May 29 2012
Zimmerman’s Snap Alibi Comes Back To Bite Him
More news is out on the Trayvon Martin case, and it will be a test for all those ‘open minds’ who have decided Zimmerman is innocent in his killing of an unarmed 17 year old boy who was simply out walking and talking to his girlfriend. The news confirms my suspicions that Zimmerman was the aggressor (not someone defending himself) and is guilty of at least manslaughter (if not 2nd degree murder).
Zimmerman’s past includes well documented incidents of his hot temper and his desire to be Enforcer of The Law (which sets him apart from those who look to law enforcement as a profession – versus the ego trip). Zimmerman has all the signs of wanting to be better than others and prove his superiority. His gun is not protection, but a crutch to his ego. I have seen his type too many times not to notice all the parallels. Age and experience do count at times.
Zimmerman is also an easy liar – as he did in court when he apologized to the Martin family and claimed he thought Trayvon was much older (hinting he thought Trayvon was in his mid 20’s). Of course Zimmerman forgot he told the 911 dispatcher he had made Martin to be in his late teens when he went stalking the kid – supposedly because he looked ‘suspicious’. That ability to spew a falsehood to save his skin is an indicator, something not to be dismissed or overlooked. If that is part of his core nature, a lot of good people have probably put their faith in someone who does not deserve it.
After the incident it was clear no one immediately knew of witnesses nearby and the ear-witness on the phone with Martin (listening up to seconds before his death). George Zimmerman was especially ignorant of these people who could easily challenge a quickly concocted alibi.
As I noted before, Zimmerman’s statements are inconsistent. He claims to get out of his truck to find street names or house numbers, but then finds himself behind buildings where there are neither. He acknowledges being told to stay away from Martin until police arrive, but then somehow gets to a point behind buildings where he is ‘jumped’. Except the ear-witness on the phone hears Zimmerman talking to Martin. Clearly he was not ‘jumped’ once a dialogue is engaged.
All this led me to predict the case would be built around the ear-witness and holes in Zimmerman’s statements to police which will prove him to be untruthful (at best). Now the prosecution has confirmed my prediction:
“Defendant (Zimmerman) has provided law enforcement with numerous statements, some of which are contradictory, and are inconsistent with the physical evidence and statements of witnesses,” the prosecutors said in their court filing.
They said the statements by Zimmerman were admissible in court and “in conjunction with other statements and evidence help to establish defendant’s guilt in this case.”
Emphasis mine. Note how both testimony of witnesses AND physical evidence combine to prove Zimmerman lied in his statements to police about what happened. And why would Zimmerman lie? Because he knew he went beyond the bounds of lawful activity in stalking, confronting and killing Martin. He believed with all his twisted mind he had found a burglar in his community, and he was going to make sure this one did not ‘get away’. He was wrong. Plain and simple. No racial issues, no gun rights issues. Just one person who was probably the wrong person to be armed and playing sheriff.
The evidence must be pretty damn good, or else the prosecutors would not want to keep out of the public square. The defense will not have a chance to try this part of the case in the news media. And in fact, the defense is already starting to cede ground:
In a separate court filing on Thursday, Zimmerman’s lawyer Mark O’Mara joined in the motion to keep his client’s statements out of the public eye for the time being.
“There is the possibility that these statements may be subject to motions to suppress, if there is a potentially involuntary statement elicited from Mr. Zimmerman,” O’Mara said.
Clearly the defense has realized some of Zimmerman’s own words are going to convict him, so now they have to try and keep those words out of court. Not likely to happen, but not surprising when your case is in this kind of hole.
So all those open minds who have acquitted Zimmerman based on partial information are challenged to prove they can learn as more information becomes available. Here is a challenge to show how justice must work, even when our first impressions are wrong. Actually, the hardest part is making the change when our first impressions are wrong. But that is the sign of wisdom and fairness.
And once again, RT beclowns himself by claiming that hearsay is not allowed in trials.
Hey RT…you might wanna spend a little time studying up on the FRE (Federal Rules of Evidence) regarding hearsay and the no less than 24 exceptions that allow hearsay to be admitted:
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/hearsay-evidence.html
I would also recommend that you study the Florida statutes regarding hearsay testimony as well because, lo and behold, there are 24 exceptions there that allow hearsay testimony as well:
http://law.onecle.com/florida/evidence/90.803.html
24 Exceptions! That’s a helluva long way from “not allowed”, eh?
Dayum dood!
If, by this point in your life, you don’t realize that there are multiple conditions under which hearsay is allowed then there is no hope you ever will.
You really are comfortable in your ignorance aren’t you?
It’s okay though. I come from the Ben Franklin school of thought. I plan to make you uncomfortable so that you will be motivated to educate yourself and make yourself better.
You’re welcome.
Too easy, RT. BGG had to correct you about the cell phone, the cell logs with times that had been released, the 7-11 visit and the fact the police were obtaining the security video, the fact that neither Martin’s father or his girlfriend fiance were at home when all this happened, and your statement that Dee Dee had “heard a gunshot” in her phone call.
There’s five or six statements right there that I knew were wrong when I read your comment. Didn’t want to bother to correct you since I was reading/lurking. Figured you’d catch up with the news eventually. But I did notice that BGG came in to straighten you on on the thread AJ posted about the Dooley case.
Then there was BGG’s attempt to educate you on who actually brings the criminal charges on the “Peek at Evidence” thread … which would be the DA’s office in the appropriate jurisdiction, not the PD. This was the reason the PD publicly said that charges were not initially filed. From day one, the primary investigating officers have labeled their PD report as a manslaughter and unnecessary death. At that point, they had not dealt with the cell’s dead battery, and were totally unaware that the dead teen had been on the phone up to a minute approx before his death, and for basically the duration. Nor were they in possession of the more complete evidentiary overview they have now. That’s only happened because the State’s office reopened the investigation. The DA felt there was not enough evidence at with just the Sanford PD’s investigation to challenge Zimmerman’s version. More digging was necessary.
Then, of course, there’s the “hearsay” correction in this thread. You do cling so to Dee’s testimony as being inadmissible because you label it as “hearsay”, and BGG has had to direct you to the exceptions for that… not to mention try to keep you within the United States. Doesn’t matter that Dee was in a different county. In fact, most of the witnesses haven’t “seen” anything… they can only speak of what they have heard.
That’ brings us to somewhere about six corrections, right?
That’s only BGG. When I linked to the Lowe case, and pointed out that their Castle Doctrine laws mirror Florida’s, even now you don’t “get it”. Instead, you made a bold and totally unsubstantiated statement that Lowe had continued to stab Manning. Now maybe it’s difficult for you to understand that the law doesn’t work on emotions … and most especially these self defense cases. If you can’t figure out that where Zimmerman should be extremely nervous about decisions like Dooley and Lowe (and that’s only a couple mentioned…), then feel free to believe this is a slam dunk for Zimmerman because you think that Martin was a bad kid, if you so choose. But you might find yourself sorely disappointed in legal reality. But apparently you are incapable of understanding “reasonable and perfect defense”, so I hardly think you are in the position to explain whit to me, guy.
Speaking of legal realities, there was your resistance to O’Mara, Zimmerman’s own attorney, pointing out that it was clear that both GZ and his wife were aware they had “significant” funds and were not upfront with the court. How was it you put it? You said I “blew” that point because it was invalid? Zimmerman’s wife was the one who may have perjured herself in courtroom itself, but Zimmerman and his wife exposed themselves not in the courtroom, but on their recorded jail cell phone calls. By the time the prosecution submitted the 251 recorded calls as additional discovery, Zimmerman had to come clean with his own attorney. O’Mara must be pulling his hair out. First GZ doesn’t tell him about the website, then doesn’t come clean about the funds. I have to wonder if the parents, who had to use their house as collateral when GZ could have paid it all himself, are so thrilled about that non disclosure as well. What a nice son… letting them put their house on the line for no reason.
Then, of course, you falsely accused me of “jumping” on Zimmerman’s prescription drugs. Hardly… but if you all want to play the TM drug use game to question judgement and decisions, you’ll have to include Zimmerman in there as well. After all, he’s the one who chose not to stay, or return to his car, who continued to walk thru the neighborhood – armed and breaking all rules for neighborhood watch organizations – for a guy we’re supposed to believe he was afraid of, and ultimately whipped out the gun. I’d say if you want to talk about impaired judgment, Zimmerman isn’t going to look so good.
The point is, RT, that you like to accuse some of not being informed, when quite frankly you’ve pretty much demonstrated to be behind the eight ball quite often here. Honestly, after reading your faux pas throughout all these threads, I thought it was hilarious when you condescendingly told me I was “very un-informed on the subject” and that I should “do a little reading and basic research.” Whoa there, Nelly Belle.
It’s no major big deal when you learn something new. No one is up to the minute informed on everything, RT, so it’s good when someone can add some facts and links to the information mix. I hadn’t heard the full audio statement of Dee to the DA’s office until you mentioned it. Despite your insistence that I was the unformed “new guy”, and that it was linked in the past threads, it wasn’t. You simply bee ess’ed your way thru that to drive home your condescension.
BTW, the only difference between being downright insulting and being smug and condescending is the choice of words utilized. So please don’t tell me what a polite and respectful commenter you are. And spare me your extolling of your intellectual virture. I believe the history of threads in this subject alone, easily accessible thru archives, makes that the joke of the day.
Bottom line, sometimes it’s just gracious to take an informational and legal update that is offered by others – even if it conflicts with your passion for Zimmerman’s innocence – and apply it to your future analysis, RT. Rather sad to see you in self defense mode all the time, simple because you get caught with your knickers down.
Ouch Mata,
That one left a mark. I don’t think you and BGG are evenly matched here…
BTW, when people are so wedded to their views they cannot even admit the corrections they had to eat (and you nailed a good number of RT’s mistaken original assumptions) they will be in denial even after GZ goes to jail convicted of manslaughter (which is were he is heading).
My feeling has been from day one this guy lies all the time – to himself and others. He has been caught in much worse misstatements than his silly bond hearing status. When he made up his excuse on the fly after shooting TM, he took no time to think it all out. And not knowing the girl was on the phone listening has him screwed.
If this case is open and shut, it is not on GZ’s side.
To your questions, RT
He and Martin fought. Never a question on that. When you finally figure out that the 2nd degree murder charge has three issues that the prosecution must prove, which I explained way back on April 13th, you’ll know that who threw the first punch, or what Martin’s personal persona was like, has less to do with what will determine GZ’s guilt or innocence than whether his decisions and choices showed an utter disregard for human life, and whether his choice to use a gun was an unreasonable and imperfect defense… or an overkill response to the situation.
Totally irrelevant, to the crime, nor is Martin under any obligation to walk in a Florida night at the speed you think he should. But being as I lived in Florida for 18 years, and still visit family annually, I can tell you that rain there comes in spurts, fits and with a fury, I’ve spent quite a bit of time waiting for squall lines, winds and storms to pass thru before carrying on with my journey. I believe that Dee also mentioned that he waited out the rain as well. It’s not unusual that you head out for a 15 minute errand when it’s dry, and find yourself stuck with waiting out Florida’s huge.. and I do mean huge… raindrops. I live in Oregon where rain is also common. But it’s nothing like Florida’s rain and dramatic weather. It’s not called the lightning capital of the Americas for nothing.
Oh my… you need to way slow down in your reading of the 183 pg evidence docs, RT. I’m quote tempted to toss out a “do some basic research” to you, but truly would like to get away from such nonsense.
So why were the headphones in the pocket? The more important question is who put them there. Pull up your PDF of the evidence dump, and follow the bouncing ball along as to the multiple references to the headphones in the reports. According to two officers arriving on the scene, they were in “near proximity” and “next to him” that night.
p16
While Martin was in the process of being transported to the ME’s office, I noticed the items that were collected for evidence was a bag of skittles, an Arizona ice tea can and headphones. I also observed Sgt. Ceisla recover an empty bullet casing in the grass after Martin was recovered from the scene.
P17
The victim is described as a younger B/M, in his teens. I observed a single gunshot wound to his chest. I observed a package of Skittles in the front pocket of the victim’s sweatshirt. I observed a can of Arizona iced tea and a pair of earphones in close proximity to the victim’s body. Scattered nearby, I observed a flashlight, cell phone and car keys with a small flashlight.
p20
The Volusia County Medical Examiner’s Office arrived on scene and began to examine and move the victim. The victim had $ 40.151n US currency, a bag of skittles candy, a red 7·11 red lighter in his pockets, headphones next to him. and a photo pin on his sweatshirt.
Evidence List:
p22
One (1) red “711/1 brand name lighter, photo button, bag of skittles, and headphones. and collected from with in the victim’s pockets.
p 31, 45, 51, 58, 66, 75, 82 (restated what is on page 22)
p80 (restated what is on page 20)
Personally I wouldn’t be obsessing much over the headphones being in the pocket, as mentioned by the evidence list. Most especially since two officers on the scene saw the headphones near or next to the body, not in the pocket. The evidence list is made out later, while the notes of what was observed are on the spot.
Now if you think you’ve seized upon something to imply that the cell call with Dee was done with before the scuffle, you’ll have serious conflict with the call log records. While we couldn’t see the seconds on the limited call records of Dee’s phone (prosecutors, no doubt, have the detailed versions with durations to the second), the call supposedly lasted four minutes, and the incoming call log states Martin’s call from Dee came in at 7:12pm. That makes it 7:16 when it ended, give or take seconds.
The officers arrived on the scene at 7:17pm. Per that timing, the entire scuffle, post the words exchanged, lasted a minute or less, and jives perfectly with the girl’s account that the call ended when the scuffle began. Prior to that scuffle, multiple witnesses, including the girl, heard voices/arguments etc. Therefore any GZ version of his story that says he was jumped for behind will be in conflict, just as AJ notes.
So when toxicology reports don’t support your talking points, you prefer to ignore them? Martin was not intoxicated on anything that night. Nor would it matter. Martin isn’t on trial. Zimmerman is. Weren’t you trying to tell me that you aren’t “impugning” Martin’s character in order to justify Zimmerman’s innocence? Tsk tsk….
Probably because they weren’t home, as BGG schooled you on so long ago. Secondly because Greene’s rental unit was the last building to the south end of that walk thru path, which goes between the rear of those buildings. The carports for Green’s unit, located on the eastern side of the path and the complex, have frontage on the eastern leg of Retreat View Circle that runs N-S. If they entered thru the closest gate from the east of the complex – where Oregon Ave runs N-S on the eastern complex boundary – they never would have passed the site of death. Try looking at a map. Oh wait… BGG pointed that building on that thread as well….
LOL, AJ… perhaps I should have left a bit of Neosporin for the verbal wound, eh? Sorry… but the invitation was there. Couldn’t resist.
I agree that the Zimmerman devotees are setting themselves up if the jury doesn’t go their way. Doesn’t much matter, tho. The jury has the say, and if the defendant wants to appeal, that’s the way the process is set up. But I have no doubts the spin and excuses will fly if he’s convicted on even a lesser charge.
BTW, AJ… my answers to RT’s questions are in moderation, when you get a chance. Please and thank you.
Mata, first let me just state that you having or choosing to quote BGG for anything is a sad state of affairs for you. There is nothing that person has written or stated that resembles truth and reality. I’d appreciate it if you would just refrain from using that person as a source. Anyone that judges what that person thinks is reality has some real judgement problems. If you want an example, just read his latest soliloquy just above and then use it for toilet paper.
Say what? “Zimmerman’s prescription use of Adderall and Temazepam – both classified as drugs with high potential of abuse and having an extreme yo yo effect on the body – may actually have bearing when examining any effect on GZ’s choices that evening. ”
Did you, or did you not say that Zimmerman’s prescription drug use? Where is your ‘proof’ that he used any prescription drugs? The fact that he has a ‘prescription’ for anything can not have any effect on his body. Only drugs that are consumed may do that. Some people realize that there is a difference. I recently had a prescription written for hydrocodone when I had some dental work. I still have 100% of the pills in the bottle they came in. How much do you think they affected my actions?
All of the stuff you attempt to refute is so easy to do: just a simple example: “the fact that neither Martin’s father or his girlfriend fiance were at home when all this happened” I stated that the police came to the site and remained there conducting an investigation until after 3 AM the night this occurred. Martin’s father and girlfriend stated that they came back home at 10:30 PM. So for at least 4 1/2 hours there was all the commotion going on that goes with a crime scene just a few feet outside their door and his son wasn’t home. Wouldn’t you have been just a little curious what the circus was about? So just how was what I said ‘disproved’? the police evidence log shows the pictures and samples collected after 3 AM that morning. Your proof that it wasn’t?
“There’s five or six statements right there that I knew were wrong when I read your comment. Didn’t want to bother to correct you since I was reading/lurking.” listing a few items that you have a difference of opinion on does not invalidate my opinion. In fact, I see very little that I agree with you on in your long rambling and just because you choose to spend a lot of time rambling and quoting does not add substance to your argument.
My opinion remains that you are very un-informed on the subject of TM and GZ and are trying to get up to speed in order to make a good intellectual argument. Your problem is you jumped to a conclusion that very few or no persons believe in and no amount of unsubstantiated argument can change any of the true facts.
I also find it interesting that you choose to spend so much of your ‘argument’ time on me personally and not on the subject. just one example: “The point is, RT, that you like to accuse some of not being informed, when quite frankly you’ve pretty much demonstrated to be behind the eight ball quite often here.”
kinda reminds me of: “If you don’t have the law, you argue the facts; if you don’t have the facts, you argue the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, then you argue the Constitution”
only in your case it would be re-written “If you don’t have the law, you argue the facts; if you don’t have the facts, you argue the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, then you launch a personal attack”
I notice you didn’t bother to answer my questions earlier. I didn’t expect you to.
Mata, I find it humorous that you apparently value AJ’s statement about leaving a mark. His thinking that you’ve made a valid argument about anything you’ve said does not improve his stature very much. He is just as wrong about the TM/GZ case today as he has been from day one. So far though, he does have two devotees, you and BGG. That’s it. Nobody else buys his argument, or yours. Sorry.
The only serious likelihood from this case is a dismissal of all charges at the June 29( or whenever) hearing and perhaps the censure of the prosecutor for malicious prosecution. She has no serious case.
RT, of course I answered your questions. Patience, grasshopper. AJ must bail it out of moderation.
Speaking of behind the eight ball, the revelation of GZ’s prescriptions was in Zimmerman’s three page medical records and reported by ABC New mid last month.
Sure… lots of people pay for prescriptions and don’t use them… LOL. His medical history and this combo of drugs is likely one of the things O’Mara is referring to on the GZ Legal site when he says,
No problem, RT. My validation of analysis or self doesn’t pivot on a herd mentality.
While you’re waiting for AJ to bail out my answers to you questions, I suggest you go take a closer look at the map that AJ posted on his”FL Domestic Shooting Case Bad Omen For Zimmerman” thread, and have a gander at where Greene lives in the complex. When you’ve figured that out, head over to Google Earth and pull up the complex map. The closest entry is the gated entrance at the SW. They come into that gate, take a right and they are right in front of their building and carport.
The crime scene is at the north end of the tee by two more buildings north and on the opposite side. Not only would they have never passed the crime scene, they may never be aware of what was going on over a football field distance away from their back yard.
Wanna revise that “a few feet outside their door” observation, Sherlock?
‘scuse me. Meant that the closest entrance to the Greene home is the gate at the SE area of the complex. Sorry for the typo.
Mata, late to the game again, I provided a link to all that way back in the beginning, it is about 70 yards from where the death took place to the Greens apartment. (basically just outside the door) flashing lights, etc. most football fields are 100 yards long. now I realize you are in a different reality, but every time blue lights are flashing on my street, even in the day time, I know it. At 10;30 til 3 AM even more so. re-hash again. Would you please say something we don’t all already know. Yes, we all know about google earth and how to look up things. we all know where the community is, the -11. we don’t need a primer on the internet.
I see you don’t have the facts so you’ve started ‘name calling’ again. From your initial remarks I’d guessed you to be in your 60’s or so, I’ve since revised that downward by about 55 years.
Is name calling a trait you learned over at FA? or is that why they ran you off?
Try again, RT. Google Earth has distance measurement tools. Even if you used the REAR of the first northern unit’s back door to the walk thru path in the southernmost building on the east side, it’s 103 to 109 yards to the site of death (which was noted by one as being by the tree near the tee in the path).
News flash. That’s over a football length, last time I looked.
Talk about late to the party… I repeat, would you like to revise your “a few feet outside their door” observation? Or would you like to now parse your ill informed observations as over a football length as fitting your description of “a few feet”.
So you were there and know how many people were tromping around a crime site with lots of parked cars running their “flashing lights”, eh?
And how would you know the police kept their emergency lights flashing for over seven hours? All that “commotion” you insist happened is likely to only be a select couple of people since they tend to keep pedestrian traffic out of a crime scene to avoid contamination. And I doubt they were using bull horns, or were disrespectful to those that lived in the area by creating a “commotion” with unnecessary lights and noise at that hour.
If Martin and Greene came in the gate that is located right by their home, parked in the front and went in, they may have no idea anyone was up in that area. You are clueless as to whether there were flashing lights at the hour they came home. You don’t know the layout of the condo, where their bedrooms were located in that building. And you are clueless to simple tools available that so easily debunk your BS. What you are doing, again, is desperately demeaning other parties with irrelevant babble, merely to try and support what you believe is Zimmerman’s unquestionable innocence.
Quite simply, Martin and Greene have nothing to do with Zimmerman’s actions that evening. Or Martin’s. Pathetic straw man.
I was “run off” from a place where I’m one of the authors? Desperate. Just busy. But temporarily amusing myself in between with you for awhile. Relax… I bore easily and shooting fish in a barrel can only be exciting for a short time. But I’ll keep in mind that you’re so hypersenstive as to consider “Sherlock” name calling…. LOL
Actually, the police evidence log shows nothing of the sort.
The log indicates the date and time that the officers completed their reports but does NOT assign a time to evidence collection. Of course, there were photos made in the daylight the next day (2/27). Surely, that’s not what you’re referring to.
Here’s a link to the 180 plus pages of evidence that has been released:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=120698339
Feel free to demonstrate what is there that supports your idea that a) the “pictures and samples” were collected after “3am that morning” as you contend and b) that there were “blue lights” flashing anywhere in the neighborhood at the time that Ms. Greene and the elder Martin returned from dinner.
Finally, please cite any and all sources which would support your idea that said flashing blue lights (if there were any) would have been visible through two rows of houses (one facing Twin Trees, the second facing Retreat View). Does flashing blue light have the magical ability of passing through walls during the month of February in Sanford, FL?
Also, I keep seeing you making a big deal about the headphones being inside the pocket. You do realize that a) Investigator Serino states that they were laying beside the body and that b) cell phones can be used with or without headphones installed right?
Finally, I cannot help but be amused at the way you brushed right past the whole hearsay thing after I demonstrated your woeful lack of knowledge on that topic. Not even a cursory effort to try and defend your point about hearsay?
Heh! Can’t say that I blame you.
“You are clueless as to whether there were flashing lights at the hour they came home.”
So they took those pictures without flash at 3 Am.?
“I was “run off” from a place where I’m one of the authors? ” I don’t know why you were run off, I was only asking.
So you don’t think name calling when you don’t have anything significant to say is important? it illustrates that you have run out of facts and are resorting to alternative ways to prove your arguments.
You are still beating that dead horse about how Zimmerman’s prescriptions impacted his actions, but you fail to prove that he took any medications. The fact that some lame stream media reported that a prescription was written is not evidence that he ever took any. That brings up another interesting point. Why do you quote the MSM on anything? Have you ever known them to be impartial on any material fact?
Mata: I’m gonna surprise you here. I surrender. I went over to flopping aces and read several of your most recent posts and I didn’t find anything that I disagree with (you hadn’t written anything about the TM/GZ case, that I saw)
So, while I’m still gonna say that you are wrong (in my opinion) on this event, I’m gonna give you credit for being correct almost always.
I am a Navy veteran (before your time) and a conservative. So keep on being wrong on this, that’s what this country is all about and I’ll still admire your views on most things American.
I’ve also lived in Oregon at one time, but am in Louisiana now.
But you need to disregard BGG. He’s not of your quality of person.
Now that right there is funny ladies and gentlemen.
Mr. RT is passing judgment on my “quality” as a person simply because I’ve been running circles ’round him since I started posting on this particular topic.
Notice how RT doesn’t address or refute arguments even when repeatedly prodded?
Notice how RT is unable to actually cite facts that support his positions even when challenged?
Instead, he just stomps his feet, declares his position “right,” and anyone who disagrees is “wrong” as if that response would be adequate enough to alter reality.
It’s strangely amusing how ignorance works.
Thank you for taking the time to get to know me a bit better, RT. Unfortunately, of late, constructing my link intensive posts for Curt has been a luxury of time I haven’t been able to afford. I’m lucky if I can get some blog reading in, and dash off a few comments here and there. I admit, you got me on a blog longer in the past few days than I’ve been for a while. LOL There’s a part of me that misses the regular interchanges.
I would welcome a debate truce, and simply say we agree to disagree INRE the evidence, and what will actually be important at a trial. In the long run, neither you or I have anything to say about it. It’s in the hands of the prosecutors for the most effective presentation of their respective sides, and a decision by the jury.
Many conservatives I know are split on this, but I’m forever surprised as to how heated and emotional this case can make so many.
I’ll tell you the only reason I’m paying much attention to it. Personally, I don’t care about Zimmerman or Martin. From what I’ve read about both, neither would get an invitation to my Thanksgiving table. But what I do see about this case is pressure on SYG, concealed carry, and a nosey, nanny Congress sticking their nose into state SYG laws with federal legislation. I’m a maniacal RKBA person, and I see this case – if presented wrong by both the defense and the masses – as a way to take down these laws, infringe on the states’ rights, and Zimmerman will be held up as a reason for more stringent (likely intrusive) personal criteria on concealed carry permits.
Therefore it’s important that this case never is presented as a quintessential example of how SYG should work, and Zimmerman should not be held up as the icon of a responsible concealed carry adult or lauded for his actions that night.
Frankly, I think many of us, and I believe AJ as well, just think that Zimmerman meant well in his “security” passions, but made some very bad decisions along the way that led to an incident he did not defuse when he could – and should – have, and then could not control. Unfortunately, when that happens, everyone involved pays a price.
AJ, just a heads up that my comment with answers to RT’s questions, submitted June 8, 2012 at 10:57 pm, is still in moderation. Would love to have it bailed out, as I’ve detailed the “headphones” mystery.
RT, this was “pre truce”, so in addition to the answers, I’ll apologize for a tone that I hope we’ve put behind us.