May 19 2008
Obama: Americans Must Do As World Says
Updated: added some text and diagrams
I know Obama is getting record crowds, estimated as high as 75,000 in Portland, OR. But is curiosity the same thing as support? Are these massive crowds going to vote en masse?
Obama is a draw, but is he selling liberalism like never before or are liberals simply coming out like never before? Given some of his more ludicrous statements one has to wonder how many Americans are ready for his hard core liberal stances:
Pitching his message to Oregon’s environmentally-conscious voters, Obama called on the United States to “lead by example” on global warming, and develop new technologies at home which could be exported to developing countries.
“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said.
“That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added.
SInce when is leadership kowtowing down to the world’s biases (usually generated by a malicious and liberal news media)? America is not killing the planet. As I noted in another post if you look at where the global warming IS, it is not over the American continents – it is over Asia where most of the human population lives.
What Obama is selling is not leadership. He is selling out America to international opinion.
Are we to gain permission from China or India on what our allocation should be for using our SUVs? Are we suppose to get permission from the UN as to when and how long we can set our thermostats to 72°? This is ridiculous.
I want to note that over at Gallup, as Obama’s lead against Clinton rises, he is going nowhere against McCain (who also believes in the myths of Global Warming).
McCain is going to use the Bush approach, which entails basically saying if you must believe in this then we’ll let the market decide how much CO2 each person and company will reduce. If people need some feel-good efforts to pretend they are doing something then fine – it is free country. But Obama’s plan to let the UN and World Court and public opinion dictate to American’s what they can or cannot do is just not going to win votes.
This is Obama showing off is inexperience again.
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After all those commercials that were on the air here in Pennsylvania (by a supporting union) that showed people at the gas pumps talking about Obama’s plan to “help people at the gas pumps”, now we see that we are back in the 70’s hearing “Jimmy Carter” Obama telling us “it’s over” .. there ain’t gonna be any help at the gas pump .. you should be happy you have a gas pump at all.
This is “change I can believe in” ??
Question of the day…
Heh:
“Were they handing out free granola?”
– Blogs of War, responding to the news reports that between 65,000 and 75,000 people were on hand for an Obama tent revival rally in Oregon on Sunday.
Caption: Democratic presidential hopefu…
Breaking (well sort of) story about Obama meeting secretly
with terrorist imam in Dearborn Michigan. Does this guy plan to
enslave America? It sure looks like it.
Here’s the link:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=83ED2F47-F870-4889-8CF8-998DC2764D72
or you could also go to
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/
Wake up folks, this is not your dream, this is your worst nightmare.
The only way John McCain could draw a crowd of 75,000 would be to show up at the Super Bowl to do a live Depends commercial.
Again, relying upon futures market trading, people putting their $$ where their mouths are pick Obama over McCain by 57% to 38%.
i know you have trouble thinking for yourself…but in the real world actions speak louder than words. it’s clear from the history of your posts that you like living in bush-world…where there is talk about not torturing, then torture, talk about warrants for eavesdropping then don’t get warrants, talk about states rights then ignore states rights, talk about fiscal responsibilty then spend money like drunken coke snorting awol air nat’l guardsman, talk about not nation building, then go nation building, and talk about getting the people who flew planes into our buildings, and then paying pakistan to protect them. obama is talking about leading by doing…leading by example…leading thru actions, not just the empty, hollow rhetoric that the current administration calls leadership. (the same empty rhetoric you all follow with blinders on) i realize this is a very foreign concept for those of you on the extreme far right.
but most importantly…i just love dave m’s feabile attempt at guilt by association. is this really the best you far right loonies can come up with? the money qoute from the article dave links to? “Qazwini has also met several times with President Bush and other elected officials.” so by dave m’s lack-of-logic bush plans to “enslave” america. wake up folks is right.
Interresting link Dave M. Kind of explains why BO seemed to react in an overly sensitive way on May 15 to President Bush’s comments on May 14. Anyone believe in coincidences?
“That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” Obama added.
My response: Yes I Can and that’s leadership.
[...] He Who Definitely Doesn’t Walk On Water in Oregon, pronouncing on Iran and Venezuela and environmental leadership. [...]
The “people” have no idea what Obama is saying. They aren’t listening. They are enthralled by his very presence. He is the second coming to them and the media is helping him feed the masses.
As soon as I have a voice in electing the “world leadership” then I will be willing to do as “the world” says. Who elects the members seated at the UN? Besides, it is not a legislative body, it is a diplomatic body. Functionally it is a graft distribution network.
Obama has no idea what he is talking about. By 2011 Social Security commitments are going to suck our government dry of funds. All your base are belong to Medicare.
wow…two of the far far right’s favorite tactics on display in the same blog…aj takes the MIS-REPRESENTATION angle…and turns leading by example into asking for others permission. and dave m. tries the GUILT BY ASSOCIATION angle by saying that because obama met once with the same fella that george bush has met with several times, obama must be a dangerous muslim ready to “…enslave america…” and then, like a cherry on top of a sundae, one of my favorite right wing extremists weighs in with the idea that anyone who listens to what actually is said, or is able to interpret the basic facts from a news article for themselves are “…enthralled by his very presence. he is the second coming to them…” i love this blog — it’s fun to watch the extreme right fringe groups make up their own reality.
Crosspatch:
The $2 Trillion (that’s $2,000,000,000,000.00) that our first offically retarded president has poured down the rathole in the desert (aka Iraq) would have funded Social Security for the next 75 years.
Oh well, it was sure money well spent. Dick Cheney’s Halliburton options increased in value from $250,000.00 to $8,000,000.00, so Dick the Draft Dodger profited to the tune of $1899.97 PER DEAD GI.
Heckuva job, Cheney!
What’s the matter Sooth, get stuck holding a short position on HAL?
Cheney’s incompetence and failure to perform due dilegence when Halliburton bought asbestos-related companies had HAL on the brink of bankruptcy. Fortunately, $27 BILLION in no-bid contracts, awarded with the unlawful influence of the Office of the Vice President, and of course, the fact that HAB has defrauded the government of Millions if not Billions, has HAL sitting pretty once again.
You call yourselves conservatives, but don’t utter a sound when well situated criminals steal our taxpayers’ dollars to line theri own pockets.
soothsayer…how much is that per deferment?
There is only one reason Obama wants out of Iraq. He wants to use the money for domestic projects. I find that thinking very short sighted, but it does sell to those who think something for nothing is a good deal. The “if only” crowd is not only adolescent, it is delusional. If only college were paid for by the rich I could go to a college of my choice, graduate with nothing to pay back, and be a success. No really if you get free college education, you get free education and what you do with it is up to you. Nothing more.
The “if only” crowd needs to grow up!
PS Thank you AJ.
Soothie, ask an Iraqi if that money was wasted. I don’t think the formation of the Arab world’s first real democracy, complete with party plurality is a “rat hole” at all.
kathie…there is only one reason obama wants out of iraq? i think your statement is a huge leap of logic not supported in any way by the candidates statements. if you opinion is based on faulty information, then it isn’t much of an opinion is it? research the entire issue….that’s what a grown-up would do.
crosspatch…i don’t think “real democracy” means what you think it means.
Obama wants out of Iraq because his party is desperate to lose the war to his radical muslim buddies and he knows their only chance of doing so is to win the White House.
Norm and Soothie,
this is a quote from your boy:
“It is wonderful to be back in Oregon,” Obama said. “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii,”
I can’t figure out if he thinks there is 57 or 58 or 59 states. one left to go, Alaska and Hawaii. sounds as if he thinks there is a state named ‘Alaska and Hawaii’
I question his grammar school education. I think I learned about the states by the 3rd grade.
For those wondering about the size of the crowd, they attended a concert with free food and drinks. Obama just happened to find the crowd and get in front of it.
I have found that if you just fly past norm and soothie it saves time and aggravation.
Does Obama want out of Iraq? Who knows, he says he does, but then he says he wants a strike force and then he says we can go back in blah blah blah.
The man says anything he wants and his cult following just drools and chants.
How exactly is Obama going to cut down gas prices? And if he has some idea, what is it and why hasn’t he offered up some legislation that might show us what he can do. He has been in the Senate for three years and has spent two of that running for president. He has nothing to show for that time.
The Saudis agreed to an increase in production, but prices still climbed today. And if we just run away from Iraq and that country collapses prices will only go higher.
I know that Obama will try to ride the anti war sentiment to the White House, but I for one am glad that Saddam does not have access to %125 a barrel oil.
redteam:
Not only does Obama not know how many states there are in the United States, he does not know where they are. He passed his looming loss in Kentucky off to the fact that Arkansas is closer to Kentucky. One of those “states in the middle” he calls it.
Maybe the Chosen One should look at a map, Kentucky shares a state with Illinois. Supposedly he is the Junior Senator from Illinois.Does he not know where he is from?
Norm and Soothie,
this is a quote from your boy:
“It is wonderful to be back in Oregon,” Obama said. “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii,”
I can’t figure out if he thinks there is 57 or 58 or 59 states. one left to go, Alaska and Hawaii. sounds as if he thinks there is a state named ‘Alaska and Hawaii’
I question his grammar school education. That was the muslim school, wasn’t it? I think I learned about the states by the 3rd grade.
For those wondering about the size of the crowd, they attended a concert with free food and drinks. Obama just happened to find the crowd and get in front of it.
Well one thing is for sure norm, Saddam was not a democratic leader and yet the left is still mourning his loss. But that is ok, different party, different rules, different standards. etc.
Besides, considering the fact that Obama is ready to kiss ass for the mullahs, what does he care about democracy?
Barack Obama’s views of how this country should be run are diametrically opposed to mine…couldn’t be further from mine. And his views are diametrically opposed to what this country has stood for since its inception: FREEDOM. Freedom from religious persecution, especially the religion of the Left.
And for soothie, check out these expenditures:
“You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:
Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us at $125 Billion A Year…
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.”
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.”
I am an advocate of the Bush Immigration plan, but these numbers tell an interesting story, no, soothie?
As for the crowds, it is the celebrity appeal. Like a rock star. But that does not mean he will win the White House.
Norm It is not my opinion that the dems want to get out of Iraq because they want to spend the money for domestic programs, it is a fact that I heard with my own ears. Right after Pelosi, Obama and others tell us what a great job our soldiers have done and how they support them, the next breath is how much money we are spending and we could have socialized medicine, college for everyone, help americans keep their homes and on and on. All you need to do NORM is listen. the dems are hoping we are a selfish, shortsighted people.
Weather you voted to go to war, as 87 senators did twice, the point is that we committed this country and it’s resources to the Iraqi people, the good, bad and ugly. In my world when you make a commitment you see it through to the end. Not only are the Iraqi’s counting on our honor, many other nations are watching to see if we can be trusted, if we are the weak horse, or if we are a nation of strength and determination, a nation of compassionate but bold people, a nation of honorable people.
Norm do you think that the list of democratic give aways can happen if we stay in Iraq, if we keep a robust military. The nations with such give aways have had to finance them by reducing their military. No military, no more wars. NORM listen to the democrat candidates. Their stump speech is a laundry list of what I can do for you. NORM it is a list financed by those who have money, the military, individuals and small businesses. Since when is it the governments responsibility to fund everybody’s perceived grievances with the money of a few. It is one thing to help the helpless it is another to promise everyone a college education.
Listen carefully NORM they say it in plane English, it’s a little nuanced because the concept is a little repugnant to many. But I’m sure you can you can interpret what is being said.
terrye…show me where one democratic leader is mourning saddams loss? just one. the different rule you refer to are different rules for factual basis…so called conservatives have none. if you have to lie to make your point, it isn’t much of a point is it?
Uh . . . Crosspatch . . . ask the 700,000 DEAD Iraqis if the money was well spent.
norm, The Democrats were completely on board … right up until the bullets started to fly. It was hilarious when two weeks into the war, journalists used the word “quagmire” for the first time. It was like the Peanuts cartoon where congress holds the football and once Bush is committed, they pull the ball away and he falls down.
Actually, true democracy is the cruelest form of government. It is pure mob rule. In total majority rule, nobody looks out for the minority. That is why we are a republic, not a democracy. Having the people vote on referendums for things defeats the purpose of a republic where the RIGHT thing to do may not be the POPULAR thing to do.
norm:
Well unless you expected Saddam to hang himself he would still be in power if you had your way. I have heard all sorts of little anti war people talk about how much better off the Iraqis would be if Saddam were sill in power.
But then again there would have been a coup right? and it would have gone like clockwork and been flawless?
or Saddam would have seen the error of his ways, stopped hiding illicit weapons programs, shooting at our planes and killing his people. A sort of spiritual transformation.
you people are like children.
and norm needs to read the Iraqi Liberation Act. He needs to read Zinni’s remarks to the Senate in Feb 2000, before Bush even became president. He needs to read the Senate Resolution that was passed giving the President authority to go into Iraq, that was Democratic Senate.
He needs to read UN Resolution 1441, calling on Saddam to comply with the United Nations. It took years to get to that point, and the Democrats were on board all the way.
Until was politically advantageous to bail. Too bad for those Iraqis who actually took us at our word.
The cost of the Iraqi war is only 4 percent of the national GDP. It’s the smallest percentage ever.
If 700,000 were killed, they were killed by the insurgents. Add over 1 million killed by Saddam. The Lancet Report is wrong.
700,000 were not killed. This silly number has been debunked time and again by all sorts of experts on both sides of the debate. There is no truth to it.
That is what I mean, the left is so dependent on bogus claims and propaganda that they are in no position to be questioning anyone else’s integrity.
Just think about how ludicrous that claim is. Where are these people? Who were they? There are no bodies, no evidence, no nothing. Just some bs that people like norm are silly enough to believe.
That is more than 100,000 a year. That is how many day? Think about it. It is stupid.
Soothie:
Are you really stupid enough to believe that lie? Honestly? You call the Bush administration liars and yet you come with a claim like that without an iota of evidence. This comes after years of claims by some people that 100,000 a year died because of the sanctions.
And here is Obama saying that Iran is stronger because of the war in Iraq. Oh yeah, if the US and the UN had just let Saddam get away with violating cease fires and kicking out UN inspectors and slaughtering his own people, I am sure that the mullahs would have been chastened.
children, you are like children.
Wow … just wow!
Iraq could have largest oil reserves in the world
I am so outraged at Barack Obama and all his buddies in the global socialist movement telling us what we have to do according to the “World Court, Euro’s, UN, a consensus…blah, blah, blah.
That alone is enough to rally the heartland troops and vote this clown down in November. WE ARE NOT A SOCIALIST COUNTRY and we will NEVER BE ONE.
Wake up America! Global socialists WANT this country to lose its soverignty. Want it to be brought “down to size”…so other countries may feel better about themselves, even though they are thugs and dictators who won’t even give FREE food to their injured and starving…
1865 was just a warm-up. We will NOT ALLOW Barack Obama et al to take over this country and turn it back into Europe. EVER. So bring it on. We are ready. Ya listening, soros?
I think John Kerry drew a crowd of 65,000 or so in Portland Or in 2004 didn’t he? He drew a crowd of 80,000 in Wisconsin (but, he had Bruce Springsfield perform….so that doesn’t count).
Portland Or is the next San Francisco. But, I’ll give Obama credit for being able to draw a huge crowd. Of course the Marxist anti-war protester usually draw an average of 75,000 protesters……so, I don’t really read too much into it.
About Obama and his demands for the rest of us?
Yeah, right…….
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Obama traded gas guzzler for hybrid in 2007
Now in Obama’s case, keep in mind that thermostat he allegedly keeps at 72 degrees is in a “stately” $1.65 million dollar home. Quite a house for four people, looks like each has their own garbage container in this pic. Funny, I don’t see a recycling bin. lol
And he dumped his Chrysler 300C for a Hybrid … in 2007.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/
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I heard some analyst say today that even though our economy and population had grown in leaps and bounds…..our energy consumption has remained faily steady. So, it seems we have conserved, and used technology to our advantage. So it seems to me that we have done a good job. I couldn’t find a quick reference to those stats (I’m sure some blogger will). But, I did find this chart of US energy consumption. Not much difference between 1980 and the last year on the graph (2003). You can view graphs here:
US Energy Consumption
http://wilcoxen.maxwell.insightworks.com/pages/804.html
I think Obama is about “doom and gloom” and “bad, bad America”.
Per unit of economic output (per dollar of GDP) we are the most energy efficient there is, I think.
And having the UN come here to talk about racism? BRING IT ON. One of the world’s most abusive groups thinks they can come here and tell us ANYTHING?
Get lost. But then again, you are just a great motivator for our heartland troops.
And Mark Lamont, we are not going to be called on the carpet BY ANYONE, you jerk. And that goes for you, too, Barack Hussein Obama.
Anti-American agenda, pure and simple. This is war. Serious war.
The reason Barack Hussein Obama wants us out of Iraq is because he
wants to hand the islamists a stunning victory. It is not complicated.
He cannot say what he really wants, US out of the Middle East entirely,
the destruction of Israel, and the islamic conquest of The West, because
that would break his taqiyya and it is not yet time to pounce.
Obama is still an islamist in hiding. He will not drop the taqiyya easily.
Steps along his road to one world sharia government will include letting
the islamists take back over in Iraq (he already said that fears of a
genocide happening in Iraq do not constitute a reason to remain),
allowing Iran and Syria to get workable atomic bombs, allowing the
destruction of Israel, and then very gradually suggesting to the Americans
that the way out of their difficulties is to embrace islam. Dar es Salam,
I believe they call it.
That’s his plan. Even the Left don’t get it. They think they’ll be allowed
to keep their alternate living arrangements, their drugs and music,
the crappy new world wines, and all the flowers of protest. In word NO.
They won’t be allowed any of that.
Imagine for a moment if President Bush became a muslim, then renounced
it and went back to Christianity. Every islamist in the world would brand
him an apostate and insist on the islamic punishment for apostasy,
which is quite severe indeed. Not a peep out for Obama, though he was
born a muslim and raised in madrassas but now claims to have converted
to Christianity. That makes him an apostate. But it’s quiet out there -
too quiet.
One part Kerry UN permission slip plus one part Carter appeasement mentality plus one part Gore global warming stupidity and you end up still with only a partial picture on this empty suit.