing?”
Yes, and you need a course in basic logic.
“And how is life in Suburban America different than life there in Muslim Ghettos in France? ”
But since you believe France has a nation-threatening problem
with Moslem immigrants, you just conceded America is
away attempting (unsuccessfuly, thank God) to be the world’s policeman while containing a nation-threatening problem within our own borders. Thank you for your concession, one which has
obvious ramifications.
nothing there worth commenting on. The person that wrote that was so stupid, he wouldn’t understand it anyhow
and the Iraqi Red Crescent says US forces are more destructive than the insurgents. nothing there For Enforcement of Ad Hominem can deal with either….
Hominem?
You talking about grits?
On another post AJ complained about “uninformed meddlers” trying to run Iraqi policy. He meant Democrats but he could have as easily been talking about the entire Bush Iraq (and Middle East) policy team,considering the results of the war.