Dec 14 2006
Pretending To Be President
US Senators needs to remind themselves they are not elected to be President and lead foreign policy. We know the Democrata like to pretend they are all knowing and all powerful – but the rest of us know what results from naive and uninformed meddlers.
Hey dodo bird, you made this statement, now back it up.
“The Constitution, Jerry, says Congress must declare war, ”
Cut and paste, from the Constitution, where it says that. That congress”must” declare war.
Of course I realize that’ll probably come after you figure out which countries left the British Empire during Churchill’s term.
You are the only ignorant ass that constantly makes dumbass statements like this on this blog and NEVER backs it up.
Not once have you ever backed up anything you are challenged on.
How about it Muslim guy?
Tell you what, moron, who believed the Ku Klux Klan was a northern
organization before it spread to the South–(yeah, caps intended for the Confederacy which had every right to leave and not the north, but I digress)– I’ll let one of the few Congressmen who adheres to the Constitution explain it for you and why the Iraq war is illegal.
He’s a right-winger by the way.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul57.html
And that quote from the Constitution stating that Congress”must” declare war is?
And the countries that left the British Empire under Churchill are?
As usual all huff and puff. That’s two clearly outright lies that you stated and when challenged to prove either tried blowing smoke.
All smoke and mirrors
Give Jacques our “worst” Muslim Guy
He’s a right-winger by the way.
You wouldn’t know a right winger if he were there in the Muslim Ghettos with you
Muslim guy, if you go to Google and type in U S Constitution, you can read it and see what it really says. Cut and paste from there what you are claiming.
When you graduate from basic US History /19th Century, you can
work your way toward the history of the British Empire, numbskull,
and differentiate “outright lies,” from truisms.
Enjoying the debacle wherein three more Marines yesterday died for Iran’s increased power?
Still dodging muslim guy?
For Enforcement
Since you are as unfocussed as the typical MTV viewer
here’s the essential past from Paul, a right-wing Republican.
“The process by which we’ve entered wars over the past 57 years, and the inconclusive results of each war since that time, are obviously related to Congress’ abdication of its responsibility regarding war, given to it by **Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.**
Congress has either ignored its responsibility entirely over these years, or transferred the war power to the executive branch by a near majority vote of its Members, without consideration of it by the states as an amendment required by the Constitution.”
You are obviously satisfied with Congressional abrogation and
docility so enjoy the defeat in the sands!
Ken
I don’t believe a declaration of war has to ratified by the states. That would be asinine.
Listening to your rants reminds me that all the negative things our senators and congressmen and the media say on their own cognizance about this administrtion will be used by our enemies against us and they will try to show the rest of the world that we are a divided nation who will not fight for our rights. It would be best in a time of war for them to keep their mouths shut and leave politics by the wayside.
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003522695
Barbee -do you find it unsettling that your first lady isn’t aware of the
sad state of the Iraqi school system, as shown by her complaint and in gruesome detail by the lengthy LA Times report?
And Barbee you’re not a close reader. It is the Congressional abrogation of its duty which should have been ratified by the states.
Ken, let me tell you where you slipped a cog.
The Constitution gives the Congress the authority to declare war. It does not REQUIRE congress to declare war. To you, that may seem as a requirement that Congress MUST declare war. To me the Constitution does not require war to be declared, ever.
If you disagree, cut and paste from the Constitution the relevant words.
You said:”Congress has either ignored its responsibility entirely over these years,” What is that responsibility that they’ve ignored?
They don’t have a ‘RESPONSIBILITY’ to declare war. They can if they choose to, but they aren’t required to.
The President is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and he has the authority to use those forces to protect America.
If Congress chooses to declare war they may, and if they don’t agree with the use of the military by the president they have the authority to not fund it, but they don’t have the power to vote for the president to NOT use the military, they just can vote to deny certain funds. Note however that the Constitution does REQUIRE congress to fund both a Navy and an Army.(but not necessarily a war)
It is not the responsibility for Congress to vote any particular way to suit America’s haters or Pres Bush’s haters. Only to comply with the Constitution, and they have.
If you need any more lessons on interpreting the Constitution, just ask. Most Americans have a good understanding already but we usually excuse French Muslims.
After you get that, list the countries that left the British Empire while Churchill was in office.
This is one reason you have no business calling Murtha or anyone
else a “traitor,” because no war no treason. Of course Congress
should not have declared war;quite the contrary, it should have
cut off funds for Bush’s illegal faux war (Constititionally) immediately. It should have also taken measures to ascertain what was easily ascertainable-the intelligence was being cherrypicked
for an apriori decision, that chosen being untenably provided by
untrustworthies often working through a Pentagon/Tel Aviv axis.
The whole point is that the original powers delegation intended
by the Founders has been disassembled and the American ruling class
is incompetent, arrogant, amoral and well-deserving of another
Vietnam defeat,which it is getting.
See what I mean about French Muslims not understanding the US constitution.
Congress authorized the military action, therefore it is not illegal.
The Dems were in charge of the Senate at the time, if you recall.
There is no constitutional requirement for the Congress to determine if the intelligence is accurate or not. In fact, even if they do determine that it’s not, that’s not grounds for cutting of funds for an ‘authorized military action’. So they would be the ones acting illegally.
The Constitution does not require that the Pentagon/tel aviv axis be trustworthy. In fact it does not provide for the Congress to cut off funds even if it did find it to not be trustworthy for an ‘authorized military action’.
A traitor is someone that aids and abets the enemy in time of war. Who said there was no war. The treason requirement is not for only a ‘declared’ war. That fits Murtha very well. Remember lesson one, there is no requirement for Congress to declare war even if there is a war. It only provides that IF a war is declared, it will be congress that does it.
You said:”The whole point is that the original powers delegation intended by the Founders has been disassembled ”
How do you know what was ‘intended’? It is easy to know what they actually put into law, it is written as the Constitution. I don’t know any place where they wrote down their ‘intentions’ and even if it did, I don’t know of any ‘intentions’ that were passed as ‘laws’.
Geez, Frenchie, a few dozen more lessons and maybe you’ll at least begin to have a little basic knowledge of the US Constitution.
“However, McKinney finally stumbles on an impeachable offence in Article III. The bill states in part: “… by circumventing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act courts established by Congress, whose express purpose is to check such abuses of executive power, provoking the presiding judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to file a complaint and another judge to resign in protest, the said program having been subsequently ruled illegal; he has also concealed the existence of this unlawful program of spying on American citizens from the people and all but a few of their representatives in Congress, even resorting to outright public deceit.†Most legal scholars agree that Bush’s warrantless eavesdropping program is not just an impeachable offence, but a felony as well. ”
Your president has committed an impeachable felony in the opinion of most legal scholars according to John Bender at Etherzone.com.
Well, For Enforcement, I would love to see your superannuated reactionaries take to the streets to demand a few treason trials.
And your opponents take to the streets to put you in your place.
America just might find itself too anarchially divided to dare bring its
anarchy to the Middle East.
http://antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=1928
Further, Congressman Ron Paul explains above why you are wrong
in claiming the Congress had no pre-war responsibility regards
dissecting the phony intelligence.
Look, you were talking about laws and Constitution, Congressmen’s opinions have no standing in law. Congress has no requirements on disecting or not disecting intelligence, phony or not, pre-war or post war.
Just because you would like for something to be against the law, doesn’t make it against the law. Wishing your Pepsi were a Coke will not make it a Coke.
Mckinney you referred to is a muslim and doesn’t understand America’s laws any better than French Muslims do.
You are trying to get around saying what section of the Constitution was violated. That was your premise to begin with. Just cut and paste from the constitution, linking to fruitcakes opinions won’t cut it. Conservatives don’t take to the streets. That’s the progressives that pull those shenanigans. You’ll learn a little more about America as time goes by.
You need more instruction in American constitutional law, just ask.
You really don’t understand US law very well do you? At least you write as if you are unfamiliar with it. Quoting some of those fruitcakes that you do from the liberal rags , I guess we can’t expect any more from you.
Hey French Muslim guy
in that link you gave to Congressman Pauls comments, he said:
“There was a precise reason why the most serious decision made by a country – the decision to go to war – was assigned in our Constitution to the body closest to the people.”
He makes the same mistake you did, so it’s not just French guys that have problem with reading comprehension.
See right there where he clearly says – the decision to go to war – was assigned in our Constitution to the body closest to the people.. Well it wasn’t. Congress only has the right to declare war, not to make a decision on whether or not the country goes to war. The difference is day and night. If you disagree, cut and paste from the constitution where it even mentions ‘ a decision to go to war’ Congress has no right to decide on whether to go to war, only to declare war if they choose to, and even that’s not ‘required’.
As I said, quit relying on those liberal rags for your dis-information and just ask when you need a lesson, Be glad to help out. See, you’re learning already.
So just repeat after me. This is America, we go by the laws, not by peoples ‘opinions’ especially America Haters.
Got that?
For Enforcement is a student of Derrida without even knowing it,
redefining words at his caprice. Why not?! If McKinney can be a Moslem, Congress does not have the pivotal duty of “DECIDING” whether to go to war or not . For Enforcement’s attitude is the crux of the problem , not his word play , of course. An attititude of passivity in which he believes conservatives would never take to the streets.
Indeed Russian conservatives amassed in the Moscow streets
this past weekend. Oh, but FE refers to the moribund American
variety, so deserving of the Iraqi defeat they are getting. (Of course
I fell bad about being glib here, knowing how the Iraqis are suffering.)
Actually FE, Congress abrogated its Constitutional duty also in 1913
when the Federal Reserve Act shifted responsibility for its overseeing money supply directly. Nothing new here.